HF Habs: 2025 NHL Draft: Part II

[Nevins]

Carter Bear scouting report from FC Hockey.2025 NHL Draft Notebook: Westergard, Ryabkin, Bear & More.

Carter Bear will be a fan-favorite pest!

 

[SuzukiSZN]

Prokhorov’s 20th goal of the season. Only 1 game left before MHL playoffs.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Carter Bear scouting report from FC Hockey.2025 NHL Draft Notebook: Westergard, Ryabkin, Bear & More.

Carter Bear will be a fan-favorite pest!

That injury though.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Funny page I found on EP

Mustapha Lemieux - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Mustapha Lemieux, 2003-11-12 Testville, AUS Australia. Most recently in the Test-HL with Testville Pink Panthers. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[BeliveauFan4ever]

Was at tonight’s game with Michael Misa and Saginaw visiting Brady Martin and the Soo Greyhounds.

Misa scored his 60th and added an assist.
He had an ok game but can be better. Now at 128 points.

Martin scored twice and was a plus 3. Was the game’s second star. His season totals are now 33-37-70.

Vintage Martin on Soo’s 3rd goal. Dish out the hit then score. Must see.

OHL Highlights: Saginaw Spirit @ Soo Greyhounds Mar. 21, 2025 - Ontario Hockey League

NHL prospect Michael Misa scored his 60th goal, tying for fourth-most by a draft-eligible OHL player. Utah prospect Noel Nordh had a five-point night (2G, 3A), while Brady Martin scored twice, including the winner. Calem Mangone (2G, 1A) led Saginaw. The Soo clinched a playoff spot.

chl.ca

 

[Hannibal]

Was at tonight’s game with Michael Misa and Saginaw visiting Brady Martin and the Soo Greyhounds.

Misa scored his 60th and added an assist.
He had an ok game but can be better. Now at 128 points.

Martin scored twice and was a plus 3. Was the game’s second star. His season totals are now 33-37-70.

Vintage Martin on Soo’s 5th goal. Dish out the hit then score. Must see.

OHL Highlights: Saginaw Spirit @ Soo Greyhounds Mar. 21, 2025 - Ontario Hockey League

NHL prospect Michael Misa scored his 60th goal, tying for fourth-most by a draft-eligible OHL player. Utah prospect Noel Nordh had a five-point night (2G, 3A), while Brady Martin scored twice, including the winner. Calem Mangone (2G, 1A) led Saginaw. The Soo clinched a playoff spot.

chl.ca

We need this guy.

 

[badfish]

Was at tonight’s game with Michael Misa and Saginaw visiting Brady Martin and the Soo Greyhounds.

Misa scored his 60th and added an assist.
He had an ok game but can be better. Now at 128 points.

Martin scored twice and was a plus 3. Was the game’s second star. His season totals are now 33-37-70.

Vintage Martin on Soo’s 5th goal. Dish out the hit then score. Must see.

OHL Highlights: Saginaw Spirit @ Soo Greyhounds Mar. 21, 2025 - Ontario Hockey League

NHL prospect Michael Misa scored his 60th goal, tying for fourth-most by a draft-eligible OHL player. Utah prospect Noel Nordh had a five-point night (2G, 3A), while Brady Martin scored twice, including the winner. Calem Mangone (2G, 1A) led Saginaw. The Soo clinched a playoff spot.

chl.ca

Was Nick Bobrov and Marty Lapointe there lol

 

[Anardil]

Im calling it now:
Logan Hensler with CGY pick 11th oa

Ivan Ryabkin with MTL pick 18th oa

If those are the picks, I'll throw up in my mouth

 

[MasterMatt25]

If those are the picks, I'll throw up in my mouth

Ok with Hensler but Ryabkin yikes

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I am starting to really lean towards O'Brien/Desnoyers/Frondell and Martin/Carbonneau with our two first rounders but we are currently may not be in a position to draft any ot them imo.

