2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

[JotAlan]

I'm starting to lean towards Misa first. I really like Hagens, but he is well below what I expected. I know a lot of people are desperate for a franchise defender, but given everything that's happened with Schaeffer so far, I'm still not convinced and I'm currently starting to have a hard time not choosing Misa first.
What impresses me most about Misa is that in addition to his high-level skill set, he has incredible versatility. He started the season flying low in goals and some skeptics said he created less than expected, but in reality it was the team that needed him to be more of a goalscorer, as the season progressed and his teammates started to score, he began to play more of a playmaking role, especially after Chernyshov arrived. Currently second in goals and assists in the league. What a player!
I believe he is the key piece to complete the Sharks attack. How insane will the next 10 years be with Celebrini, Misa, Smith, Eklund

 

[Kcoyote3]

For what it's worth, I've looked at some scouting evaluations of Chernyshov from before the last draft and everyone seems to think that his skating is good. I think it's just a consequence of being off the ice for so long and should resolve as he gets back in better shape.

It must be. The worst grade I could find was "average" pretty much.

He looks pretty fast here. Hopefully the injury didn't permanently compromise his speed.

He has the wheels. Grier even had said his skating was good. Hopefully will just naturally get better as he gets back into game shape. Good player though. Impressed with him. Reminds me of Mark Stone with how he moves (not great but workable) and thinks the game. Obviously the odds he actually gets to Mark Stone level of player are super low but he was a great find at #33.

 

[STL Shark]

I'm curious what gems we'll uncover with our likely 28th and 33th picks. Or will Grier move up from there to grab another Dickinson that falls on their lap?

Could maybe package and get into the 16/17 range, but I still expect to see one of those picks moved for NHL help next year.

 

[YUPPY 2 7 10 11]

I'm starting to lean towards Misa first. I really like Hagens, but he is well below what I expected. I know a lot of people are desperate for a franchise defender, but given everything that's happened with Schaeffer so far, I'm still not convinced and I'm currently starting to have a hard time not choosing Misa first.
What impresses me most about Misa is that in addition to his high-level skill set, he has incredible versatility. He started the season flying low in goals and some skeptics said he created less than expected, but in reality it was the team that needed him to be more of a goalscorer, as the season progressed and his teammates started to score, he began to play more of a playmaking role, especially after Chernyshov arrived. Currently second in goals and assists in the league. What a player!
I believe he is the key piece to complete the Sharks attack. How insane will the next 10 years be with Celebrini, Misa, Smith, Eklund

Donn't forget Igor Chernyshov and Michael Misa are teammates at Saginaw. If the Sharks take Misa, they'll have instant chemistry.

 

[Jargon]

Could maybe package and get into the 16/17 range, but I still expect to see one of those picks moved for NHL help next year.

I would truly be shocked if the Dallas pick isn’t moved for a youngish Dman.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I would truly be shocked if the Dallas pick isn’t moved for a youngish Dman.

I’m sort of expecting it to be packaged with the 2nd to move up and take someone like Fiddler but there should be options. I’m really hoping we sign Kovacevic to play with either Schaefer or Dickinson.

 

[STL Shark]

I’m sort of expecting it to be packaged with the 2nd to move up and take someone like Fiddler but there should be options. I’m really hoping we sign Kovacevic to play with either Schaefer or Dickinson.

My guess is it depends on whether they're able to add another 2nd for Ferraro.

I doubt that Grier wants to move 33 as there is almost always value there that falls. You can either get a guy that slides, or you can move it for potentially extra value to a team eager/desperate after Night 1.

I still think the most likely outcome is the Dallas pick is moved for immediate help. That look on Macklin's face losing Thursday night can't continue. With Smith looking better, you have to start establishing some winning culture very soon.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

My guess is it depends on whether they're able to add another 2nd for Ferraro.

I doubt that Grier wants to move 33 as there is almost always value there that falls. You can either get a guy that slides, or you can move it for potentially extra value to a team eager/desperate after Night 1.

I still think the most likely outcome is the Dallas pick is moved for immediate help. That look on Macklin's face losing Thursday night can't continue. With Smith looking better, you have to start establishing some winning culture very soon.

Maybe. I’d like them to prioritize improving the Sharks but I’m hoping it can be done without moving these picks.

 

[gaucholoco3]

My guess is it depends on whether they're able to add another 2nd for Ferraro.

I doubt that Grier wants to move 33 as there is almost always value there that falls. You can either get a guy that slides, or you can move it for potentially extra value to a team eager/desperate after Night 1.

I still think the most likely outcome is the Dallas pick is moved for immediate help. That look on Macklin's face losing Thursday night can't continue. With Smith looking better, you have to start establishing some winning culture very soon.

I think they use one of those picks but not both. Nemec makes too much sense.

Also the look on Celebrini’s face was more about his anger with himself as he made some mistakes that directly cost the team a win. That is the look of the captain next season.

 

[Zarzh]

My guess is it depends on whether they're able to add another 2nd for Ferraro.

I doubt that Grier wants to move 33 as there is almost always value there that falls. You can either get a guy that slides, or you can move it for potentially extra value to a team eager/desperate after Night 1.

