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If Brady Martin and Kashawn Aitcheson are both available at pick 12, who do we take?

I’d be happy with either pick, but just based on what I’ve read I’d lean more towards aitcheson. First, nyr have a better track record with developing defensemen & while both lhd & c are needed for nyr prospect depth I think at the nhl level they’re locked in long term at c and can fill the bottom 6 c through FA and trades more so than a hopefully potential top 4 lhd.
 
any centers available around 12?
Jake O'Brien was my target as soon as I knew what pick we had, but it seems he's moved up a bit recently. May go a few picks before us. He is yet another slow skater though so he isn't ideal for our team who's already the slowest in the league.

Another great option who's more likely to be there at 12, Cullen Potter, he may be listed as LW on some sites but he played center this season in the NCAA as a 17yo (and put up 22pts in 35gp). He is the fastest skater in the draft, absolutely electric player
 
If Brady Martin and Kashawn Aitcheson are both available at pick 12, who do we take?
Of those two, I would take Martin but I also acknowledge that I’ve been burned in the past overrating players like Martin. That being said I just don’t trust any of the dmen in this draft because the one going 1st so I’d stay away, especially in the first round
 
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If we pass on Martin, I will commit Sudoku. :)
It depends on who is available. Sometimes, we see a string of defensemen get drafted over forwards. We could see Mrtka, Hensler, Aitchenson all drafted before 12 and push someone like McQueen down to us. Who must then live in Queens and start a soft ice cream and french fry business called Dairy McQueens.
 
So what I’m reading here is that Potter is mainly a skill guy with lots of speed? He’s not necessarily someone who goes to the dirty areas. Correct? If yes, I find it unlikely he’s the Rangers guy.

I think Perrault was kind of a ‘holy shit look he’s available’ kind of pick at that spot but I think they would have had other guys they were expecting to be there who played a bit more of a physical style. They seem to want players who played with intensity and a willingness. At the spot they’re in, that type of player should be available I would think.
 
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So what I’m reading here is that Potter is mainly a skill guy with lots of speed? He’s not necessarily someone who goes to the dirty areas. Correct? If yes, I find it unlikely he’s the Rangers guy.

I think Perrault was kind of a ‘holy shit look he’s available’ kind of pick at that spot but I think they would have had other guys they were expecting to be there who played a bit more of a physical style. They seem to want players who played with intensity and a willingness. At the spot they’re in, that type of player should be available I would think.
I mean he’s American so there’s a chance. Eventually you are going to need some output guys. Potter is an output guy. I think Logan Cooley/ to a lesser extent Clayton Keller aren’t unfair comps. And we loved Keller.
 
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It depends on who is available. Sometimes, we see a string of defensemen get drafted over forwards. We could see Mrtka, Hensler, Aitchenson all drafted before 12 and push someone like McQueen down to us. Who must then live in Queens and start a soft ice cream and french fry business called Dairy McQueens.
Joking aside, McQueen would be a great get. A bit of risk, but top 5 upside.

In trying to think who gets squeezed out of the top 10, it's PIT at 11. I think they'll take Martin if he's there. I dunno if they go for a riskier McQ. Them taking Mrtka or Hensler would be great for us.
 
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I see the draft more or less shaking out like this before the Rangers' pick, assuming no movement

1. NYI: Schaefer
2. SJ: Misa
3. CHI: Martone
4. UTAH: Desnoyers (I can very easily see a trade down for a defenseman here)
5. NASH: Hagens
6. PHI: Frondell
7. BOS: O'Brien
8. SEA: Mrtka
9. BUF: Martin
10. ANA: Smith
11. PIT: Eklund

Leaving the Rangers a choice of Aitcheson, Bear, McQueen, Cootes, Potter, et al.

Who are you taking?

P.S. I wouldn't rule out Boumedienne here.
 
So what I’m reading here is that Potter is mainly a skill guy with lots of speed? He’s not necessarily someone who goes to the dirty areas. Correct? If yes, I find it unlikely he’s the Rangers guy.

I think Perrault was kind of a ‘holy shit look he’s available’ kind of pick at that spot but I think they would have had other guys they were expecting to be there who played a bit more of a physical style. They seem to want players who played with intensity and a willingness. At the spot they’re in, that type of player should be available I would think.

I wouldn't say that this is fair at all. How he works off the rush doesn't really define his entire game.

If you're looking for intensity and effort, thats all over his game up and down the ice. It doesn't always result in the smartest decisions, but it's not from a lack of willingness or fear to go to certain parts of the ice because that is there in flashes, just not as often as you'd like (if it were, he'd be a lock for the top 5/10.)
 
