2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

[Grinner]

If the sharks end up with #1, take Schaefer and that's easy. If they end up #2, I hope they trade down to #4, and get a lot of value for that. Personally I like Misa and Martone over hagens, simply due to size. However, I fully expect they would get one or the other at 4 (likely Martone).

According to Examining the value of NHL Draft picks - Sound Of Hockey ,

the value drop from #2 to #4 is approximately equivalent to the #20 overall pick. Nashville owns three first round picks: likely a top 4, around #20, and around #30 along with two second rounders. I bet, if they have a clear target, they would be willing to trade one of those picks to move up and get who they want at #2. If the sharks dropped from 2 to 4 and picked up the #20 overall, they could have another very valuable asset to trade for a solid vet D.

This summer, Grier needs to earn his keep. He has dumped all the talent he has (Burns, hertl, karlsson, meier, granny, Blackwood, etc) and acquired all the future assets he could. (aside from some depth picks for guys like sturm, kunin, or ferraro). He now has to be in talent ACQUISITION mode. This means that he has to be looking to add legit NHL talents either through UFA or especially through trade, since SJ is NOT a desirable destination for UFAs. Trade mastery is how DW brought in Jumbo, Burns, Boyle, Karlsson, Heatley, Kane, Dillon, Jones, and many others. Some of those worked out better than others of course, but DW built the 20 year competitive roster through deft drafting and alot of big trades followed by resigning and retaining that talent.

Grier needs to begin to do the same to build the roster.

No. If we drop to two, there's still a very good chance Schaefer will still be available. If not, it's a no brained to take Misa. In this draft, late first round picks are nothing to get excited about

 

[sampler]

No. If we drop to two, there's still a very good chance Schaefer will still be available. If not, it's a no brained to take Misa. In this draft, late first round picks are nothing to get excited about

There is much disagreement even here on this board. A previous poster responded saying that no team is gunna trade up from 4 to 2. Your thoughts are that there is a big difference between 4 and 2. if another team thinks the way you do (schaefer may be available or Misa is a no brainer), they would be willing to trade up to assure one of those two players. Most mock drafts ive seen still have Hagens as #2 over Misa (remember: hagens was the clear #1 until schaefer vaulted up and Misa broke out).

I am thinking that a priority for grier this draft should actually be to use some draft capital to acquire a player like dobson or another mid 20's clear top 4 Dman. Adding 3 more 1st round talents (with pick 1-4, #25ish, and #33) is very attractive, of course, but I am OK with sacrificing some of that to look at building the roster for the next 5-7 years as well by solidifying the D. If they can get another major draft asset in the 20 range by simply dropping 2 spots from 2 to 4, I would strongly consider it. You may not value late 1sts, but Im sure thats not how the league sees it at all. Every year is different, but late 1sts definitely still have value.

Obviously, everything depends on the acquisition price for said defenseman. And of course what a team like nashville might be willing to pay to make that move, among other factors.

I just think that grier should be looking to play this draft strategically to add high end prospects while also building the roster of today and tomorrow.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

I think some of you guys are over thinking this. We will finish in last place. We will have a top 3 pick. We will use it to draft Schaefer, Misa, or Hagens. Any other outcome is extremely unlikely.

 

[Sharksfan66]

A decent way to spend eleven minutes if you have them to spare.

I think the craziest thing about Misa is that about 90% of his goals come from being within five feet of the net. He's so good at driving the crease and getting that stick ready to deflect a shot or push the puck past the goalie on the back door. He's the exact kind of player who would actually be able to take advantage of Smith's ridiculous passing, the way he does Parekh's in the OHL.

I'm at a point where I'd be equally happy with Schaefer or Misa, though we do need Schaefer more.

Love it. Thanks for sharing!

Question: if we get Misa, who would you move to the wing between him and Smith?

 

[Grinner]

There is much disagreement even here on this board. A previous poster responded saying that no team is gunna trade up from 4 to 2. Your thoughts are that there is a big difference between 4 and 2. if another team thinks the way you do (schaefer may be available or Misa is a no brainer), they would be willing to trade up to assure one of those two players. Most mock drafts ive seen still have Hagens as #2 over Misa (remember: hagens was the clear #1 until schaefer vaulted up and Misa broke out).

I am thinking that a priority for grier this draft should actually be to use some draft capital to acquire a player like dobson or another mid 20's clear top 4 Dman. Adding 3 more 1st round talents (with pick 1-4, #25ish, and #33) is very attractive, of course, but I am OK with sacrificing some of that to look at building the roster for the next 5-7 years as well by solidifying the D. If they can get another major draft asset in the 20 range by simply dropping 2 spots from 2 to 4, I would strongly consider it. You may not value late 1sts, but Im sure thats not how the league sees it at all. Every year is different, but late 1sts definitely still have value.

Obviously, everything depends on the acquisition price for said defenseman. And of course what a team like nashville might be willing to pay to make that move, among other factors.

I just think that grier should be looking to play this draft strategically to add high end prospects while also building the roster of today and tomorrow.

