Red Sox/MLB 2025 Hot Stove - Mets land Juan Soto on 15-year, $765M deal

[Morris Wanchuk]

They would definitely want value for taking on Yoshida, but I would be happy to oblige.

Or some retained salary?

 

[DKH]

I would not be against a Yoshida/Castillo deal. They you could move Raffy to DH and sign Bregman. Or keep Raffy at 3B and sign Hernandez

I actually believe a healthy Yoshida is the 23 first half guy

I think he has a very good season

B-U-T

I would move him but I’m guessing you have to add more like Crawford or Abreu

With Montgomery going and the flexibility and uber team friendly deal Rafaela signed my OF of now and future is

Duran
Rafaela
Anthony
Abreu

This should be very good and fan favorites- I’m not up for trading Abreu all things

Yoshida has 3 more years and if he stays that’s about how long I have Devers at 3B

Casas I’m not trading unless I have a monster return

He’s by all accounts a super nice person to people who approach and he’s quirky

I will lose it if they deal him for Castillo

 

[yazmybaby]

I want to go back to this tweet. Am I the only one who feels led astray by the "no other big names" report? I would absolutely consider Montgomery a big name.

The scouts have him rated a 60 overall, so he will make the majors, just a question how good he will be? We will have to wait 2-3 years as I cannot see him making his debut until 2027.
At 6'2 220 lbs, a rocket of an arm and proven college hitter, I would agree with you, he is a big name.

 

[DKH]

The scouts have him rated a 60 overall, so he will make the majors, just a question how good he will be? We will have to wait 2-3 years as I cannot see him making his debut until 2027.
At 6'2 220 lbs, a rocket of an arm and proven college hitter, I would agree with you, he is a big name.

If their present OF situation wasn’t what it is I don’t include him

Duran went from INF to OF

Seems like Campbell could do the same

 

[yazmybaby]

I will do Red Sox - hated the Cecil Cooper for George Scott trade (my all timer - and when I met Jim Rice 25 years ago I said I don’t want to bother you for an autograph I just went to say I’m still pissed about the Cooper trade. For a second he was processing it because he didn’t expect it, then laughed and gave me a ball at his insistence for my kid who was not there)

Hated the Reggie Smith deal to St Louis

Fred Lynn deal

Theo signing Mike Cameron

Hated not resigning Eovoldi & Wacha

Hated FA signings of Hanley Ramirez & Pablo Sandoval

Betts obviously

The Lester deal to Oakland

Hated Duquette deal of Jamie Moyer for Darren Bragg

Hated Ben ‘banana man’ Oglivie for washed up Dick McAuliffe

Hated the Jack Clark, Danny Darwin, and the Matt Young

Hated signing Kenley Jansen

Hated Sparky Lyle for Danny Cater. Lyle incidentally lived st the time in North Shore Gardens in Peabody - same time and place as Bobby Orr, Ross Lonsberry, Joe Watson, Eddie J, and trainer John Forrstall (Watson & Lonsberry went to Broad Street Bullies & won 2 Cups)

Bloom wasn’t a fan so most of his moves were not to my liking

I did like
Story
Vazquez & Renfroe deals because I knew he got good prospects
Sale deal - like Grissom
Whitlock rule 5

He lost me on Eovoldi & Wacha

trading Rick Burleson

Theo - signing Lugo hated

Schilling deal liked

Eckersley deal with Indians for Wise, Paxton, a 3B Cooper ? Guy who went 5/5 or something crazy

Hated Tony C deal for Doug Griffin & Tatum the reliever

Loved Pedro deal for kid from Dartmouth Rose & the other P name escapes

Loved loved midnight deal by Duke for Varitek & Lowe for that stiff Heathcliffe Slocunb

Hated Ken ‘the Hawk’ Harrelson for Sonny Seibert

Hated friend of DKH, John Tudor for Mike Easler

Hated letting Clemons go and signing Steve Avery & Shane Mack

Loved the Beltre & Victor Martinez signing

This is off top of my head probably 100 more

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
People forget that Boomer was a multiple gold glove winner.
You forgot the Nomar for Cabrera / Mientkiewicz trade that got us a WS and the Carney Lansford trade which I loved.
I wished we did not trade Reggie Smith either, he was a great player, as long as he was healthy.

