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Brady has that Mennonite strength. I’m sure he has seen some labor in his young life.
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results after cbj nyi games tonite
- worst case is drafting 13th with 4% chance of drafting 3rd
- best case is 10th with a 3% chance of drafting both 1st or 2nd
 
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Aitcheson top10 NA according to Central Scouting???? Good, hopefully somebody else is in love with him and that pushes Eklund to us. Do not know what games these scouts been watching, but Aitcheson is not the QB on that Barrie PP. He basically plays in the "Kucherov spot", hence the goals. He is not the brains, but the trigger man, cuz his puck skills aint that great and I watched video on him extensively over the weekend.
 
wingsfannnn9191 said:
You said you don’t understand why anyone would trade a 14th pick in this draft for eiserman and then said your not sure you can get a player as good as eiserman this year

Well you just gave a reason as to why someone would want to trade the 14th pick this year . Cause they might not get as good a player at 14 in 2025
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I am referring to the NYI. What incentive would Uncle Lou would have to do that trade?
 
Winged Wheel Willy said:
Aitcheson top10 NA according to Central Scouting???? Good, hopefully somebody else is in love with him and that pushes Eklund to us. Do not know what games these scouts been watching, but Aitcheson is not the QB on that Barrie PP. He basically plays in the "Kucherov spot", hence the goals. He is not the brains, but the trigger man, cuz his puck skills aint that great and I watched video on him extensively over the weekend.
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I am confused. Are you suggesting that we only draft defensemen if we can expect them to QB a PP? That seems like a very narrow pool of players, especially in a down draft.

I would have zero issues taking Aitcheson in the 12-14 range even though I don't expect him to be a PP contributor.
 
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Realistically I think it is pretty safe to say these guys are going to be off the board by the time we pick: Misa, Schaefer, Martone, Hagens, Frondell

So we are probably looking at the following 10-11 guys: Viktor Eklund, James O'Brien, Roger McQueen, Caleb Desnoyers, Carter Bear, Jackson Smith, Brady Martin, Kashawn Aitcheson, Lynden Lakovic, Justin Carbonneau, Radim Mrtka

Which one of these guys do you like? Which ones do you want to avoid? Anyone want to rank them in order of who you’d want Detroit to pick?
 
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Frk It said:
Realistically I think it is pretty safe to say these guys are going to be off the board by the time we pick: Misa, Schaefer, Martone, Hagens, Frondell

So we are probably looking at the following 10-11 guys: Viktor Eklund, James O'Brien, Roger McQueen, Caleb Desnoyers, Carter Bear, Jackson Smith, Brady Martin, Kashawn Aitcheson, Lynden Lakovic, Justin Carbonneau, Radim Mrtka

Which one of these guys do you like? Which ones do you want to avoid? Anyone want to rank them in order of who you’d want Detroit to pick?
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You can add desnoyers o’brien Eklund and probably mrtka with where he landed on the list, someone will take a flyer at him likely


McQueen,Carbonneau,nesbitt,smith,bear,aitcheson,Lakovic , the Milton kid from Sweden and cause of hakan I’d probably add Nilson and Wozniak as guys the wings will have available and look at when they pick 10-13
 
wingsfannnn9191 said:
You can add desnoyers o’brien Eklund and probably mrtka with where he landed on the list, someone will take a flyer at him likely


McQueen,Carbonneau,nesbitt,smith,bear,aitcheson,Lakovic , the Milton kid from Sweden and cause of hakan I’d probably add Nilson and Wozniak as guys the wings will have available and look at when they pick 10-13
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Gastrin was #27 and Nilson was #36 on Bob's mid-season list. Which is usually what I look at.

So not saying it's impossible, but I would not count on those guys being someone we take with the top pick.

I guess looking at Bob's list though the other guy I should probably include is Hensler, but I hope Detroit goes for someone else... lol
 
Frk It said:
Gastrin was #27 and Nilson was #36 on Bob's mid-season list. Which is usually what I look at.

