Red Sox/MLB 2025 Hot Stove - Mets land Juan Soto on 15-year, $765M deal

[CDJ]

Gross

Would improve the lineup but it’s just bad process.

 

[Midship]

Who else is left that you want them to sign?

I wanted Fried, I'll pass on overpaying Burnes or Bregman (Story 2.0).

I'd take Teoscar and Buehler on a short term deals.

The Red Sox pay people millions of dollars to identity those players. I'm just some dude on the internet.

 

[BradPark22]

The Red Sox pay people millions of dollars to identity those players. I'm just some dude on the internet.

All I'm saying is that Soto was the biggest target on the market for multiple teams, just because they failed to sign him doesn't mean they should overpay for what's left in free agency.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

FSG actually fooled Red Sox fans again hahahahaha when will you people learn? I said there was no chance Soto signs the minute it was rumored. Now FSG just not spending again after supposedly being willing to pay $700M to Soto? It's a f***ing joke.

The Red Sox pay people millions of dollars to identity those players. I'm just some dude on the internet.

"Told ya so! But I don't know anything."

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

Passan has the Sox out of the Burnes running

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

 

[ON3M4N]

And calling him a "3,4,5 starter" is a little disingenuous.

Tim Wakefield was an all-star and I don't think anyone would have said he's a top of the rotation guy.

 

[ON3M4N]

Houck and Crawford (and Bello) were starters their entire time coming up in the org, they were developed as SP. What on earth are you talking about?

Tanner Houck literally developed into an all star starting pitcher and you’re not even going to give credit for that apparently so what’s even the point of this discussion lmao

They’ve invested a ton into this pitching apparatus since Breslow has gotten here and people find it to be impressive. A ton of major league pitchers seek out one of our consultants (Kyle Boddy) facilities in the offseason to improve their game. We’ve added other highly regarded pitching minds outside of Breslow in Bailey and Willard. In the unlikely event Sasaki does come here the new pitching development machine will probably play a factor. It was the primary reason why Giolito signed here to try and rebuild his value.

I never said Bello wasn't. Again I couldn't care less about an all-star appearance because all it takes is a hot start for a guy to be an all-star 1 time. I'm not even saying Houck is a bad pitcher. You seem offended that I'm not praise him like he's so stud mega star. He's a very good pitcher. On a serious contender he's a #3 and so is Bello. Does that mean they can't get better? No, but if these guys were such great pitchers right now, we wouldn't be trading for anothers teams top pitcher or being in on every major front end starter in FA.

 

[yazmybaby]

Gross

Would improve the lineup but it’s just bad process.

If we wanted him, he would be signed by now.
I have a feeling he wants a longer term deal due to his age, at least 3 years.
With Duran/Abreu/Rafaela already in the mix and Anthony about the make the team at some point in 2025 and Refsynder signed, I do not see the fit.

 

[EverettMike]

Sox are headed to a very dangerous place with this fanbase: apathy.

They really better hope these prospects not only pan out but make them competitive quickly.

 

[CDJ]

I never said Bello wasn't. Again I couldn't care less about an all-star appearance because all it takes is a hot start for a guy to be an all-star 1 time. I'm not even saying Houck is a bad pitcher. You seem offended that I'm not praise him like he's so stud mega star. He's a very good pitcher. On a serious contender he's a #3 and so is Bello. Does that mean they can't get better? No, but if these guys were such great pitchers right now, we wouldn't be trading for anothers teams top pitcher or being in on every major front end starter in FA.

The point is that they’ve developed pitching talent over the last couple years. Like you saw where Houck was and you see where he is now, right? You’re acting like they haven’t done shit and that they still have the pitching development guys from the stretch of years where they produced 0 big league starters.

Thats not the case but if you’d like to pretend it is then be my guest. It’s just ill-informed.

 

[GatorMike]

 

[CDJ]

Tim Wakefield was an all-star and I don't think anyone would have said he's a top of the rotation guy.

Hilarious response to an accusation of being disingenuous, I’ll give you that

 

[ON3M4N]

The point is that they’ve developed pitching talent over the last couple years. Like you saw where Houck was and you see where he is now, right? You’re acting like they haven’t done shit and that they still have the pitching development guys from the stretch of years where they produced 0 big league starters.

Thats not the case but if you’d like to pretend it is then be my guest. It’s just ill-informed.

I never said that. I said if your going to use developing pitchers as your hook, you've got very few guys you can point to and none of them are aces....which would bolster the hook of pitcher development.

 

[quietbruinfan]

Houck should be a right handed setup man. He fades late in games and in seasons.

 

[CDJ]

I never said that. I said if your going to use developing pitchers as your hook, you've got very few guys you can point to and none of them are aces....which would bolster the hook of pitcher development.