I still think the most likely outcome is the Dallas pick is moved for immediate help. That look on Macklin's face losing Thursday night can't continue. With Smith looking better, you have to start establishing some winning culture very soon.

I don't know why everyone wants to be Buffalo so badly.

 

[Grinner]

I don't know why everyone wants to be Buffalo so badly.

???

 

[Zarzh]

???

He could almost be quoting the Sabres GM after drafting Eichel.

 

[Grinner]

He could almost be quoting the Sabres GM after drafting Eichel.

We'd be more like Buffalo if we just drafted talent then had to wait the better part of a decade for the kids to mature.

 

[Zarzh]

We'd be more like Buffalo if we just drafted talent then had to wait the better part of a decade for the kids to mature.

Buffalo didn't wait at all, Buffalo wasted Eichel by aggressively trading for young players instead of drafting them.

 

[Cas]

I don't know why everyone wants to be Buffalo so badly.

You mean managed by incompetents? No one is rooting for that.

Buffalo is not bad because they tanked too hard and "ruined" their prospects, they're bad because they're incompetent and their prospects were not as good as billed.

 

[Hodge]

Buffalo didn't wait at all, Buffalo wasted Eichel by aggressively trading for young players instead of drafting them.

They traded Zadorov, Compher, Grigorenko and the picks that became Colin White and Jeremy Roy for ROR and Lehner. They clearly won those trades.

 

[Grinner]

Buffalo didn't wait at all, Buffalo wasted Eichel by aggressively trading for young players instead of drafting them.

I see a team that's had a slew of young talent. I don't know if it's because it's being in Buffalo, management/ ownership or locker room dynamics that keeps them losers.

Frankly. They needed to do a better job surrounding him with veteran talent.

 

[Zarzh]

They traded Zadorov, Compher, Grigorenko and the picks that became Colin White and Jeremy Roy for ROR and Lehner. They clearly won those trades.

I swear you guys think this is a video game. They got 3 seasons of each player and could've made actual good picks. They also traded for Fasching and Kane.

 

[Hodge]

I swear you guys think this is a video game. They got 3 seasons of each player and could've made actual good picks. They also traded for Fasching and Kane.

3 seasons of Ryan O'Reilly + turning him into Tage Thompson is way more valuable than the careers of everyone they gave up combined. You can't assess the value of draft picks based on the pipe dream scenario of who they "could" have picked with 10 years of hindsight. The pieces they gave up for Kane and Bogosian have turned into fourth liners and third pairing defensemen.

Buffalo stinks because they sewered their relationship with their best player for no reason. A 1-2 center punch of Eichel and Thompson with Dahlin anchoring the blueline and competent goaltending would be the basis of a playoff team if not a contender.

 

[Zarzh]

3 seasons of Ryan O'Reilly + turning him into Tage Thompson is way more valuable than the careers of everyone they gave up combined. You can't assess the value of draft picks based on the pipe dream scenario of who they "could" have picked with 10 years of hindsight. The pieces they gave up for Kane and Bogosian have turned into fourth liners and third pairing defensemen.

Buffalo stinks because they sewered their relationship with their best player for no reason. A 1-2 center punch of Eichel and Thompson with Dahlin anchoring the blueline and competent goaltending would be the basis of a playoff team if not a contender.

Should have been. The easiest way to build a contender is taking advantage of teams who don't understand who they should pick, and there were far more of those 10 years ago than now.

Again, video game logic is assuming everyone is going to stay, will work well together, and will develop.

 

[Hodge]

Should have been. The easiest way to build a contender is taking advantage of teams who don't understand who they should pick, and there were far more of those 10 years ago than now.

Again, video game logic is assuming everyone is going to stay, will work well together, and will develop.

No, video game logic is delusionally believing all your prospects are going to work out so you don't need to trade draft picks for established NHLers.

 

[Zarzh]

No, video game logic is delusionally believing all your prospects are going to work out so you don't need to trade draft picks for established NHLers.

Smart teams draft well enough that they know their average pick will outperform expectations.

Dumb teams will use a draft pick value chart and be happy to get whatever NHLer every once in a while.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Smart teams draft well enough that they know their average pick will outperform expectations.

Dumb teams will use a draft pick value chart and be happy to get whatever NHLer every once in a while.

Are you seriously suggesting that good teams are completely home-grown?

 

[Zarzh]

Are you seriously suggesting that good teams are completely home-grown?

The extreme majority are mostly home-grown is an objectively true statement, especially when you mean long-term contention.

There are no contending teams built on remotely fair trades for NHLers, and fleecing multiple teams is far less replicable.

 

[Juxtaposer]

The extreme majority are mostly home-grown is an objectively true statement, especially when you mean long-term contention.

There are no contending teams built on remotely fair trades for NHLers, and fleecing multiple teams is far less replicable.

Yeah, the Florida Panthers definitely win the Cup without trading for Tkachuk. And the Knights would have without trading for Eichel. And the Avs without Toews. And the Bolts without Sergachev. And the Blues without O'Reilly. Definitely none of those teams were built on trades.