So not saying it's impossible, but I would not count on those guys being someone we take with the top pick.

I guess looking at Bob's list though the other guy I should probably include is Hensler, but I hope Detroit goes for someone else... lol
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Gastrin #3 nhl scouting international skaters list . And the other 2 swedes aren't too far off. I just included more gastrin over the other 2 but you never know with Detroit. We picked seider way ahead others expected

Bob's list is the final one??
 
wingsfannnn9191 said:
Gastrin #3 nhl scouting international skaters list . And the other 2 swedes aren't too far off. I just included more gastrin over the other 2 but you never know with Detroit. We picked seider way ahead others expected

Bob's list is the final one??
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It’s the only one I know of that included feedback from NHL scouted. The final list should be out in a month or so.

Tough thing about being #2-3 on the Euro list is they don’t combine it with NA skaters. Sometimes the #2-3 guys get picked in the 2nd round, just depends on the year.
 
Frk It said:
It’s the only one I know of that included feedback from NHL scouted. The final list should be out in a month or so.

Tough thing about being #2-3 on the Euro list is they don’t combine it with NA skaters. Sometimes the #2-3 guys get picked in the 2nd round, just depends on the year.
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Ah ok thanks was sure but not 100% on whether his final rankings came out

Well frondell eklund will be top 10 have a hard time believing no one will take another euro player first round. I'll have to do some research on the top 10-20 euro's must be a few good ones that'll come out from there

Nesbitt caught my eye and hes 15 now north American, like his size I'll have do check all these guys out next few months
 
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He would need to go back to college for three more seasons. Howard is the exception for most first-round draft picks, not the norm.
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Oh I know first rounders dont typically est ufa and it's way too early but you just never know. Gauthier forced his way out of Philadelphia and I think I heard someone hasn't signed yet??

Charlie stramel? Could be wrong ... anyways never know
 
Frk It said:
Realistically I think it is pretty safe to say these guys are going to be off the board by the time we pick: Misa, Schaefer, Martone, Hagens, Frondell

So we are probably looking at the following 10-11 guys: Viktor Eklund, James O'Brien, Roger McQueen, Caleb Desnoyers, Carter Bear, Jackson Smith, Brady Martin, Kashawn Aitcheson, Lynden Lakovic, Justin Carbonneau, Radim Mrtka

Which one of these guys do you like? Which ones do you want to avoid? Anyone want to rank them in order of who you’d want Detroit to pick?
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The order you have them in is really similar to how I'd put them.

Eklund- I like the skill and smarts. Wanted his brother and I think Victor is as skilled/creative while being a bit more industrious. Plus I think this is our most likely pick (if he's there) and so I've been trying to sell myself haha.

Jake O'Brien- love the passing and vision. Seems like he has the off ice mentality that the Wings like. I'm a little worried that he stops moving his feet and I don't want another big guy that drifts. I think he's good enough that I probably take him if he's there, but I don't know if the wings would. We really like high motor players.

I have a lot of time for Ben Kindel- wouldn't mind reaching for him- but I doubt the Wings go for it.

Lakovic- I think I'd find him a little frustrating because he's big and not a bruiser...but I see a lot of Johan Franzen there and that appeals to me.

Martin and Bear probably come next for me. I think they both have more scoring potential than they generally get credit for and I think their industriousness will appeal a lot to the wings. They're guys whose games just work. They feel right.

I think Smith is my favorite of the defenseman though I've been leaning forward in general. Skating, size and enough offense to believe that he can move the puck at the next level. I think he'd appeal a lot to Yzerman and Draper. If Eklund isn't there, I bet this is the pick.

I like Carbonneau but I also think he's pretty similar to MBN and would rather target someone that brings some different elements to the table.

Desnoyers feels a little bland to me. Does things well, but his game doesn't pop for me.

I don't love Aitchesson and Mrtka. Plays seem to die on their sticks too often for me. They're fine and I haven't seen them enough to be too harsh. People often talk about how smooth and smart Mrtka is. I don't really feel that way so maybe I'm out to lunch. Smith just seems more comfortable and effective with the puck. I'm not sure if the stats bear that out.

