I don't understand why you posting this line up. It was Yzerman's choice not to improve this team and tank. He was General Manager at that time and had full responsibility for that roster, despite everybody with exception of Nemeth and Filppula being Holland holdover. And Yzerman did not improve that roster in order to tank. I don't understand what we are arguing here, but i also don't understand the crusades against Larkin and Rasmussen, so maybe it is just that time of the year.
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He inherited a team with no prospects and $3.4 million in cap space. If you don't understand why Ken Holland was removed as GM I really don't know what to tell you. Good luck.
That's is not what we are discussing here. Your point was that '19 team was assembled by Holland with intention to compete, and the point is wrong. Everybody understands that Holland needed to go. But '19 team was a product of a (correct) Yzerman decision to tank, not of Hollands' decision to compete. I don't know why it is necessary to villify Holland beyond any reality and attribute only positive things to Yzerman.
What does 13OA get you in terms of established players? Will it get you a Mason Lohrei or someone of that ilk?
That’s the 1 thing yet that I won’t criticize Yzerman for…Drafting has been his #1 strength thus far.
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13th overall does not seem like a bad spot in a draft with a lot of discussion on who goes after the first bunch of guys. Also last few drafts have been pretty friendly to that #13 slot in terms of who was selected... I wouldnt doubt even if they moved into the a higher pick, that the would go semi "off the board" according to most "experts".
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Dropping isn't that big of a deal when your spot was 12. The picks in this range are all about the same, so Detroit will just pick the kid they would probably have taken regardless. It sucks that we never catch a NYI, UTA, NJD break, but this year it isn't one where it matters so much to drop.
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the funny thing is that if you looked there's probably tons of quotes out there by Yzerman himself literally admitting that he wasn't actually trying to compete that year too which just makes this whole argument extra silly
it's not like he was hiding it or anything
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Recent 1st round picks don’t look good minus ASP. And Cossa is starting to look more and more like a bust. Being a backup in a playoff game in your D+4 is very telling.
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Cossa went through a bad stretch from Jan 31 to Apr 9.
Save percentage by game:
86.7
86.4
89.7
83.3
90.6
85.2
92.3
94.1
97.1
88.9
80.0
89.5
87.5
76.5
I am torn on him, it does feel like he should be trending better at this point, but goalies are notoriously slow to develop. I have no problem letting him marinate, but if you view Grand Rapids having a long playoff run as being important - I certainly don't - then you can make the case to use Cossa as a backup, as he lacks consistency at this point.
Save percentage by game:
86.7
86.4
89.7
83.3
90.6
85.2
92.3
94.1
97.1
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80.0
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87.5
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I am torn on him, it does feel like he should be trending better at this point, but goalies are notoriously slow to develop. I have no problem letting him marinate, but if you view Grand Rapids having a long playoff run as being important - I certainly don't - then you can make the case to use Cossa as a backup, as he lacks consistency at this point.
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I heard the voice of the grandpa from South Park when I read the title.Billy, Tommy, whatever...
"We got hosed, Billy."
"My name is Stan, grandpa!"
Anyway, I think I'm more ok with trading this year's pick than in years past, assuming there is something useful we can get for it (i.e. immediate help). Although, I don't follow the lead-up to the draft as much as many of you... is this a deep draft? Are the prospects expected to be available at 13 better or worse than average?
If we can add another impact player, while our top prospects all take another step forward, I think this team has the potential to finally take another leap forward. There's a lot of good young pieces already here, or about to be here. Insulating them with additional good players would be nice.
That all said, if we use the pick on someone who could be another stud, by all means. This is just the first year I'd really entertain the idea of trading our 1st.
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I think you can argue that this season is slightly disappointing as he ended up treading water at least statistically.
I would make two counterpoints. One, Askarov was similarly inconsistent last year in his equivalent year and Wallstedt was just flat out bad this year. Just making the point that goalie development isn't always linear and things could be a lot worse.
Two, and this I feel very strongly on - unlike last year where I think you could argue that Cossa was helped out by an extremely sound defensive structure, this year is almost the complete opposite. They've been inconsistent to bad in front of him the entire year.
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I feel better about Augustine than Cossa at this point and I'm glad he's staying in college instead of playing in the AHL next season. I'm sure there are players who benefit from 3 or more years in the AHL which is how Cossa is trending, but I'm definitely not a fan of that development path.
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His regular season save percentage is consistent from last year and this year in the regular season. I think we also need to realize that GR is not some premiere team or anything, as they have trouble scoring a lot of the time, and I don't even think the blueline there is that good. He had .900 in 9 po games last year as a rookie and every goalie ever can have a bad game like game 1. GR is 37-35 W-L in each of the past 2 seasons, so they aren't great.
I think there is some light cause for concern that he isn't consistent, but at the same time, every goalie can flip flop. Even Hellebuyck was really bad in 3 of the 7 games against STL, with some very Red Wingesque goals against.
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The only team who moved down in 2021 was Anaheim who moved down from 2 to 3, as Seattle jumped up from 3 to 2. Detroit finished 5th last in the league and picked 6th because Seattle came into the league starting with that draft (& expansion draft) & were given the 3rd slot in the Draft Lottery. So the Wings did not move down.
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Looks like they counted both expansion teams as a -1 since technically they did slide us back. 2017 was Vegas.
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Yep, only Dallas and Philadelphia jumped Detroit that year, Vegas was already slotted ahead in the Draft Lottery
Actually, if you are going to tank do it right. Bring up AHL players, trade off your good to decent players and do it for at least three years in a row. Don’t throw up your hands and stop if you drop one year. Double down.
If you finish with a terrible record (bottom three), your odds of drafting top five are guaranteed. Chicago is doing it that way and has been rewarded with three years of top three picks. How crazy would it be to see them win the cup before Detroit?
If you are going to tank, tank hard and do it right.
I would be on the phone with Buffalo trying to get Bowen Bryam. That would solidify our to 4 D once ASP arrives and be a much more impactful player than whoever they draft at 13.
Then try to sign Marner in the off season.
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