Frk It
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Interesting comment to make about a guy that scored 26 goals this year, as a defenseman.
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Steve Yzerlland
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I’m not sure exactly what you are taking about with the 2nd round and beyond:
Albert
Soderblom
Mazur
Lombardi
Buch
Gibson (got us Kiskenen)
Bium
Wallinder
Plante
I’m sure there’s more but you can’t just say it’s only Trey
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That Nesbitt description sounds like an yzerman pick. Wouldn't mind adding more size upfront
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Guy is leading his team in scoring , play very physical game, fights , good skater. Why is he so low on mock drafts?
My point was all the guys you listed look like depth pieces. No Kucherov’s, Points, etc… I think we all agree we didn’t get the very high end offensive talent we needed. I just am not sure an endless supply of bottom six wingers or bottom pair defenseman are going to make a big difference.
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He made the NHL right away so therefore he is automatically the better player, or something along those lines.
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Yeah I was talking more up front to bring offence. But even scoring as much as he did (he actually led his team in scoring),
a) I don't think he's going to provide a whole lot offensively at the next level, I think he's going to be a guy that can solidly move the puck and bury the odd clapper.
b) I think the offensive spots on the wings back end are going to be handled for foreseeable future. Aitcheson likely not (not going to say for sure) a PP guy in Detroit, and likely wont be a big points guy at the next level. Definitely wont be his calling card
Brad Stuart for me. If some of the higher end forwards are gone, and depending where Detroits picks I would love Aitcheson. I just think a Martin, Eklund, McQueen or O'Brien provide more offence for Detroit down the line.
I wanted Savoie in 2022 and Benson in 2023. Wings needed offense, and I thought they were more likely to hit. That said, had Yzerman not signed the poor FAs or the Wings not won a few meaningless games, we could have had a shot at Michkov or Leonard.
Time will tell if Kasper and Danielson exceed expectations. ASP was a great pick and the Wings didn’t have much choice with MBN.
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He made NHL right away because he was drafted by stupid people
Ya those are fairly rare to have happen. Buch could be that guy. Outproduced Demidov this year (2 years older) but still the high end talent is definitely there for him
Gniwder
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That's not all that great considering the team had so many extra 2nd rounders. 6 of them in Stevie's first 2 drafts, and we get a 3rd pair D out of all that? That's below average hit rate. Imagine if we picked Peterka instead of Wallinder (there were multiple people here that wanted the kid), EVangelista or Faber.
Drafting past the first round is definitely subpar.
Yup I wanted peterka instead of wallinder but my reasoning was only so Seider can have a fellow German on the team Lol Definetly would have been better off taking him
RedHawkDown
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2020 was a massive fail past the first round. Lots of really good guys that year that we missed on, and we had multiple 2nd rounders too. Peterka, Evangelista, Kleven, Faber, Lohrei, Cullye...
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I was going to say I could see him being like Trouba, so maybe we’re not too far off. I think his upper end projection might be something like Provorov, although Provorov was farther along and more impactful at the same age.
But these are guys we have been talking about wanting to add to the team, so if we can add a player like this via the draft, I’m all for it.
Depends how the draft board breaks. I too would prefer Eklund or McQueen. But Martin vs Aitcheson? That starts to be a coin flip for me. I also have a lot of time for Jackson Smith.
Ya I looked at that draft the other day and it was one of the few draft fails from yzerman outside raymond when you look at the amount of picks we had that year in the earlier rounds
I think nikishin was there as well and we took sebrango
Need wallinder to be a player or flip him while he still has any value in a deal... I'd move him for Lukas Fischer so we'd have a younger prospect that can develop for another 3 yrs we can use down the road
Gniwder
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I only mentioned the names that showed up in the draft discussion a lot so it doesn't sound like total hindsight drafting. Out of all of them I believe Peterka was mentioned the most and Faber a distant second. Evangelista was definitely discussed, don't remember any of the other ones. Wallinder was in the discussion before he was drafted, I don't remember anyone clamoring for Neiderbach or Hanas.
