Prospect Info: 2025 draft discussion

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I am not there just yet, but I agree that Suzuki is a strong example. We do have a lot of flexibility from a draft perspective. I am also guessing that whoever we take this year is as likely to be traded as he is to play for the Wings at this point. Around 15 I might start thinking about him, but not around 10. Ask me after the U18s and my answer may change. I do think this class gets pretty bland in the middle of the first round.
That's fair. Again, I just wanted to put Reschny's name out there.

I think at this early stage my preference would be Eklund if we are drafting 5-9 and Carbonneau if we are drafting 10-15.

Will be curious to see where everyone is at on Bob's mid-season list, I am guessing that is coming out soon. It usually comes out after the WJC.
 

Anyone heard of or seen this kid play? Guessing no cause its quebec junior league. Theres a French podcast guy I listen to and he said if the habs drafted him hed be the habs #1c in 2-3 years and he doesnt care what the nhl does with their lists but hes #3 on his


Habs article mentioning desnoyers take

He has crazy takes sometimes lol seen trevor Connelly a bunch and was obsessed with him last season and musty the year prior

but he also had makar#1 his draft year and some others I cant recall now. Drafts are always a crapshoot but if he thinks this kid can be a 1c in 3 years guess I'll have to look out for him and maybe watch a game or 2
 

Anyone heard of or seen this kid play? Guessing no cause its quebec junior league. Theres a French podcast guy I listen to and he said if the habs drafted him hed be the habs #1c in 2-3 years and he doesnt care what the nhl does with their lists but hes #3 on his


Habs article mentioning desnoyers take

He has crazy takes sometimes lol seen trevor Connelly a bunch and was obsessed with him last season and musty the year prior

but he also had makar#1 his draft year and some others I cant recall now. Drafts are always a crapshoot but if he thinks this kid can be a 1c in 3 years guess I'll have to look out for him and maybe watch a game or 2
I actually like him a lot. I have not had much of a chance to watch the players in this class, but from the little I have seen combined with what I have read/heard from others on him, I would be really excited if we had the opportunity to pick him.

I have also been following Carbonneau since his -1 season and think pretty highly of him as well.
 
I actually like him a lot. I have not had much of a chance to watch the players in this class, but from the little I have seen combined with what I have read/heard from others on him, I would be really excited if we had the opportunity to pick him.

I have also been following Carbonneau since his -1 season and think pretty highly of him as well.
Nice , ya I'll have to see if I can find a few of his games and watch him

Is carbonneau guy's kid?? Defensive specialist??
 
Nice , ya I'll have to see if I can find a few of his games and watch him

Is carbonneau guy's kid?? Defensive specialist??
I do not believe they are related. I was trying to find some info to share and I saw someone comp him to Brock Boeser, and I think that works pretty well.


 
I do not believe they are related. I was trying to find some info to share and I saw someone comp him to Brock Boeser, and I think that works pretty well.



I think that general quality of player. Stylistically I think he plays with more pace and is a much better skater. Maybe that makes him a little less cerebral than Boeser?
 
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I do not believe they are related. I was trying to find some info to share and I saw someone comp him to Brock Boeser, and I think that works pretty well.



Ya checked hes not guys kid lol ... he looks good. McKenzie didnt have him ranked? Didnt see it on eliteprospects

Always weary of players coming from quebec juniors cause the competition isn't as good. If that can make a possible steal around 10 I'd be up for it

Gonna have to look up these 2 more
 

Anyone heard of or seen this kid play? Guessing no cause its quebec junior league.
Yes, i have heard of him and disscussed a bit too. And i have seen him play, i've seen him LIVE twice at the U18 Worlds last spring. Went through my phone and found couple pics of him, number 25 in the distance
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between #12 and goalie.

I didn't find him in any action shots. Unfortunately.

Like i said earlier Desnoyers sure has Red Wings written all over him but Wings would need the pick be around 6-8OA to get him. Few reports from Q that i read, left a imagine that Desnoyer could be leading scorer in the league but he is defensively so responsible that it won't happen. Very intriguing prospect, first Q prospect in years that is this intriguing.
 
Yes, i have heard of him and disscussed a bit too. And i have seen him play, i've seen him LIVE twice at the U18 Worlds last spring. Went through my phone and found couple pics of him, number 25 in the distance
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between #12 and goalie.

I didn't find him in any action shots. Unfortunately.