I'm a little scared of McQueen's back. I don't mind the player but I'd rather avoid him. If the Wings doctors give them the go ahead, then fine. I honestly think modern sports medicine has gotten so good that injuries shouldn't matter so much in evaluating prospects. That doesn't apply to back issues.
 
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The order you have them in is really similar to how I'd put them.

Eklund- I like the skill and smarts. Wanted his brother and I think Victor is as skilled/creative while being a bit more industrious. Plus I think this is our most likely pick (if he's there) and so I've been trying to sell myself haha.

Jake O'Brien- love the passing and vision. Seems like he has the off ice mentality that the Wings like. I'm a little worried that he stops moving his feet and I don't want another big guy that drifts. I think he's good enough that I probably take him if he's there, but I don't know if the wings would. We really like high motor players.

I have a lot of time for Ben Kindel- wouldn't mind reaching for him- but I doubt the Wings go for it.

Lakovic- I think I'd find him a little frustrating because he's big and not a bruiser...but I see a lot of Johan Franzen there and that appeals to me.

Martin and Bear probably come next for me. I think they both have more scoring potential than they generally get credit for and I think their industriousness will appeal a lot to the wings. They're guys whose games just work. They feel right.

I think Smith is my favorite of the defenseman though I've been leaning forward in general. Skating, size and enough offense to believe that he can move the puck at the next level. I think he'd appeal a lot to Yzerman and Draper. If Eklund isn't there, I bet this is the pick.

I like Carbonneau but I also think he's pretty similar to MBN and would rather target someone that brings some different elements to the table.

Desnoyers feels a little bland to me. Does things well, but his game doesn't pop for me.

I don't love Aitchesson and Mrtka. Plays seem to die on their sticks too often for me. They're fine and I haven't seen them enough to be too harsh. People often talk about how smooth and smart Mrtka is. I don't really feel that way so maybe I'm out to lunch. Smith just seems more comfortable and effective with the puck. I'm not sure if the stats bear that out.

I'm a little scared of McQueen's back. I don't mind the player but I'd rather avoid him. If the Wings doctors give them the go ahead, then fine. I honestly think modern sports medicine has gotten so good that injuries shouldn't matter so much in evaluating prospects. That doesn't apply to back issues.
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Potter and Reschny ?
 
HisNoodliness said:
The order you have them in is really similar to how I'd put them.

Eklund- I like the skill and smarts. Wanted his brother and I think Victor is as skilled/creative while being a bit more industrious. Plus I think this is our most likely pick (if he's there) and so I've been trying to sell myself haha.

Jake O'Brien- love the passing and vision. Seems like he has the off ice mentality that the Wings like. I'm a little worried that he stops moving his feet and I don't want another big guy that drifts. I think he's good enough that I probably take him if he's there, but I don't know if the wings would. We really like high motor players.

I have a lot of time for Ben Kindel- wouldn't mind reaching for him- but I doubt the Wings go for it.

Lakovic- I think I'd find him a little frustrating because he's big and not a bruiser...but I see a lot of Johan Franzen there and that appeals to me.

Martin and Bear probably come next for me. I think they both have more scoring potential than they generally get credit for and I think their industriousness will appeal a lot to the wings. They're guys whose games just work. They feel right.

I think Smith is my favorite of the defenseman though I've been leaning forward in general. Skating, size and enough offense to believe that he can move the puck at the next level. I think he'd appeal a lot to Yzerman and Draper. If Eklund isn't there, I bet this is the pick.

I like Carbonneau but I also think he's pretty similar to MBN and would rather target someone that brings some different elements to the table.

Desnoyers feels a little bland to me. Does things well, but his game doesn't pop for me.

I don't love Aitchesson and Mrtka. Plays seem to die on their sticks too often for me. They're fine and I haven't seen them enough to be too harsh. People often talk about how smooth and smart Mrtka is. I don't really feel that way so maybe I'm out to lunch. Smith just seems more comfortable and effective with the puck. I'm not sure if the stats bear that out.

