Ulysses31
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how about an offer sheet 7 years maybe 8ish mil
edit: if i gm i aint trading lombardi
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edit: if i gm i aint trading lombardi
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still trying to trust the yzerplan
We'll have to pony up something good for a 22 year old 30G scoring power forward. An 8M offersheet over 7 years would calculate compensation at 5 years, so 11.2M. That would be two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd. I like Knies but I'm not sure I like him that much.
I think a 7x6 offer sheet (1st/2nd/3rd) or Lombari + 1st is a good basis. If you don't want to include Lombardi it'll have to be someone else good to get them to even consider it - maybe Soderblom then as he's shown some NHL promise, or Mazur. Or even one of Augustine or Cossa since Toronto has no pipeline in net.
If you do Lombardi + 2nd + 2nd for example. Sign Frederic, Bennett and Provorov, and re-sign Kane. You can go into next season with:
Knies-Larkin-Raymond
Bennett-Kasper-DeBrincat
Kane-Danielson-Frederic
Rasmussen-Copp-Soderblom
Mazur
Provorov-Seider
Edvinsson-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson
somebody
That's a playoff team with grit across the lineup that won't get pushed around. Next year you lose Kane and slot in Buchelnikov. That team is ready to start contending soon. If I'm Stevie I push for something like this.
You could make the argument that a similar outcome could be had without trading / acquiring Knies and just slotting Lombardi in that 1W slot. Bottom line, we need to play the kids and see what we have.
Ulysses31
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Ok you’re right. Never picking too 5 to get the elite players. Almost a decade in and no closer to winning big then they were before all the losing started. Inexcusable and pathetic.
Wouldn't deal for Eiserman. If we're moving that pick, I want someone we don't question as an NHLer. Might question their upside, might be paid a little too much, but I want an NHLer for it. If we're not getting that, I'd rather trust Yzerman drafting with it.
That’s cool you don’t like eiserman I don’t understand why you wouldn’t make a trade for another similar player . Pretty sure ppl didn’t like moving Gibson for kiiskinen at the time. Anyone we get at 12 we’ll likely question if they’re an nhler or not. It’s not a sure thing
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I hope so. Just to be clear, I hope every Detroit pick turns out like a steal. I’m just having a hard time seeing the high end offense. Goalie looks great and defense looks pretty solid.
From a quick look I'm going to point out that those guys either took 3+ years to make an NHL team, or 3+ years before they started making a serious impact. While our first couple of drafts under Yzerman could have been more productive (though Wally, Albert, and Elmer could mitigate that a bit) I'm not sure it's time to write off our drafting beyond the 1st round yet.
It takes time for guys from rounds 2+ to make an impact, and the Wings it's more so right now because I think Yzerman has purposefully slow walked nearly everyone to help build up the farm.
Okay, you just drafted a guy a year ago with your top pick. You liked him enough at that point to spend significant asset collateral on him. Now, a year later, you want to turn around and deal him for another lotto ticket. Maybe you just really like someone in this draft, but it looks...fishy. It looks like you have soured on him, a lot, in the past year or two. If you're another team, you have to be wondering what that team has seen in this kid that it didn't see before to make them want to cut ties so soon. If, for example, NYI are looking at Eiserman and already going, "Yeah, nope." That's a big red flag for me.
Trades like Gibson/Kiskinen are different. You're swapping for known pieces, neither side is tossing a guy for what's in box #3. There's less reason to look at it and wonder what you're not seeing.
Also, I think our 1st carries more value in dealing for an established player than for a prospect. If there are no red flags, you're still paying for potential and no prospect that you can pull largely with a mid-1st is going to be great unless that other team is screwing up in some big way. I think we get more bang for a trade buck by going after an established player.
I think he could hit an NHL roster in his D+3 year, but he, like most NHL defensemen, will require some NHL experience before becoming a truly solid NHL player. Being good enough to make an NHL roster and being good enough to meaningfully contribute at the NHL level are two very different things.