O'Brien/Desnoyers/Frondell are my first choices as they would be incredible behind Suzuki as our #2 center. Much like Suzuki they have impressive IQ's and surprising skills as well as a 200 foot game. They are good kids with relatively high floors and high ceilings imo and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see O'Brien creep closer to the top where Desnoyers/Frondell are ranked. If any of them are available at the right spot I would strongly consider trading one of our firsts plus a prospect (Mailloux, Roy, Mesar, Engstrom etc) to acquire them. That might be a little steep to acquire Martin/Carbonneau but they are closing in on being my consolation prize if we don't get O'Brien/Desnoyers/Frondell.

I think Hughes should be aggressive in an attempt to secure Desnoyers, Frondell or O'Brien. O'Brien likely will come a little cheaper but I am not at all against overpaying with both of our firsts and even more if needed to acquire any of these three. We have a loaded pool as it is so we can afford to skim some of that depth to add 1 really meaningful piece even if it is not a value match on paper.

I don't think we would be able to pry Misa or Hagens (not sure I would really want Hagens)

 

[Toene]

The team that drafts Misa is going to be so lucky. He would be first overall in most years.

 

[Fuonki]

The team that drafts Misa is going to be so lucky. He would be first overall in most years.

It is rather tragic if you look at all the drafts since we drafted 1st overall and picked up Slafkovsky. 2023 Bedard, 2024 Celebrini, 2025 Schaefer/Misa, 2026 McKenna, 2027 DuPont. Every one of these players would easily be the most talented player we've had for 30+ years. Had we not lucked out on both Hutson & Demidov this rebuild of ours would easily be looking just as awful as Detroit's infamous Yzerplan

 

[HabsMD97]

It is rather tragic if you look at all the drafts since we drafted 1st overall and picked up Slafkovsky. 2023 Bedard, 2024 Celebrini, 2025 Schaefer/Misa, 2026 McKenna, 2027 DuPont. Every one of these players would easily be the most talented player we've had for 30+ years. Had we not lucked out on both Hutson & Demidov this rebuild of ours would easily be looking just as awful as Detroit's infamous Yzerplan

How is getting Hutson and Demidov considered lucky but if we won the lottery and drafted Bedard/Mckenna/Celebrini not be considered lucky? Guess what not a single successful rebuilding team did it without great luck. You either win the lottery or have a franchise player fall.

 

[Schooner Guy]

It is rather tragic if you look at all the drafts since we drafted 1st overall and picked up Slafkovsky. 2023 Bedard, 2024 Celebrini, 2025 Schaefer/Misa, 2026 McKenna, 2027 DuPont. Every one of these players would easily be the most talented player we've had for 30+ years. Had we not lucked out on both Hutson & Demidov this rebuild of ours would easily be looking just as awful as Detroit's infamous Yzerplan

Did you watch last night's game vs the Avs? Slaf still has lots of runway left in improving his game as is the case with many forwards his size. He is still raw and figuring a lot out every month. Hell, Bedard has been receiving a lot of criticism this year because his performance hasn't escalated from last year (albeit this criticism is silly).

I think at the end of the day when we can properly and fairly evaluate these picks in ~5 years, Slaf may very well be a better 1OA pick than Power and Lafreniere and maybe right up there with Schaeffer/Misa who are not in Celebrini territory in my opinion.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I am starting to really lean towards O'Brien/Desnoyers/Frondell and Martin/Carbonneau with our two first rounders but we are currently may not be in a position to draft any ot them imo.

O'Brien/Desnoyers/Frondell are my first choices as they would be incredible behind Suzuki as our #2 center. Much like Suzuki they have impressive IQ's and surprising skills as well as a 200 foot game. They are good kids with relatively high floors and high ceilings imo and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see O'Brien creep closer to the top where Desnoyers/Frondell are ranked. If any of them are available at the right spot I would strongly consider trading one of our firsts plus a prospect (Mailloux, Roy, Mesar, Engstrom etc) to acquire them. That might be a little steep to acquire Martin/Carbonneau but they are closing in on being my consolation prize if we don't get O'Brien/Desnoyers/Frondell.