But the point is.... 3 picks in the second, 2 picks in the third, 2 picks in the fourth, and 2 picks in the seventh, and all we get is Kienan Draper, who will more than likely be cleaning out the zamboni trough after he graduates.
That's garbage drafting. 2020 looks like it was a decent draft class. The Wings drafting was so bad that draft that ANY ONE OF US WOULD HAVE DONE BETTER. Even NorissNick. You can't do worse than zero. That's horrendous.
RedHawkDown
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I agree with you. I'll probably get eaten alive for this as I have before but I firmly believe it - I dont' think NHL front offices are much better at drafting than people online or even just people reading scouting reports. In many years, the guys we would have picked on the boards would have made for a much better draft than what Detroit actually did, and 2020 is one of them.
2017, lots of us wanted Necas. 2018, lots of us wanted Hughes. 2019, lots of us wanted Zegras. 2020, lots of us were very happy with Raymond and would have picked him too. 2021, lots of us wanted Eklund. 2022, many of us wanted Savoie. 2023, I wanted Benson personally.
Necas/Hughes/Zegras/Eklund/Savoie/Benson vs Rasmussen/Zadina/Seider/Edvinsson/Kasper/Danielson. Hard to say the first group isn't better even if there were some "HFBoards misses" in there.
IMO lots of front offices are full of meatheads who were former NHL players and really have zero business being in analytic managerial roles, but get them because pro sports, and especially the NHL, are a massive nepotism / old boys club. Lots of these guys try to galaxy brain the draft and take guys like Tyler Boucher 10th overall and Rasmussen 9th overall when there are clearly better picks that everyone could see at the time.
Frk It
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Lock yourself into 1 pick and keep track of it year over year. Especially in rounds 2-3, you will see how hard it is - So often the guy you like way better than who the Wings pick doesn’t amount to shit either.
The hit rate in the 2nd round is maybe like 10%. Being able to name a couple of the outliers doesn’t make the task any easier to achieve than what it is.
Oh, and I’ll take Edvinsson over Eklund any day… thanks.
I mean… in your analysis, it’s the first 2 years that were clear misses … before Yzerman got there. I’d easily take Yzerman’s 19-23 picks over “the boards.”
And the fascination with the Sabres undersized forwards continues to baffle me. There’s literally no one in the league who would take Savoie over Kasper right now.
RedHawkDown
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I've done that exercise before and it's hard to prove because...it's the internet...but yes, most of the time I was just as wrong as Detroit, but I've been right probably just as often as they have.
I wanted Necas in 2017, but was also OK taking Liljegren or Vilardi. 2/3 of those would have been a way better pick. Here's a link proving that: Prospect Info: - 2017 Draft
2020 I wanted Peterka. Post-Game Talk: - World Junior Championships 2020 in the Czech Republic: Canada Wins 2020 Gold.
2018, would have taken Dobson or Bouchard. Not Hughes, but better than Z. Prospect Info: - 2018 NHL Draft
Those are some examples I can find evidence of on these boards. Way back in the day I wanted Kucherov as well but don't think I posted about that here. Anyway, I was also wrong all the time - I wanted Kirby Dach in 2019 - but my point is that if I can have so many "hits" as a random dude on an internet forum who basically just reads scouting reports and watches highlights and formulates a "vibe" on these players... it's kind of sad that NHL teams can't do 1000x better than me.
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RedHawkDown
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I don't want Savoie over Kasper. I'm saying that's a miss by me/ others. Just saying the overall Detroit group isn't better.
And it wasn't a comment on Yzerman. It's a comment on NHL drafting in general. Holland's part of that. Yzerman's drafting in the 1st round has been lights out, I agree with that.
Gniwder
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Frk It was the biggest proponent for Necas on HFBoards, he's just arguing for the sake of argument, lol.
I think Stevie has a solid track record as far as 1st rounders, but past the first round, he's not even league average because of the extra picks he had. It would look worse without the Hakan special in Soderblom. I though Buch and Plante were solid picks though for the second round, and I'm still holding out hope for Lombardi and Finnie. Everyone else like Mazur, they're 4th liners or 3rd pair D.
If the probability is low anyways, I'd rather swing for the fence than trying to bunt my way to first.
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