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I have Martone at 4th, but I think some of the recent criticisms of him are misplaced. Heard a lot of similar comments about lack of speed and pace when Brady Tkachuck was being drafted; so much so that many here were relieved Ottawa picked him at 4th.

Maybe Martone busts, but if he doesn't, he'll be an extremely rare type of player. Every team covets the big power forward with PPG (in their prime) upside.
 
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Martone's feet arent necessarily that slow but man he plays at suchhhhh a slow pace right now and it's a legit question mark for me

The skill and size are there and certainly I can imagine him becoming like a Stone/Perry/Tkachuk/whatever but there's risk there for me that I wouldn't be willing to take on at 2nd overall
 
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ello said:
Martone's feet arent necessarily that slow but man he plays at suchhhhh a slow pace right now and it's a legit question mark for me

The skill and size are there and certainly I can imagine him becoming like a Stone/Perry/Tkachuk/whatever but there's risk there for me that I wouldn't be willing to take on at 2nd overall
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This. It's a risk. When you have Misa and Hagens there also, I don't see the appeal.

He also doesn't play physical in a Tkachuk sense, he's more a tall, really high IQ and vision type player. Which is good sure, and he could pull together everything and be great. But he could also tend towards a Strome type...

Just risky. I'd pick him 4th and be hopeful if it came to that, but not higher. Or Eklund.
 
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If CHI or SJ gets #1=take Schaefer because neither team has a #1D who cancontrol the game ..Schaefer isxalrgit #1D and only 12-13of these in the NHL currently ..very hard to get...the titular #1Ds for all otger NHL teans maybe designated 1Ds but they cannot control the game..They arec2Ds assigbexxax1D minutesxrike but not realky that good and in many cases not that effective(see $9.5)..

Neither Sharks nor Hawks have such a dman to control the game.

However IF Buffalo gets the #1 they already have Dahlin,Piwer and Byrum in their d-corps...makes no sense to take Schaefer ...their obvious needs are better forwards ...

Maybe Buffalo woukd trade down or 2 slots...Hawks and Sharks could try trading up to get Schaefer.

If Buffalo trades down past SJ and CHI then forces SJvabd CHI to go after other needs..

SJ would target Martine as a winger for Celebrini or Smith...they have their top 2ccebters ..
Chicago woukd target Misa if they do not get Schaefer...Needcavkibe driver for thec2C (but maybevhevwill make linec2 better than Bedard does with kinec1).
Firgetxajitger shrimp inhalers...hevisvover-rayed..

Misa shoukd be the top CHI target after Schaefer....

No doubt about it.

If Chicagovdrafts 3rd ,I woukd target Desnoyers =another fit fo r2C..


If Chicago drafts 4th and Desnoyers off the board then switch to Martone as a powrr wibgercwith skills.. but I woukd first try to fill the 2C line driver need before taking Martone..
If Hawksxsonehow climb to finish 3rd last and drop 2 to 5th..then: IF Hagens was taken top 4 ,Hawks still get actop 4 target I see as a goidvfit..if Hagens slides to 5th...trade thepick down..


As far as I am concerned only thesec4 should be Hawks targetsvin the order I have them for any pick Hawksvhave through#5 ..

I woukd not take Hagens another shrimp) ..nor McQueen(a big power forward but who lacks pace and speed) ...maybe next I go to Frondell at C, or Carter Bear at wing.
 
I see a lot of Barkov in Desnoyers game.Not super flashy but does all the right things to help you win.I think at 2 you take Misa but after that Desnoyers deserves to be in the conversation.
 
Muffinalt said:
This. It's a risk. When you have Misa and Hagens there also, I don't see the appeal.

He also doesn't play physical in a Tkachuk sense, he's more a tall, really high IQ and vision type player. Which is good sure, and he could pull together everything and be great. But he could also tend towards a Strome type...

Just risky. I'd pick him 4th and be hopeful if it came to that, but not higher. Or Eklund.
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I get Kirby Dach flashbacks with Martone.. Big, tall, skilled, but gets f***ing drilled 2-3x per game and eventually ends up broken
 
I’d like a center if we don’t get Schaefer. I still see Bedard as a winger long term. Misa, Hagens, Desnoyers in that order.

I find myself strangely happy with Boisvert going forward as a center, much to my surprise. I’ve done a 180 on him.
 
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pvr said:
I’d like a center if we don’t get Schaefer. I still see Bedard as a winger long term. Misa, Hagens, Desnoyers in that order.

I find myself strangely happy with Boisvert going forward as a center, much to my surprise. I’ve done a 180 on him.
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Who wins more on Faceoffs Misa or Hagens? I know they are both very good in different ways but who is better at the dot?
 
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Who wins more on Faceoffs Misa or Hagens? I know they are both very good in different ways but who is better at the dot?
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Can’t find Hagens stats, but I believe he’s above 50%. Misa as of early January was above 54%. For comparison, Greene above 54% and Moore above 51%.
 