Wouldn’t deal it for a guy in his 30’s either, but I wouldn’t mind trading it for a guy who hasn’t seen the NHL as long as they’ve torn it up in the NCAA, SHL, etc and a couple other criteria are met. It wouldn’t just be any prospect who has done well post draft. Suzuki and Faber are good examples of prospects who were the centerpiece of their respective (big) deals without having hit the NHL yet who I would’ve been happy to acquire for a high-ish first and some modest extras. Whatever prospect we targeted would have to be noted for their maturity both on and off the ice, as well as having some semblance of a two-way game. (Both Faber and Suzuki were captains of their teams when traded.) And they’d definitely have to be NHL ready or close, so I’d probably be targeting prospects who had completed their D+2.
Unfortunately there aren’t too many prospects who check all those boxes that a team would be willing to trade.
Y’all should abandon any notion that we can acquire Knies. Toronto will allocate money for Knies before even thinking about Marner. They’ll match pretty much any offer sheet. They love him there and he’s becoming an icon for them. He’s basically a unicorn. What you’re talking about is akin to folks discussing offersheeting Kasper after he has a 30/30 sophomore season. It’s more of a pipe dream than signing Marner is.
Holden Caufield
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Nothing too unexpected in the Central scouting final rankings.
Mrtka at 5th NA skater might be a little surprising.
Martone slides to 6th among NA skaters… but Still not in our range.
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deca guard
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we win one of the top 3 pix in lotto and you will NEVER hear more trash talk in the history of the universe than in the 'detroit redwing downfall' thread by me about yzerman feathering the gas pedal by not signing top ufa in order to spend more drafts hanging out in the ''LOTTO ZONE''
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Reading up a bit on him, it sounds like he may be moved to wing if he can't get the defensive part of his game ironed out. I wonder if he would play on the left wing? We don't have much depth there but have Ray and MBN on the right side.
How are kiiskinen and Gibson a year later known pieces? I’m pretty sure Nashville would like a do over at this point. I don’t think a prospect drafted this year one last year has much difference unless obviously they exploded a year or later or were a top end prospect
I suggested this cause maybe the wings really liked someone from last season and coveted him. Maybe someone covets a Dman or someone at say 10 they won’t have at say pick 24
Or a Chicago let’s say gets #1 and wants someone else at 10 maybe they decide we have rinzel and levshunov and decide we can part with korchinski for the wings pick and the wings decide they like the player and would rather have him than someone else at 10 ... not saying I’d make that specific trade just giving an example
I think prospects a year apart still have lots of unanswered questions and if our scouts think one from last season could help I’d be ok with . I’ve also stated I’d trade that pick from Romanov numerous times. Just giving other options
You said you don’t understand why anyone would trade a 14th pick in this draft for eiserman and then said your not sure you can get a player as good as eiserman this year
Well you just gave a reason as to why someone would want to trade the 14th pick this year . Cause they might not get as good a player at 14 in 2025
Ya hear o brien was at 4 on a podcast . Liked the guy months ago and he shoots up to 4 .... our luck
Holden Caufield
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Yes O’Brien was a mover too.
I was kind of expecting that one though.
deca guard
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when i get refocused on the fact he just turned 18 it makes 190 at full development sound likely . in addition theres some trusted posters here high on martin so im leaning back that way . in addition i saw an interveiw with another prospect , i think carbo , where he said martins a character . this makes me see him as good for a hockey team to keep spirits stoked
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What are thoughts of trading the 1st for another younger player ?
Eiserman didn’t sign with islanders and going back to ncaa ... can we blackmail him to tell lou it’s detroit or he bangs the college girls till he’s a Ufa ?
Musty? Wood? Maybe in a package for a mintyukov or Bichsel?
Dude. Why the Eiserman obsession here? I’d rather get Isaac Howard from Tampa.
Threw him out as a possibility. We need goals. He not the only young player with upside .... howard’s Coming here of his own free will .... there’s no need for Tampa to get a 1st , f*** those guys
had my eye on nesbitt and he’s at 15 North American skater on nhl.com final rankings . Guess he can be on our radar, Martin at 11
