Prospect Info: 2025 DRAFT Discussion

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Especially if we have another top 5 pick that's ours.
Yeah, potentially having two shots at McKenna would be great. This team's gotta swallow its pride and trade guys like Rakell, Rust and EK though. And, teams like SJ and Chicago need to improve a bit for a legit shot at the Pens finishing bottom 3 imo.

Which is a lot to say they're gonna need lotto luck.
 
In recent drafts, you’re seemingly better served picking 7th/8th/9th than 5th/6th.

2023: Michkov (7) > Leonard (8) > Danielson (9) > Reinbacher (5) > Simashev (6)

2022: Kasper (8) > Gauthier (5) > Korchinski (7) > Savoie (9) > Jiricek (6)

2021: Johnson, Edvinsson, Eklund, Clarke and Guenther is basically a great wash

2020: Sanderson (5) > Rossi (9) > Drysdale (6) > Quinn (8) > Holtz (7)

2019: Seider (6) > Cozens (7) > Broberg (8) > Zegras (9) > Turcotte (5)

We’re finishing top-10 with more than a nominal shot at winning the lottery. That’s all that really matters. I seriously do not buy the notion that there’s any significant difference in quality between the group of Frondell, Desnoyers, Eklund, O’Brien, Smith, etc. below the top tier of Schaefer, Misa, Martone and Hagens. The hand-wringing is a little ridiculous.
 
I seriously do not buy the notion that there’s any significant difference in quality between the group of Frondell, Desnoyers, Eklund, O’Brien, Smith, etc. below the top tier of Schaefer, Misa, Martone and Hagens. The hand-wringing is a little ridiculous.
I don’t disagree with your overall point but every draft is its own beast. Still better to draft 5th or 6th because someone will talk themselves into a Desnoyers or Frondell at 3OA/4OA and you can scoop up Hagens or Martone at 5OA.

But you’re not incorrect that we can’t get a core level player at 7 or 8. It’s just harder than drafting top 3.
 
What many are projecting may not be the case. Prospects rise and fall. But the caveat is what Dubas does before the draft as to trades. He may visit Rakell or move Karlsson for a package, Teams like Detroit need scoring and veteran players who can get them over the proverbial hump.
 
Hopefully Dubas can recreate the magic from the Leafs. Hitting on Nylander/Marner/Matthews the 3 years they tanked was pretty incredible.
I wouldn’t call it magic. He got a 1OV, 4th, and 8th overall picks. I would hope a GM would get value from those picks.
 
I wouldn’t call it magic. He got a 1OV, 4th, and 8th overall picks. I would hope a GM would get value from those picks.
Getting a Nylander at 8 is really, really good work though. Marner is a great outcome for a 1OA, much less a 4OA. Neither were the consensus “top guy” when they were on the clock if you go off McKenzie’s poll either. Matthews I agree with you.

Leafs legitimately deserve credit for those picks. And Dubas deserves zero of it. Don’t think he was even hired when they took Nylander and he didn’t run the draft table for the others.
 
Was Button the one who had Frondell at 2 until this? One of those TSN guys did.
Maybe super early in the year before the season got going and he got injured. Going into the year, I believe it was Hagens, Frondell, Misa as the top 3. Then things obviously shifted.
 
Looking at those early lists vs current ones, it makes me curious: why the falling stock for Ryabkin? The latest from McKenzie sounds like it's mostly just a case of his suddenly jumping to the USHL and having a rough start there (including a suspension for a slew foot), but is there more to it than that?
 
Looking at those early lists vs current ones, it makes me curious: why the falling stock for Ryabkin? The latest from McKenzie sounds like it's mostly just a case of his suddenly jumping to the USHL and having a rough start there (including a suspension for a slew foot), but is there more to it than that?
I remember there being some talk of conditioning issues as well. He showed up the MHL this season out of shape and then wasnt giving much effort i think
 
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Looking at those early lists vs current ones, it makes me curious: why the falling stock for Ryabkin? The latest from McKenzie sounds like it's mostly just a case of his suddenly jumping to the USHL and having a rough start there (including a suspension for a slew foot), but is there more to it than that?
It's many things. Supposedly showed up out of shape in Russia, had clear issues with coaching staff there. Wasn't productive at all. Even now it's not like he's exceptionally productive and defensively he makes Kessel look like a Selke candidate. Along with plenty of lack of discipline penalties. Any projection of him in the 1st round is based on his D-1 year.
 
I would be surprised if a team used their 1st on him (Ryabkin) unless they had two firsts. I could see a team using a 2nd, especially if they have 2.

That dude just reeks of red flags.
 
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Craig’s List: Michael Misa climbs to No. 2 after exceptional OHL season | TSN

Didn't see this posted a couple days ago when it came out.

A couple of surprises:
  1. Schaefer
  2. Misa
  3. Martone
  4. Frondell
  5. McQueen
  6. Hagens
  7. Desnoyers
  8. Schmidt
  9. Eklund
  10. Jake O'Brien
Jackson Smith at 14
Mrtka at 15
Carter Bear at 22
Ryabkin at 27

If we draft 6ov, scoring Hagens would be sweet.
I like O'brien more than McQueen to be honest. I'm pretty dubious of his injury. If we fall a bit I hope we draft O'brien. He'd instantly be our best prospect IMO.
 
I like O'brien more than McQueen to be honest. I'm pretty dubious of his injury. If we fall a bit I hope we draft O'brien. He'd instantly be our best prospect IMO.
I didn't see a lot of info out there on it. Most reports just said "back injury" which is always concerning. I'm backing off the Carter Bear pick as he recently suffered an Achilles tendon slice.
 
I didn't see a lot of info out there on it. Most reports just said "back injury" which is always concerning. I'm backing off the Carter Bear pick as he recently suffered an Achilles tendon slice.
He missed a ton of time (McQueen), I just don't know at that high a pick if we wanna gamble with that variable hanging over our shoulders. Hagens or Desnoyers and then O'Brien would be the way I'd go if they're available.
 
He missed a ton of time (McQueen), I just don't know at that high a pick if we wanna gamble with that variable hanging over our shoulders. Hagens or Desnoyers and then O'Brien would be the way I'd go if they're available.
I mean, I'd have to see who is available but I tend to agree. Hagens (obviously) or Desnoyers over McQueen. JOB, I don't know yet. I'd shift to Eklund maybe first and hope that JOB is there for the Rags pick.
 
I'm scared of McQueen due to the injury issues but I feel some of the talk about him may be a bit too far. Remember, he started the year with 8 goals and 11 points in 8 games and has been at least decent since coming back from his injury (2 goals and 9 points in 9 games). I want to see him have a strong playoff run if I'm using their 1st on him, but he's not a guy I'd be mad if they drafted.

I'd be pretty damn happy with using a 1st on him if he ends up Byfield 2.0. There is a big question if that ends up happening, but that seems to be the obvious comparison to make with him. I wouldn't feel much differently about drafting him at #7 than I would with drafting say O'Brien or Desnoyers.

My preference for their draft pick would probably be:

1. Schaefer
2. Misa
3. Hagens
4. Martone
5. Frondell
6. Eklund
7. Desnoyers
8. McQueen
9. O'Brien
10. Mrtka
 
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