I think Hughes should be aggressive in an attempt to secure Desnoyers, Frondell or O'Brien. O'Brien likely will come a little cheaper but I am not at all against overpaying with both of our firsts and even more if needed to acquire any of these three. We have a loaded pool as it is so we can afford to skim some of that depth to add 1 really meaningful piece even if it is not a value match on paper.

I don't think we would be able to pry Misa or Hagens (not sure I would really want Hagens)

I'm expecting all those players to go top 15.

We need Calgary to fall from 16th OA to at least 14th OA to get one of them. A couple of D will go among the forwards.

Schaefer, Misa, Martone, Hagens, Frondell, Desnoyers, Eklund, McQueen, O'Brien, Martin, Carbonneau, Lankovic, Mrtka, Smith and then Bear, imo, are the current top 15. Decide the order amongst yourselves.

Calgary's pick is currently 16. Getting down to 13th/14th would be hugely helpful.

 

[Fuonki]

Did you watch last night's game vs the Avs? Slaf still has lots of runway left in improving his game as is the case with many forwards his size. He is still raw and figuring a lot out every month. Hell, Bedard has been receiving a lot criticism this year because his performance has escalated from last year (albeit this criticism is silly).

I think at the end of the day when we can properly and fairly evaluate these picks in ~5 years, Slaf may very well be a better 1OA pick than Power and Lafreniere and maybe right up there with Schaeffer/Misa who are not in Celebrini territory in my opinion.

I've watched quite a lot of Slafkovsky this year, and based on pure talent alone I don't think Slaf approaches either Schaefer or Misa, and I don't think it's really a controversial opinion to have. Could always make a poll on the main board to see what people think if you disagree.

Of course Slaf is still very young and could still dramatically improve, but if you look up Slaf's skating stats on NHL Edge and compare them to any elite forwards playing similar minutes you can clearly see what's holding him up. There's essentially only three elite forwards in today's NHL with similarly awful skating stats, and those are Jason Robertson, Mark Stone and Matthew Tkachuk. All three have top of the league hockey IQ that Slaf would have to develop if he can't improve his skating. But we're venturing into an entirely different topic now.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I've watched quite a lot of Slafkovsky this year, and based on pure talent alone I don't think Slaf approaches either Schaefer or Misa, and I don't think it's really a controversial opinion to have. Could always make a poll on the main board to see what people think if you disagree.

Of course Slaf is still very young and could still dramatically improve, but if you look up Slaf's skating stats on NHL Edge and compare them to any elite forwards playing similar minutes you can clearly see what's holding him up. There's essentially only three elite forwards in today's NHL with similarly awful skating stats, and those are Jason Robertson, Mark Stone and Matthew Tkachuk. All three have top of the league hockey IQ that Slaf would have to develop if he can't improve his skating. But we're venturing into an entirely different topic now.View attachment 998018

Oh for heaven's sake...a poll on the main board of a site that overrates prospects but then slams them when they struggle as teenagers in the NHL? The hockey IQ fallacy with Slaf is so silly. His play is getting more and more creative and he's seeing the ice much better (still improving). As far as his skating speed, he's 20 years old.

His ES points per 60 minutes are higher than several more seasoned players with key roles like Stutzle, Byfield, Raymond, Larkin, B.Tkachuk, Jarvis and also higher than almost every top 3 pick in the last 5 years. He has so much more room to grow as well as he has such raw attributes. His bursts should improve as he gets stronger, continues to adust to his big frame and works on skating.

So yeah...I'd certainly take Bedard or Celebrini over him in a nanosecond as those two are at a different level in terms of prospects. I think Slaf will be better than Power and Lafreniere and may be in the same territory as Schaeffer or Misa when all is said and done. Slaf is just scratching the surface as his skillset and size combo are raw.

