2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

[Grinner]

If the sharks end up with #1, take Schaefer and that's easy. If they end up #2, I hope they trade down to #4, and get a lot of value for that. Personally I like Misa and Martone over hagens, simply due to size. However, I fully expect they would get one or the other at 4 (likely Martone).

According to Examining the value of NHL Draft picks - Sound Of Hockey ,

the value drop from #2 to #4 is approximately equivalent to the #20 overall pick. Nashville owns three first round picks: likely a top 4, around #20, and around #30 along with two second rounders. I bet, if they have a clear target, they would be willing to trade one of those picks to move up and get who they want at #2. If the sharks dropped from 2 to 4 and picked up the #20 overall, they could have another very valuable asset to trade for a solid vet D.

This summer, Grier needs to earn his keep. He has dumped all the talent he has (Burns, hertl, karlsson, meier, granny, Blackwood, etc) and acquired all the future assets he could. (aside from some depth picks for guys like sturm, kunin, or ferraro). He now has to be in talent ACQUISITION mode. This means that he has to be looking to add legit NHL talents either through UFA or especially through trade, since SJ is NOT a desirable destination for UFAs. Trade mastery is how DW brought in Jumbo, Burns, Boyle, Karlsson, Heatley, Kane, Dillon, Jones, and many others. Some of those worked out better than others of course, but DW built the 20 year competitive roster through deft drafting and alot of big trades followed by resigning and retaining that talent.

Grier needs to begin to do the same to build the roster.

No. If we drop to two, there's still a very good chance Schaefer will still be available. If not, it's a no brained to take Misa. In this draft, late first round picks are nothing to get excited about

 

[sampler]

No. If we drop to two, there's still a very good chance Schaefer will still be available. If not, it's a no brained to take Misa. In this draft, late first round picks are nothing to get excited about

There is much disagreement even here on this board. A previous poster responded saying that no team is gunna trade up from 4 to 2. Your thoughts are that there is a big difference between 4 and 2. if another team thinks the way you do (schaefer may be available or Misa is a no brainer), they would be willing to trade up to assure one of those two players. Most mock drafts ive seen still have Hagens as #2 over Misa (remember: hagens was the clear #1 until schaefer vaulted up and Misa broke out).

I am thinking that a priority for grier this draft should actually be to use some draft capital to acquire a player like dobson or another mid 20's clear top 4 Dman. Adding 3 more 1st round talents (with pick 1-4, #25ish, and #33) is very attractive, of course, but I am OK with sacrificing some of that to look at building the roster for the next 5-7 years as well by solidifying the D. If they can get another major draft asset in the 20 range by simply dropping 2 spots from 2 to 4, I would strongly consider it. You may not value late 1sts, but Im sure thats not how the league sees it at all. Every year is different, but late 1sts definitely still have value.

Obviously, everything depends on the acquisition price for said defenseman. And of course what a team like nashville might be willing to pay to make that move, among other factors.

I just think that grier should be looking to play this draft strategically to add high end prospects while also building the roster of today and tomorrow.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

I think some of you guys are over thinking this. We will finish in last place. We will have a top 3 pick. We will use it to draft Schaefer, Misa, or Hagens. Any other outcome is extremely unlikely.

 

[Sharksfan66]

A decent way to spend eleven minutes if you have them to spare.

I think the craziest thing about Misa is that about 90% of his goals come from being within five feet of the net. He's so good at driving the crease and getting that stick ready to deflect a shot or push the puck past the goalie on the back door. He's the exact kind of player who would actually be able to take advantage of Smith's ridiculous passing, the way he does Parekh's in the OHL.

I'm at a point where I'd be equally happy with Schaefer or Misa, though we do need Schaefer more.

Love it. Thanks for sharing!

Question: if we get Misa, who would you move to the wing between him and Smith?

 

[Grinner]

There is much disagreement even here on this board. A previous poster responded saying that no team is gunna trade up from 4 to 2. Your thoughts are that there is a big difference between 4 and 2. if another team thinks the way you do (schaefer may be available or Misa is a no brainer), they would be willing to trade up to assure one of those two players. Most mock drafts ive seen still have Hagens as #2 over Misa (remember: hagens was the clear #1 until schaefer vaulted up and Misa broke out).

I am thinking that a priority for grier this draft should actually be to use some draft capital to acquire a player like dobson or another mid 20's clear top 4 Dman. Adding 3 more 1st round talents (with pick 1-4, #25ish, and #33) is very attractive, of course, but I am OK with sacrificing some of that to look at building the roster for the next 5-7 years as well by solidifying the D. If they can get another major draft asset in the 20 range by simply dropping 2 spots from 2 to 4, I would strongly consider it. You may not value late 1sts, but Im sure thats not how the league sees it at all. Every year is different, but late 1sts definitely still have value.