What major draft asset do you think we could score with another pick in the 20's?
Unless some one at 3 or 4 offers a deal that it's impossible for Grier to refuse, (don't holders your breath, . Real GM's dont post on HF) it's best to make the pick. It's best for now and the long run to do so.

 

[hockfan1991]

There is much disagreement even here on this board. A previous poster responded saying that no team is gunna trade up from 4 to 2. Your thoughts are that there is a big difference between 4 and 2. if another team thinks the way you do (schaefer may be available or Misa is a no brainer), they would be willing to trade up to assure one of those two players. Most mock drafts ive seen still have Hagens as #2 over Misa (remember: hagens was the clear #1 until schaefer vaulted up and Misa broke out).

I am thinking that a priority for grier this draft should actually be to use some draft capital to acquire a player like dobson or another mid 20's clear top 4 Dman. Adding 3 more 1st round talents (with pick 1-4, #25ish, and #33) is very attractive, of course, but I am OK with sacrificing some of that to look at building the roster for the next 5-7 years as well by solidifying the D. If they can get another major draft asset in the 20 range by simply dropping 2 spots from 2 to 4, I would strongly consider it. You may not value late 1sts, but Im sure thats not how the league sees it at all. Every year is different, but late 1sts definitely still have value.

Obviously, everything depends on the acquisition price for said defenseman. And of course what a team like nashville might be willing to pay to make that move, among other factors.

I just think that grier should be looking to play this draft strategically to add high end prospects while also building the roster of today and tomorrow.

I dont think there is a world anymore where Hagens gets taken over Misa. he continues to widen the gap. If he didnt play another game this season he is still ahead of Hagens. Sharks shouldnt be trading back from 2to 4 for a lotto ticket in the 20's, while also increasing your odds that your top 4 pick is less likely to pan out. They need the surefire best chance at the next corner stone piece. You take Schaefer or Misa and continue to build.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Love it. Thanks for sharing!

Question: if we get Misa, who would you move to the wing between him and Smith?

Probably Smith, but I would consider it to be a Thornton-Pavelski type of situation, where they both take strong-side faceoffs and sometimes Smith has the center duties, especially in the offensive zone.

 

[Star Platinum]

This is like saying “This perfectly even coin has landed heads in each of the 3 times I’ve flipped it, so I don’t consider the coin landing tails a really reasonable fear at this point.”

The only reason to fear the outcome of a coin toss is if Javier Bardem is betting with you on the outcome

At any rate, don't waste time worrying about what's out of our control. We can assure ourselves of being in the top 3 and we will get an incredibly skilled player.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

The only reason to fear the outcome of a coin toss is if Javier Bardem is betting with you on the outcome

At any rate, don't waste time worrying about what's out of our control. We can assure ourselves of being in the top 3 and we will get an incredibly skilled player.

Actually a great example.



I watched this video 3 times. It was heads every time. Now, if he walks up to me and asks me to call the coin toss, and I say heads, should I have no fear of it coming up tails?

 

[Star Platinum]

Actually a great example.



I watched this video 3 times. It was heads every time. Now, if he walks up to me and asks me to call the coin toss, and I say heads, should I have no fear of it coming up tails?

Run

 

[Jargon]

Actually a great example.



I watched this video 3 times. It was heads every time. Now, if he walks up to me and asks me to call the coin toss, and I say heads, should I have no fear of it coming up tails?

GUILDENSTERN: It must be indicative of something, besides the redistribution of wealth. List of possible explanations. One: I'm willing it. Inside where nothing shows, I'm the essence of a man spinning double-headed coins, and betting against himself in private atonement for an unremembered past.

(He spins a coin at ROSENCRANTZ.)

ROSENCRANTZ: Heads.

GUILDENSTERN: Two: time has stopped dead, and a single experience of one coin being spun once has been repeated ninety times ...

(ROSENCRANTZ AND GUILDENSTERN ARE DEAD — one of the best plays ever written).

 

[Jargon]

I was reading a bit about Hensler. He’d be an interesting guy if we keep the Dallas pick. If we get Schaefer, having him with Dickinson on the 2nd pairing would potentially make a really scary, giant, smooth skating shut down pair that can move the puck and put in some goals.

 

[Patty Ice]

I was reading a bit about Hensler. He’d be an interesting guy if we keep the Dallas pick. If we get Schaefer, having him with Dickinson on the 2nd pairing would potentially make a really scary, giant, smooth skating shut down pair that can move the puck and put in some goals.

Obviously that would be best case scenario with the Stars pick and the only reason I even want to keep it. However, I think it's very unlikely that Hensler makes it out of the teens. He may not be flashy but a really solid RHD with his pedigree is going to have his fans among the scouts. I just don't buy the narrative that he is in a free fall this year.

What I would do to secure him is try to package the Stars pick with our 2nd.

 

[Barrie22]

Who are the lower end defensemen that could possibly be at the stars pick that might fit just below Dickinson level or at Dickinson's level?