 

[Andrei79]

I've watched quite a lot of Slafkovsky this year, and based on pure talent alone I don't think Slaf approaches either Schaefer or Misa, and I don't think it's really a controversial opinion to have. Could always make a poll on the main board to see what people think if you disagree.

Of course Slaf is still very young and could still dramatically improve, but if you look up Slaf's skating stats on NHL Edge and compare them to any elite forwards playing similar minutes you can clearly see what's holding him up. There's essentially only three elite forwards in today's NHL with similarly awful skating stats, and those are Jason Robertson, Mark Stone and Matthew Tkachuk. All three have top of the league hockey IQ that Slaf would have to develop if he can't improve his skating. But we're venturing into an entirely different topic now.View attachment 998018

Now go check his Edge stats from last year.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I'm expecting all those players to go top 15.

We need Calgary to fall from 16th OA to at least 14th OA to get one of them. A couple of D will go among the forwards.

Schaefer, Misa, Martone, Hagens, Frondell, Desnoyers, Eklund, McQueen, O'Brien, Martin, Carbonneau, Lankovic, Mrtka, Smith and then Bear, imo, are the current top 15. Decide the order amongst yourselves.

Calgary's pick is currently 16. Getting down to 13th/14th would be hugely helpful.

We have lots of draft capital to move up a spot or two if need be. We just need to find a dance partner like Guerin did with Briere last year when they moved up a spot to take Buium.

I do however think that at least one of our 1st round picks will be in play to nab a current NHL top 6 center.

 

[Benstheman]

Is Martin seen as a top 6 C or more of 3C?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I've watched quite a lot of Slafkovsky this year, and based on pure talent alone I don't think Slaf approaches either Schaefer or Misa, and I don't think it's really a controversial opinion to have. Could always make a poll on the main board to see what people think if you disagree.

Of course Slaf is still very young and could still dramatically improve, but if you look up Slaf's skating stats on NHL Edge and compare them to any elite forwards playing similar minutes you can clearly see what's holding him up. There's essentially only three elite forwards in today's NHL with similarly awful skating stats, and those are Jason Robertson, Mark Stone and Matthew Tkachuk. All three have top of the league hockey IQ that Slaf would have to develop if he can't improve his skating. But we're venturing into an entirely different topic now.View attachment 998018

No idea what those stats mean but there is nothing wrong with his skating. Robertson on the other hand is slow as hell.

 

[Andrei79]

No idea what those stats mean but there is nothing wrong with his skating. Robertson on the other hand is slow as hell.

It's a measure of his speed during games. The thing is this year has been an outlier for him, likely due to the back injury. The precious two years he had above average numbers. So the posters point, which to be honest already was standing on shaky ground, is moot.

 

[le_sean]

It is rather tragic if you look at all the drafts since we drafted 1st overall and picked up Slafkovsky. 2023 Bedard, 2024 Celebrini, 2025 Schaefer/Misa, 2026 McKenna, 2027 DuPont. Every one of these players would easily be the most talented player we've had for 30+ years. Had we not lucked out on both Hutson & Demidov this rebuild of ours would easily be looking just as awful as Detroit's infamous Yzerplan

And we could have easily been stuck drafting Yakupov or Lafreniere. It goes both ways.

Anyways it would be a nice consolation to get a Brady Martin, Malcolm Spence or Carter Bear after passing on Ryan Leonard. The Top 6 needs a player with that type of tenacity.

 

[BeliveauFan4ever]

Is Martin seen as a top 6 C or more of 3C

I’ll say 3C or 3 RW.

I won’t rule out Top 6. Still a bit raw. The upcurve has more miles to go.

That and his robust style…that’s really what gets me.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Is Martin seen as a top 6 C or more of 3C?

3C is the safe floor for his upside IMO, he already has everything you could want for that role. He has enough tools to work with and desire to improve to be a 2C down the road, though, it's a reasonable ceiling. I certainly wouldn't bet against him.