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I see the draft more or less shaking out like this before the Rangers' pick, assuming no movement

1. NYI: Schaefer
2. SJ: Misa
3. CHI: Martone
4. UTAH: Desnoyers (I can very easily see a trade down for a defenseman here)
5. NASH: Hagens
6. PHI: Frondell
7. BOS: O'Brien
8. SEA: Mrtka
9. BUF: Martin
10. ANA: Smith
11. PIT: Eklund

Leaving the Rangers a choice of Aitcheson, Bear, McQueen, Cootes, Potter, et al.

Who are you taking?

P.S. I wouldn't rule out Boumedienne here.
McQueen
Aitcheson
 
I see the draft more or less shaking out like this before the Rangers' pick, assuming no movement

1. NYI: Schaefer
2. SJ: Misa
3. CHI: Martone
4. UTAH: Desnoyers (I can very easily see a trade down for a defenseman here)
5. NASH: Hagens
6. PHI: Frondell
7. BOS: O'Brien
8. SEA: Mrtka
9. BUF: Martin
10. ANA: Smith
11. PIT: Eklund

Leaving the Rangers a choice of Aitcheson, Bear, McQueen, Cootes, Potter, et al.

Who are you taking?

P.S. I wouldn't rule out Boumedienne here.
I’m on team @EdJovanovski

Get me the high reward center.
 
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I'm going to try to be fair to him with respect to the injury, but there's just something off with McQueen's game from the bit I've seen of him that bothers me. I think he's getting too much leeway for being that big of a player in juniors, but the overall pace of how he processes the game doesn't look like it'll translate that well. I know people see him and immediately think there's Tage Thompson potential, but a lot of his game is eerily similar to Nick Bjugstad, even to where I think he's a winger at the next level. Idk, he just struck me as more of a passenger, despite his ability to be able to carry and protect the puck really well. I just don't think he'll get the same opportunities once the games get faster and tighter. He'll probably still end up a good contributing top-9 player, but he isn't someone I'd risk taking at 12.

The Rangers need to start prioritizing the players with high-end motors and hockey IQ. It's why I liked Cootes so much even though he's been in an offensive wasteland in Seattle. The frame is there to grow into solid size for an NHL C, he's a great skater, and he's nonstop all over the puck. I already said before that I disagree with Wheeler's assessment on the overall skill level because we've seen how he looks when surrounded by better players. I don't think it's that improbable to see him hitting a ceiling of a Cirelli/Trocheck style of C.
 
I'm going to try to be fair to him with respect to the injury, but there's just something off with McQueen's game from the bit I've seen of him that bothers me. I think he's getting too much leeway for being that big of a player in juniors, but the overall pace of how he processes the game doesn't look like it'll translate that well. I know people see him and immediately think there's Tage Thompson potential, but a lot of his game is eerily similar to Nick Bjugstad, even to where I think he's a winger at the next level. Idk, he just struck me as more of a passenger, despite his ability to be able to carry and protect the puck really well. I just don't think he'll get the same opportunities once the games get faster and tighter. He'll probably still end up a good contributing top-9 player, but he isn't someone I'd risk taking at 12.

The Rangers need to start prioritizing the players with high-end motors and hockey IQ. It's why I liked Cootes so much even though he's been in an offensive wasteland in Seattle. The frame is there to grow into solid size for an NHL C, he's a great skater, and he's nonstop all over the puck. I already said before that I disagree with Wheeler's assessment on the overall skill level because we've seen how he looks when surrounded by better players. I don't think it's that improbable to see him hitting a ceiling of a Cirelli/Trocheck style of C.

The comp i'm kinda seeing with McQueen is Kirby Dach, and I dont love that
 
Ran the FC Hockey Mock Draft Sim twice:

Sim 1 ("Consensus" Rating, wherever that draws from):

#12- C Jake O'Brien, Brantford Bulldogs (OHL)
#43- D Haoxi Wang, BU (NCAA)
#70- D Maxim Afagonov, Toros Neftekamsk (VHL)
#104- D Reko Alanki, Jokerit U18 (U18-SM-Sarja)
#118- C Adrien Bartovic, Malmo Redhawks J20 (J20 Nationell)
#148- C Mikkel Eriksen, Farjestad BK J18 (J18 Nationell)
#166- D Matt Grimes, Sioux Falls Stampede (USHL)
#171- C Carson Harmer, Saginaw Spirit (OHL)
#203- C Matthew Lansing, Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL)
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Sim 2 (FC Hockey Rankings)