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

Hmm ...

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

 

[DKH]

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
People forget that Boomer was a multiple gold glove winner.
You forgot the Nomar for Cabrera / Mientkiewicz trade that got us a WS and the Carney Lansford trade which I loved.
I wished we did not trade Reggie Smith either, he was a great player, as long as he was healthy.

It was off the top of my head lol

I’m a home grown core guy like what Bruins did, Celtics now, Sox in 60’s & 70’s….not keeping Betts, Devers, Bogearts, Benintendi seemed that but went haywire

Right now you got : Devers, Duran, Rafaela, Casas, Mayer, Anthony, Abreu, Campbell, Bello, Houck, Whitlock, crochet

Young core - keep it

If it’s for Casas get earplugs you will hear me

 

[EverettMike]

Who is the cheapest reclamation pitcher out there? That's who they will sign.

 

[KOZ37]

Who is the cheapest reclamation pitcher out there? That's who they will sign.

They already have him.....Michael Fulmer!

 

[CDJ]

It was off the top of my head lol

I’m a home grown core guy like what Bruins did, Celtics now, Sox in 60’s & 70’s….not keeping Betts, Devers, Bogearts, Benintendi seemed that but went haywire

Right now you got : Devers, Duran, Rafaela, Casas, Mayer, Anthony, Abreu, Campbell, Bello, Houck, Whitlock, crochet

Young core - keep it


If it’s for Casas get earplugs you will hear me

Speier threw water on the Casas-Castillo stuff thank god

 

[EverettMike]

Speier threw water on the Casas-Castillo stuff thank god

The report is they added Montgomery to the Crochet trade cause they got desperate after the Fried deal.

Can't rule out another stupid move made out of desperation.




I've turned into Randy Quaid in Major League 2.

 

[yazmybaby]

If their present OF situation wasn’t what it is I don’t include him

Duran went from INF to OF

Seems like Campbell could do the same

Agreed and we still have two decent OF prospects in Bleis / Garcia.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Has anything posted in this thread been correct in regards to the end result?

 

[DKH]

The report is they added Montgomery to the Crochet trade cause they got desperate after the Fried deal.

Can't rule out another stupid move made out of desperation.




I've turned into Randy Quaid in Major League 2.

Casas has 25 floor 40+ ceiling while driving up pitch counts and getting on base

It would be moronic to deal him without getting a haul /

He’s goofy but so what - give me goofy over some bleeping ahole who wants him moved because he doesn’t conform to their values, talks to much, Sun bathes in outfield while doing Pilates, planks, yoga - it’s not like he’s listening to Best of the 60’s getting a tan

#keepcasas

 

[Mr Cartmenez]

This better be a pure salary dump. What kind of value does Castillo have? Essentially none. He has declined for the past 2-3 years, has drastic splits away from Safeco and still makes over 20m for 2-3 WAR. Giving up Casas or Abreu would be laughable. Guys like that can still be bought for nothing but money from the market.

The report is they added Montgomery to the Crochet trade cause they got desperate after the Fried deal.

Can't rule out another stupid move made out of desperation.

Most likely considering the timing of the trade. Which also rules out Burnes.

This is what happens when you back yourself into a corner and teams know you are desperate. You have to overpay.

This off-season is shaping up to be worse than the last couple of years, which is hard to accomplish.

 

[EverettMike]

Most likely considering the timing of the trade. Which also rules out Burnes.

This is what happens when you back yourself into a corner and teams know you are desperate. You have to overpay.

This off-season is shaping up to be worse than the last couple of years, which is hard to accomplish.

Yup, no move is always better than a bad one.

I still can't believe we gave up both Teel and Montgomery for someone who is far from a sure thing. And for what? A third place roster at best?

 

[DKH]

Has anything posted in this thread been correct in regards to the end result?

Yes.

This thread is great. We have about 10 very passionate posters who as far as my view are top 10% discussing baseball

Excellent for a hockey board

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Has anything posted in this thread been correct in regards to the end result?

If the post is claiming the Red Sox are still cheap then yes.

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

 

[Morris Wanchuk]

Yes.

This thread is great. We have about 10 very passionate posters who as far as my view are top 10% discussing baseball

Excellent for a hockey board

We seem more negative than the general vibe on SOSH but I wouldnt have it any other way!