Obviously, everything depends on the acquisition price for said defenseman. And of course what a team like nashville might be willing to pay to make that move, among other factors.

I just think that grier should be looking to play this draft strategically to add high end prospects while also building the roster of today and tomorrow.

What major draft asset do you think we could score with another pick in the 20's?
Unless some one at 3 or 4 offers a deal that it's impossible for Grier to refuse, (don't holders your breath, . Real GM's dont post on HF) it's best to make the pick. It's best for now and the long run to do so.

 

[hockfan1991]

There is much disagreement even here on this board. A previous poster responded saying that no team is gunna trade up from 4 to 2. Your thoughts are that there is a big difference between 4 and 2. if another team thinks the way you do (schaefer may be available or Misa is a no brainer), they would be willing to trade up to assure one of those two players. Most mock drafts ive seen still have Hagens as #2 over Misa (remember: hagens was the clear #1 until schaefer vaulted up and Misa broke out).

I am thinking that a priority for grier this draft should actually be to use some draft capital to acquire a player like dobson or another mid 20's clear top 4 Dman. Adding 3 more 1st round talents (with pick 1-4, #25ish, and #33) is very attractive, of course, but I am OK with sacrificing some of that to look at building the roster for the next 5-7 years as well by solidifying the D. If they can get another major draft asset in the 20 range by simply dropping 2 spots from 2 to 4, I would strongly consider it. You may not value late 1sts, but Im sure thats not how the league sees it at all. Every year is different, but late 1sts definitely still have value.

Obviously, everything depends on the acquisition price for said defenseman. And of course what a team like nashville might be willing to pay to make that move, among other factors.

I just think that grier should be looking to play this draft strategically to add high end prospects while also building the roster of today and tomorrow.

I dont think there is a world anymore where Hagens gets taken over Misa. he continues to widen the gap. If he didnt play another game this season he is still ahead of Hagens. Sharks shouldnt be trading back from 2to 4 for a lotto ticket in the 20's, while also increasing your odds that your top 4 pick is less likely to pan out. They need the surefire best chance at the next corner stone piece. You take Schaefer or Misa and continue to build.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Love it. Thanks for sharing!

Question: if we get Misa, who would you move to the wing between him and Smith?

Probably Smith, but I would consider it to be a Thornton-Pavelski type of situation, where they both take strong-side faceoffs and sometimes Smith has the center duties, especially in the offensive zone.

 

[Star Platinum]

This is like saying “This perfectly even coin has landed heads in each of the 3 times I’ve flipped it, so I don’t consider the coin landing tails a really reasonable fear at this point.”

The only reason to fear the outcome of a coin toss is if Javier Bardem is betting with you on the outcome

At any rate, don't waste time worrying about what's out of our control. We can assure ourselves of being in the top 3 and we will get an incredibly skilled player.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

The only reason to fear the outcome of a coin toss is if Javier Bardem is betting with you on the outcome

At any rate, don't waste time worrying about what's out of our control. We can assure ourselves of being in the top 3 and we will get an incredibly skilled player.

Actually a great example.



I watched this video 3 times. It was heads every time. Now, if he walks up to me and asks me to call the coin toss, and I say heads, should I have no fear of it coming up tails?

 

[Star Platinum]

Actually a great example.



I watched this video 3 times. It was heads every time. Now, if he walks up to me and asks me to call the coin toss, and I say heads, should I have no fear of it coming up tails?

Run

 

[Jargon]

Actually a great example.



I watched this video 3 times. It was heads every time. Now, if he walks up to me and asks me to call the coin toss, and I say heads, should I have no fear of it coming up tails?

GUILDENSTERN: It must be indicative of something, besides the redistribution of wealth. List of possible explanations. One: I'm willing it. Inside where nothing shows, I'm the essence of a man spinning double-headed coins, and betting against himself in private atonement for an unremembered past.

(He spins a coin at ROSENCRANTZ.)

ROSENCRANTZ: Heads.

GUILDENSTERN: Two: time has stopped dead, and a single experience of one coin being spun once has been repeated ninety times ...

(ROSENCRANTZ AND GUILDENSTERN ARE DEAD — one of the best plays ever written).

 

[Jargon]

I was reading a bit about Hensler. He’d be an interesting guy if we keep the Dallas pick. If we get Schaefer, having him with Dickinson on the 2nd pairing would potentially make a really scary, giant, smooth skating shut down pair that can move the puck and put in some goals.