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giza said:
KD puts a premium on speed. They need goal scorers. They also could use some size but Misa with the wheels, the IQ and the goals scoring seems to have a skate up on the rest......which is not a knock on the rest.
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Misa isn’t small…listed at 6’1” and 185#.
 
These kids tend to develop. The hard part of scouting and drafting is that no one really can say for sure how much? Even the best scouts do mistakes if you want to called it that way. If Martone´s game looks slow right now it doesn´t mean it will always be that way. I´d say hockey sense is the most important part and work ethic is another thing I would look from young players. Are you willing to do the hard work to become better.
 
Mrfenn92 said:
So would you say your mostly miserable in your internet life?
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Sorry if pointing out this nonsense "You must be able to skate, etc" has proven untrue with the shit that Davidson has brought onto roster

Also the avoiding guys who aren't burners/etc appears to have cost Hawks chance at some pretty damn good talent

But hey we have guys like Paul Ludwinski, Martin Misiak and others who are so amazing instead
 
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Blackhawkswincup said:
Sorry if pointing out this nonsense "You must be able to skate, etc" has proven untrue with the shit that Davidson has brought onto roster

Also the avoiding guys who aren't burners/etc appears to have cost Hawks chance at some pretty damn good talent

But hey we have guys like Paul Ludwinski, Martin Misiak and others who are so amazing instead
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Everything is a complaint my man. Don’t the the hawks make you miserable
 
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Blackhawkswincup said:
Sorry if pointing out this nonsense "You must be able to skate, etc" has proven untrue with the shit that Davidson has brought onto roster

Also the avoiding guys who aren't burners/etc appears to have cost Hawks chance at some pretty damn good talent

But hey we have guys like Paul Ludwinski, Martin Misiak and others who are so amazing instead
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The poster said he puts a premium on it. He clearly does by the way he has drafted. Putting a premium on speed isn’t the same as saying it’s a must or a requirement.

I’m sure he also puts a premium on other things as well when the speed isn’t there. Especially in the case of these vets like leadership, reputation etc.

Also no where did I hear that he is completely against slower players. I’m sure he knows there is a role for them on this team even if the plan is to be mostly burners.
 
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Blackhawkswincup said:
Sorry if pointing out this nonsense "You must be able to skate, etc" has proven untrue with the shit that Davidson has brought onto roster

Also the avoiding guys who aren't burners/etc appears to have cost Hawks chance at some pretty damn good talent

But hey we have guys like Paul Ludwinski, Martin Misiak and others who are so amazing instead
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You do understand that veterans that KD brought in are just placeholders before prospects are ready to contribute!? Its difficult to find all burners with skill that are willing to come to rebuilding teams with not that great cost.

Also not all prospects hit and especially right away. We need to have patience and there are more promising prospects on the way that not. Hagel was a twener too until he wasnt. Forsling traveled a lot until he hit in Florida. Development isnt liniar for any prospect.
 
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pvr said:
Can’t find Hagens stats, but I believe he’s above 50%. Misa as of early January was above 54%. For comparison, Greene above 54% and Moore above 51%.
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Up to today Misa has taken 3.6 times as many face-offs as Hagens has taken and has won 4.3 times as many face-offs as Hagens has won. Hagens is at 44% face-off success while Misa is at 53%.
Hagens face-off % is not very good considering he's one of the oldest prospects available for the 2025 NHL entry draft. Personally I believe Misa's well rounded two-way game keeps him at center at the pro level while Hagens gets shifted to the wing.

Player Wins Attempts %

Michael Misa 481 914 53
James Hagens 111 251 44
 
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Kevin Musto said:
faceoff numbers in juniors rarely translate to the NHL
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I would rather have someone in juniors at 60% then someone at juniors at 48% and think thats gonna change come the NHL so yes actually in fact it does translate

Blackhawkswincup said:
Sorry if pointing out this nonsense "You must be able to skate, etc" has proven untrue with the shit that Davidson has brought onto roster

Also the avoiding guys who aren't burners/etc appears to have cost Hawks chance at some pretty damn good talent

But hey we have guys like Paul Ludwinski, Martin Misiak and others who are so amazing instead
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don't speak facts the drones pre-programmed to love every move will malfunction
 
newmanager said:
Up to today Misa has taken 3.6 times as many face-offs as Hagens has taken and has won 4.3 times as many face-offs as Hagens has won. Hagens is at 44% face-off success while Misa is at 53%.
Hagens face-off % is not very good considering he's one of the oldest prospects available for the 2025 NHL entry draft. Personally I believe Misa's well rounded two-way game keeps him at center at the pro level while Hagens gets shifted to the wing.

Player Wins Attempts %

Michael Misa 481 914 53
James Hagens 111 251 44
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This is not an apples to apples comparison since Hagens is playing at a higher level where players are older and more physically advanced.

Hagens is also almost assuredly a center at the next level. Two way game is extremely advanced for a player of his age and skillset. If faceoffs are going to be such a huge concern just let one of the wingers take the draw. Not being good at faceoffs does not mean you can’t play center
 
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