 

[Mr Cartmenez]

Yup, no move is always better than a bad one.

I still can't believe we gave up both Teel and Montgomery for someone who is far from a sure thing. And for what? A third place roster at best?

And over what? 1 year and 20m they bid less than the Yanks for Fried? That's what prospects are worth to them.

But one good year is obviously good enough to do a victory lap and declare Crochet an ace when he has never proven that even once in his career (Innings count as well).

If the post is claiming the Red Sox are still cheap then yes.

Of course they are. No first class franchise would have gone out trading assets for a player when there are still equivalent options being available for just money (and a draft pick). That's a terrible look. it's a move you'd expect from the mid markets of the league who put a lot of value in the fact that Crochet is only going to cost them 3m for the upcoming season, because they can't afford high salaries. The only way this should have mattered to the Sox is if they had already went way over the threshold and Crochet was the last puzzle to make them an instant contender. But somehow they are still like 50-60m under.

What these clowns are doing is truly shameful. Acting like they are heavily invested in getting a player like Soto is even more of a mockery. They had no shot at all and I doubt Soto even took them serious. Nobody without homer glasses ever thought he was coming here. Any real representative like Boras would advice against it. What did they even tell Soto? We are going to build a powerhouse by being interested in everyone and/or that we are going to reap the precious farm system that took years and lots of losses and last place finishes to build up?

Not even one player from the farm of the "rebuilding years" has made it to the majors yet and they have already traded some significant portions of it. That just doesn't feel right. What they are doing is buying cheap wins to get to 90 wins to be somewhat relevant and within the wildcard spots.

 

[gerrycheeversmask]

I'm good with that, as long as Casas becomes the full time DH/backup 1B.

 

[Smitty93]

Yup, no move is always better than a bad one.

I still can't believe we gave up both Teel and Montgomery for someone who is far from a sure thing. And for what? A third place roster at best?

This is the part that I have trouble getting over. If they had signed a top starter and a RH bat first, while maxing out payroll, I could understand this move. At that point, you'd have done everything else you could and a trade would be necessary to complete the roster.

As things stand, their period of contention isn't today. It's probably in 2-3 years when Anthony, Mayer, and Campbell are hopefully settled in (similar to how the timing of contention worked with Bogaerts, Betts, Devers, & Benintendi). Unless they were concerned about Teel and Montgomery losing significant value in the next year, I don't understand the need to make a move like this today (besides panic and desperation because Plan A, Plan B, etc failed first).

 

[Smitty93]

And over what? 1 year and 20m they bid less than the Yanks for Fried? That's what prospects are worth to them.

But one good year is obviously good enough to do a victory lap and declare Crochet an ace when he has never proven that even once in his career (Innings count as well).



Of course they are. No first class franchise would have gone out trading assets for a player when there are still equivalent options being available for just money (and a draft pick). That's a terrible look. it's a move you'd expect from the mid markets of the league who put a lot of value in the fact that Crochet is only going to cost them 3m for the upcoming season, because they can't afford high salaries. The only way this should have mattered to the Sox is if they had already went way over the threshold and Crochet was the last puzzle to make them an instant contender. But somehow they are still like 50-60m under.

What these clowns are doing is truly shameful. Acting like they are heavily invested in getting a player like Soto is even more of a mockery. They had no shot at all and I doubt Soto even took them serious. Nobody without homer glasses ever thought he was coming here. Any real representative like Boras would advice against it. What did they even tell Soto? We are going to build a powerhouse by being interested in everyone and/or that we are going to reap the precious farm system that took years and lots of losses and last place finishes to build up?

Not even one player from the farm of the "rebuilding years" has made it to the majors yet and they have already traded some significant portions of it. That just doesn't feel right. What they are doing is buying cheap wins to get to 90 wins to be somewhat relevant and within the wildcard spots.

Warren Buffet has a line: "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and 5 minutes to ruin it." The way the Red Sox run their org reminds me of that. They built up this great reputation during the Theo/Francona years and the last 10+ years have been yo-yoing between great and terrible. I'd be curious to know how many agents out there consider them to be a great organization that players should love to play for. It's the same thing for the Patriots.

On a side note, I think suggesting they're going to get to 90 wins is the most optimistic thing you've said in this thread. This might be an 85 win team right now.