I'm a little scared of McQueen's back. I don't mind the player but I'd rather avoid him. If the Wings doctors give them the go ahead, then fine. I honestly think modern sports medicine has gotten so good that injuries shouldn't matter so much in evaluating prospects. That doesn't apply to back issues.
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It's not a back issue, it's a cervical spine issue for McQueen. I posted about it here before but if he's correct that he had a pars fracture and wasn't misspeaking, that's a do-not-draft level of injury. His career is likely over if that's truly what the injury was.

I'd avoid him like the plague for that reason.

My top picks are Eklund and OBrien as you said, but I do like Carbonneau. Seems like much more of a skill pick than MBN.
 
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It's not a back issue, it's a cervical spine issue for McQueen. I posted about it here before but if he's correct that he had a pars fracture and wasn't misspeaking, that's a do-not-draft level of injury. His career is likely over if that's truly what the injury was.

I'd avoid him like the plague for that reason.

My top picks are Eklund and OBrien as you said, but I do like Carbonneau. Seems like much more of a skill pick than MBN.
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That's a good point, neck is worse than back. And I guess I should say I mean spine injury either way. Soft tissue problems and such aren't so bad (I mean they're bad, just not spine injury bad).

That's so rough for the poor kid. He was well on his way to a lucrative career as a professional athlete. Now he'll be in pain for the rest of his life. He might never have said career. If he does, he'll be one bad hit away from having his career and even life totally ruined.
 
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Realistically I think it is pretty safe to say these guys are going to be off the board by the time we pick: Misa, Schaefer, Martone, Hagens, Frondell

So we are probably looking at the following 10-11 guys: Viktor Eklund, James O'Brien, Roger McQueen, Caleb Desnoyers, Carter Bear, Jackson Smith, Brady Martin, Kashawn Aitcheson, Lynden Lakovic, Justin Carbonneau, Radim Mrtka

Which one of these guys do you like? Which ones do you want to avoid? Anyone want to rank them in order of who you’d want Detroit to pick?
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Avoid Mrtka and McQueen. Mrtka because he gives big dumb tools-no-toolbox defenseman vibes. McQueen only because the par fracture he’s got is the type of injury that has a high recurrence rate. It’s a shame because he’d be a top 6 pick otherwise.
I’m not a huge fan of Jackson Smith either. He reminds me of Kevin Korchinski who I really disliked as a prospect. (He still looks like a bum to me.). I don’t see high IQ in his plays. I see a lot of high end athleticism but would be shocked if he becomes a top pair guy. Not a BAD pick, per se. But very underwhelming.

I have come around to liking Desnoyers with more viewings but I think he’ll be gone between 3 and 6.
O’Brien is my favorite followed by Eklund and Bear. Both Eklund and O’Brien will be gone before Detroit’s pick, though.
O’Brien probably between 4 and 7.
Eklund probably goes 6-10.
Bear probably goes 11-16 due to injury. Maybe even later.

Detroit is pretty well locked into the 10-13 slots with 12 being the most likely outcome. And I’d like to see this player on the team in 2 to 3 years max. I lean winger because they take less time to develop than centers and defensemen.

The guys I expect in our range that are my preference:
Bear: Even with that ankle injury he’s got that dog in him. I still contend that he’s one of the top 2 skilled wingers in the draft with Eklund.
Martin: I appreciate how competitive he is. 3C/2W or 3W type. Might be a top line corner guy.
Lakovic: I think someone will take him top 10 hoping he’s this year’s Musty or Sennecke. The speed and stick skills impress me. Wish he was more physical and on a better junior team.
Aitcheson: I’m not expecting much pro offense but great shutdown ability and a lot of physicality. Every team needs that guy.
Carbonneau: Good skill, good size. Nothing jumps off the page but I think he could be a producer and we hope the rough edges of his game round out.
 
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