#12- C Brady Martin, Soo Greyhounds (OHL)
#43- C Ivan Ryabkin, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL)
#70- C William Moore, USNTP U18
#104- D Maxim Afagonov, Toros Neftekamsk (VHL)
#118- RW Shamar Moses, Barrie Colts (OHL)
#148- G Petteri Rimpinen, Kiekko Espoo U20 (U20-SM-Sarja)
#166- RW Jacob Kvasnicka, Univ of Minnesota (NCAA)
#171- C Teddy Mutryn, Chicago Steel (USHL)
#203- D Anthony Allain-Samake, Univ of Connecticut (NCAA)
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As much as i think we should be getting rid of this years pick, I'd probably be satisfied with either draft. Hardest pick was probably Ryabkin vs Cameron Schmidt, but I feel like this org would shy away from a guy the size of Schmidt, as good as he is. Martin over McQueen, Smith, Mrtka was also a decision, albeit definitely an easier one.
 
Ran the FC Hockey Mock Draft Sim twice:

Sim 1 ("Consensus" Rating, wherever that draws from):

#12- C Jake O'Brien, Brantford Bulldogs (OHL)
#43- D Haoxi Wang, BU (NCAA)
#70- D Maxim Afagonov, Toros Neftekamsk (VHL)
#104- D Reko Alanki, Jokerit U18 (U18-SM-Sarja)
#118- C Adrien Bartovic, Malmo Redhawks J20 (J20 Nationell)
#148- C Mikkel Eriksen, Farjestad BK J18 (J18 Nationell)
#166- D Matt Grimes, Sioux Falls Stampede (USHL)
#171- C Carson Harmer, Saginaw Spirit (OHL)
#203- C Matthew Lansing, Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL)
------------------------------------------------------------------
Sim 2 (FC Hockey Rankings)

#12- C Brady Martin, Soo Greyhounds (OHL)
#43- C Ivan Ryabkin, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL)
#70- C William Moore, USNTP U18
#104- D Maxim Afagonov, Toros Neftekamsk (VHL)
#118- RW Shamar Moses, Barrie Colts (OHL)
#148- G Petteri Rimpinen, Kiekko Espoo U20 (U20-SM-Sarja)
#166- RW Jacob Kvasnicka, Univ of Minnesota (NCAA)
#171- C Teddy Mutryn, Chicago Steel (USHL)
#203- D Anthony Allain-Samake, Univ of Connecticut (NCAA)
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As much as i think we should be getting rid of this years pick, I'd probably be satisfied with either draft. Hardest pick was probably Ryabkin vs Cameron Schmidt, but I feel like this org would shy away from a guy the size of Schmidt, as good as he is. Martin over McQueen, Smith, Mrtka was also a decision, albeit definitely an easier one.
I'm pretty sure we'll be looking at one of the C's getting squeezed out of the top 10. JOB and Martin and even McQ would be perfectly fine "upside" picks. Position of need is merely a bonus.

If none of the worthy C's fall past 11, then we should get Smith or Aitch.

If we keep the pick, I just don't want them to get "cutesy" with it.
 
I'm going to try to be fair to him with respect to the injury, but there's just something off with McQueen's game from the bit I've seen of him that bothers me. I think he's getting too much leeway for being that big of a player in juniors, but the overall pace of how he processes the game doesn't look like it'll translate that well. I know people see him and immediately think there's Tage Thompson potential, but a lot of his game is eerily similar to Nick Bjugstad, even to where I think he's a winger at the next level. Idk, he just struck me as more of a passenger, despite his ability to be able to carry and protect the puck really well. I just don't think he'll get the same opportunities once the games get faster and tighter. He'll probably still end up a good contributing top-9 player, but he isn't someone I'd risk taking at 12.

The Rangers need to start prioritizing the players with high-end motors and hockey IQ. It's why I liked Cootes so much even though he's been in an offensive wasteland in Seattle. The frame is there to grow into solid size for an NHL C, he's a great skater, and he's nonstop all over the puck. I already said before that I disagree with Wheeler's assessment on the overall skill level because we've seen how he looks when surrounded by better players. I don't think it's that improbable to see him hitting a ceiling of a Cirelli/Trocheck style of C.
McQueen has a ton of potential, but his skating isn't next level, and being hurt for nearly 2 or so seasons is scary when selecting at 12. We're just not in a position to have a wasted pick, despite the possibility of looking back in 5 years and saying, wow look at all these teams that passed up on McQueen.
 
Does this draft have Anton Lundell types in the draft? He was drafted 12th overall. Who compares to him in this draft?
Do you mean 2-way centers with the ability to be a top 6 center? Frondell and Desnoyers are good, reliable players. but I think you mean for the 12th spot. Martin could be had at 12 and he's reliable on both sides of the rink, but I wouldn't say similar to Lundell.
 

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