Isn’t Celebrini under 6 foot? Smith too? The amount of chicken littles in here is crazy.
I think it's dreadfully obvious that Grier has little interest in forwards under 6'2" unless they have elite skill and punch above their weight, so to speak. Eklund, Celebrini, and Smith are the only long-term forwards that are average or below in height. Ostapchuk, Chernyshov, Musty, Halttunen, Graf (6'1"), Bystedt, Svoboda, Wetsch (very physical 6'1"), and Lund have a future as Sharks if they earn it. Zetterlund, Bordeleau, Gushchin, Robins, etc. did not.
I agree. I like the push for size, especially up front. Size matters
No, They are both 6 feet, but we still need to add some size. Cherny, Musty etc are all not gonna be part of the sharks core here or in the top 6. i figure minimum one if not 2 will come via free agency or more likely trade in the next 20 months. When this team is ready to compete, or a player needing a change of scenery comes available. Grier has been stacking the assets so if when an impact player becomes available, he should be able to compete with the best offers.
Cherny is going to make it here.
he has a great opportunity too. Still a long road ahead but its been a pleasure to watch him with Misa the last 18 games. I had him borderline top 15 talent coming out. That sunburn payed off.
I never said he wasnt, I was using an example as the previous poster mentioned cherny, musty etc. My point was not all these pieces are going to hit or be part of our core. some will move via trade if an opportunity rises, some will be on the team. Some will bust. No team is 90% plus homegrown.
I agree to an extent but I hope he doesn't get carried away and turn into hodge. Big = good, small = bad.
He's probably thinking my 3 key forwards are not heavy players. Eklund, Mack, Smith, and maybe Eklund is expendable in the right circumstance but if MG is building around those 3 in the top 6 he wants more size to compliment em. Smith might be the softest boi ever too, he's not about that life haha
Like I said, he clearly makes exceptions for high-end talent. Celebrini, Eklund, and Smith are high-end talent, and he wants to surround them with size.
Yeah I don’t think Martone over Hagens is an issue either. I would be a little irritated if it was Martone over Misa though.
I hope so. It's too early to pass judgement because hopefully these guys are just stop gaps or nothing but he's recently added :Giles, Ostapchuk, Desharnas, etc.
Giles was acquired for an overpaid backup. Deshairnais for a 5th in 3 years. Ostapchuk was a little more expensive but they got a 2nd with him too and it seems like the scouting staff likes him more than we do for better or worse. Feels like an overreaction to a few nothing trades.
"I hope he doesn't get carried away"
The fact it’s even a conversation based on coach speak that we hear every single year is an overreaction.
I have to find more “unorthodox” kinks.Given your work reveal a few weeks back, this comment is disturbing. Degen
Giles and Desharnais are not long-term pieces and really have no bearing on this conversation.
I don't mind the philosophy. I'm more concerned about the return for Zetterlund being underwhelming. But I'm willing to give Ostapchuk a chance though he didn't do anything impressive yesterday and it's possible even a late 2nd can be good enough to get us an overpaid player in a spot we may need. Could be a useful piece to bring in someone like Dougie Hamilton, who knows?
It's clear that Grier's pro scouts value Ostapchuk more than Zetterlund. If they are right in their evaluation, then they win the trade. If they aren't, they don't. The result of this trade is more of a reflection on the ability of the pro scouts, not on Grier'a trade valuation.
I don't think the 2nd round pick is irrelevant in their evaluation on this front but I do believe Ostapchuk is more relevant than the pick.
And specifically, Ostapchuk in ~3-5 years (plus a 2nd now) vs. Zetterlund in 3-5 years (plus a 4th now).
It's not irrelevant but it wasn't the point of the trade and I bet Grier would have done it without the 2nd if absolutely pressed.
Right, goes without saying.