They are literally partnered with the guy who owns Driveline baseball, arguably the most well known pitching development organization in the United States. They can point to pitching development. They’ve worked with and developed guys like Kershaw and Bauer. Bailey did great work in SF. Willard did strong work in Min.

Again, you can act like things haven’t changed on the pitching development from the last couple of years if you’d like! You’d just be ill-informed.

 

[ON3M4N]

Hilarious response to an accusation of being disingenuous, I’ll give you that

I don't think it's disingenuous at all. Was Wake a top of the rotation guy?

 

[ON3M4N]

They are literally partnered with the guy who owns Driveline baseball, arguably the most well known pitching development organization in the United States. They can point to pitching development. They’ve worked with and developed guys like Kershaw and Bauer. Bailey did great work in SF. Willard did strong work in Min.

Again, you can act like things haven’t changed on the pitching development from the last couple of years if you’d like! You’d just be ill-informed.

When did I say they didn't change? It's great that they're making all these efforts to improve the way they develop pitchers, its looks great on paper.....but if you're going to tout your pitcher development then show me.

If you want to pitch that we're trying to be the gold standard of pitching development in the MLB and we're going to do that by doing x,y & z. That's a completely different hook

 

[CDJ]

I don't think it's disingenuous at all. Was Wake a top of the rotation guy?

Mike is pointing to the development of a 27 YO into an all star as proof that what the Sox have going on is starting to bear fruit. You’re pointing to a gimmick pitcher who made the ASG at 42 for the first time. It’s not even close to the same thing.

 

[CDJ]

When did I say they didn't change? It's great that they're making all these efforts to improve the way they develop pitchers, its looks great on paper.....but if you're going to tout your pitcher development then show me.

If you want to pitch that we're trying to be the gold standard of pitching development in the MLB and we're going to do that by doing x,y & z. That's a completely different hook

Fortunately they don’t need to impress you!

For the record that’s Mayo calling their pitching development impressive not a team writer or anything

 

[Smitty93]

I'm really struggling with the idea of using trades to improve the team. I can understand it for something like catcher, where there's not a good free agent option, but barring another team doing something really stupid, I don't see how a trade, where you'd downgrade in one area to upgrade in another, is a better option than simply spending money on a free agent.

Yes, that free agent's going to be overpaid, and I don't really want most of them, but it will only cost them money, which they have plenty of. Money is a significantly more replenishable resource than players.

 

[ON3M4N]

Fortunately they don’t need to impress you!

For the record that’s Mayo calling their pitching development impressive not a team writer or anything

I never said they did LMAO

Mike is pointing to the development of a 27 YO into an all star as proof that what the Sox have going on is starting to bear fruit. You’re pointing to a gimmick pitcher who made the ASG at 42 for the first time. It’s not even close to the same thing.

You think Wake is the only guy to make an ASG one time because he started out the season hot lol. Again no issue with Houck, he's a good pitcher. You guys seem pissy because I'm not marveling over the greatness that is red sox pitcher development.

 

[Smitty93]

Sox are headed to a very dangerous place with this fanbase: apathy.

They really better hope these prospects not only pan out but make them competitive quickly.

:whispers: I think they're already there

 

[McGarnagle]

Tim Wakefield was an all-star and I don't think anyone would have said he's a top of the rotation guy.

Remember when Steven Wright made the All-Star Game?

Fortunately they don’t need to impress you!

For the record that’s Mayo calling their pitching development impressive not a team writer or anything

Jerod Mayo? He might walk those comments back

 

[CDJ]

Remember when Steven Wright made the All-Star Game?


Jerod Mayo? He might walk those comments back

If Jerod Mayo was calling our pitching development staff impressive I would be incredibly concerned about our pitching development staff lmao

I never said they did LMAO



You think Wake is the only guy to make an ASG one time because he started out the season hot lol. Again no issue with Houck, he's a good pitcher. You guys seem pissy because I'm not marveling over the greatness that is red sox pitcher development.

I’m not pissy I’m just telling you your perspective of their present-day pitching development machine doesn’t align with what most of the industry (players included) thinks at this point in time, that’s all. It’s just a fact. That’s why Mayo said it. Not many orgs are investing what they have been investing into pitching development the last couple of years and that’s a good thing because under Bloom and Dombrowski they were definitely deficient in that area. I think up until the last couple years they developed like 1 SP over the span of a decade and it was Doubront for a couple years. Terrible track record. Under Breslow it’s night and day though- Breslow/Willard/Bailey/Boddy should put us in a really good spot going forward in that regard. They’ve already turned 3 into bonafide big league starters.