If we can leave this draft with a #1 defensemen and a potential #3/4, alongside Dickinson who could be a #2, that would and could turn the defensive woes up and quickly.

 

[STL Shark]

Who are the lower end defensemen that could possibly be at the stars pick that might fit just below Dickinson level or at Dickinson's level?

If we can leave this draft with a #1 defensemen and a potential #3/4, alongside Dickinson who could be a #2, that would and could turn the defensive woes up and quickly.

Not sure there are a lot of options in the just below Dickinson level for this draft. He'd probably be the 2nd D-Man off the board this draft after Schaefer (should have been that guy in 2024 but some teams got galaxy brained with the likes of Yakemchuk - can't skate and Parekh - smurph).

Think you'd be looking at the Hensler, Mrtka, Fiddler types with the Dallas pick - though probably need to move up if you want any of those guys as teams will likely draft size at a premium position (RHD) in a weaker draft as opposed to the generic 6'0 forward prospect with solid CHL numbers.

After that group, you're probably looking more 1 dimensional defense only types for the RHD group. Carter Amico, Peyton Kettles, David Bedkowski, and Max Psenicka (100% transparency just googling mock drafts, draft rankings, and scouting reports for these guys to make these conclusions - so someone that watches junior hockey can probably give more insight on these folks).

Those are all 6'3+ RHD projected in the top 2 rounds that I'd probably be willing to take a swing on if we get Schaefer and just need to add some size, defensive play, and toughness on the back end.

 

[Jargon]

Obviously that would be best case scenario with the Stars pick and the only reason I even want to keep it. However, I think it's very unlikely that Hensler makes it out of the teens. He may not be flashy but a really solid RHD with his pedigree is going to have his fans among the scouts. I just don't buy the narrative that he is in a free fall this year.

What I would do to secure him is try to package the Stars pick with our 2nd.

Yeah, I think I’d definitely package our 2nd and try and get him, he’s an interesting guy. If we come out of this draft with a defensive prospect core of Schaefer, Hensler, Muhk, Cagnoni, Wallenius, it would go a long way (I assume at some point we’d probably find a way to trade for another RD as well).

 

[Patty Ice]

assume at some point we’d probably find a way to trade for another RD as well

I still think Cagnoni's future is on the right side and it's encouraging to see they are playing him as that on the top pair for awhile now.

During the summer, I suggested they try him on the right side after this season once he got used to the pro game and size but he came out like gangbusters and is ahead of schedule (in my eyes).

The little fantasy of mine would be to see some variation of Schaefer-Cagnoni and BDE-Hensler as the future top 4

 

[NiWa]

Look - Cagnoni is a great story for us so far, so happy we got him (he was a late first on my draft board ranking-wise).

But off-side, first pairing? I suppose you mentioned "some variation of"...

 

[gaucholoco3]

Look - Cagnoni is a great story for us so far, so happy we got him (he was a late first on my draft board ranking-wise).

But off-side, first pairing? I suppose you mentioned "some variation of"...

Yeah I would put Schaefer and Hensler as the top pair in that situation and BDE and Cagnoni as the second pair. BDE has the skating and length to support Cagnoni.

Personally I think Cagnoni tops out as a #5 PP specialist. If he was on his off side I think he and Muk could be a good 3rd pair.

 

[Hodge]

How many of Cagnoni's 36 points have been on the power play? Like 30?

 

[gaucholoco3]

How many of Cagnoni's 36 points have been on the power play? Like 30?

Yeah it’s why I don’t think he is the best fit for the Sharks especially if they get Schaefer.

Would you rather Schaefer or Cagnoni running your top PP? This is a question some of the prospect experts can help answer. If Cagnoni can be PP1 over Schaefer or BDE then he would have value. If not then he won’t have value and is better being moved.

I think his career is destined to be on bad teams. If he is running your PP1 then the team doesn’t have a good enough #1D to be a contender. If he is not running your PP1 then he has no business on a contending team even in 3rd pairing minutes given his limitations 5v5.

 

[Patty Ice]

How many of Cagnoni's 36 points have been on the power play? Like 30?

25

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Cagnoni being a PP specialist would still be useful for the Sharks as a 26th ranked team. It depends on who is our pick and who is ready. Cagnoni should be considered given our current arrangement.

 

[Star Platinum]

How many of Cagnoni's 36 points have been on the power play? Like 30?

9G, 16A

 

[Lebanezer]

Yeah it’s why I don’t think he is the best fit for the Sharks especially if they get Schaefer.

Would you rather Schaefer or Cagnoni running your top PP? This is a question some of the prospect experts can help answer. If Cagnoni can be PP1 over Schaefer or BDE then he would have value. If not then he won’t have value and is better being moved.

I think his career is destined to be on bad teams. If he is running your PP1 then the team doesn’t have a good enough #1D to be a contender. If he is not running your PP1 then he has no business on a contending team even in 3rd pairing minutes given his limitations 5v5.

Can you elaborate on his limitations at 5 on 5?