Like i said earlier Desnoyers sure has Red Wings written all over him but Wings would need the pick be around 6-8OA to get him. Few reports from Q that i read, left a imagine that Desnoyer could be leading scorer in the league but he is defensively so responsible that it won't happen. Very intriguing prospect, first Q prospect in years that is this intriguing.
Think he goes that high ??? Usually Quebec junior kids dont and I seen him higher on some lists. Gonna have to look into him and others more

Hopefully one of these kids with top 6 upside will be there for us
 
Pick the guy with the highest upside, the time has come for homerun swings. We're already pretty deep at forward in the pipeline, our top 3 on defense is pretty much set and we have two stud goaltending prospects. Drafting high floor players has it's place of course, and I think it's been a sound plan in the case of Kasper, Danielson and MBN, but we need to start putting the chips in the middle. Teams really gain an edge when they have young, high level talent on cheap deals and that is exactly the type of bet I'd like to see this team take more often.

I literally haven't looked into this class at all beyond the top few, but I think that's going to be underlying philosophy once this draft comes into focus.
 
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Pick the guy with the highest upside, the time has come for homerun swings. We're already pretty deep at forward in the pipeline, our top 3 on defense is pretty much set and we have two stud goaltending prospects. Drafting high floor players has it's place of course, and I think it's been a sound plan in the case of Kasper, Danielson and MBN, but we need to start putting the chips in the middle. Teams really gain an edge when they have young, high level talent on cheap deals and that is exactly the type of bet I'd like to see this team take more often.

I literally haven't looked into this class at all beyond the top few, but I think that's going to be underlying philosophy once this draft comes into focus.

Outside of the top 8-10 picks I don’t think that will be this draft. 2025 is not super deep. I’d argue it reminds me more of some of the weaker forward drafts. (2012, 2017, 2018, 2022)

If the wings can draft a Tuch or Boldy level winger in the teens this year I’ll be absolutely shocked. I’m not excited about a lot of this year’s first round.
 
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Outside of the top 8-10 picks I don’t think that will be this draft. 2025 is not super deep. I’d argue it reminds me more of some of the weaker forward drafts. (2012, 2017, 2018, 2022)

If the wings can draft a Tuch or Boldy level winger in the teens this year I’ll be absolutely shocked. I’m not excited about a lot of this year’s first round.
Then this a prime pick to move for a player of that caliber then given where I expect us to fall if the current uptick continues to some extent (borderline playoffs).
 
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Personally, if we are picking around 14-16 again, then we should trade our pick to improve our roster next year. I don’t think adding a middle of the road prospect will do anything to move the needle for this team. Making a trade for just an example Rasmus Anderson would go a lot farther. If the pick gets you someone like that that should be what the wings do. If we finish lower than 14 then keep the pick.
 
Decided to keep my draft simulator stuff in the draft thread this year, I won't create an individual thread unless suggested.

My sim is now up to date with central scouting's 2025 midterm rankings: Link to the simulator

Previous threads if you don't know what this is or are feeling nostalgic:
2023 thread
2024 thread

@HoweFan it's finally here!

Have fun!

I'm in a mock, you have made my day!!!
 
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Decided to keep my draft simulator stuff in the draft thread this year, I won't create an individual thread unless suggested.

My sim is now up to date with central scouting's 2025 midterm rankings: Link to the simulator

Previous threads if you don't know what this is or are feeling nostalgic:
2023 thread
2024 thread

@HoweFan it's finally here!

Have fun!
15 (1). Justin Carbonneau - RW
47 (2). Cole Reschny - C
79 (3). Mateo Nobert - C
94 (3). Maxim Agafonov - D
143 (5). Zeb Lindgren - D
175 (6). Jere Somervuori - LW
207 (7). Mikhail Fyodorov - RW
208 (7). Andrei Trofimov - G
 
Thanks Realgud for all your work. I promise to waste hour after hour on it. One thing is I couldn’t find Arvid Drott anywhere.
 
Anyone heard of or seen this kid play? Guessing no cause its quebec junior league. Theres a French podcast guy I listen to and he said if the habs drafted him hed be the habs #1c in 2-3 years and he doesnt care what the nhl does with their lists but hes #3 on his

Habs article mentioning desnoyers take

He has crazy takes sometimes lol seen trevor Connelly a bunch and was obsessed with him last season and musty the year prior

but he also had makar#1 his draft year and some others I cant recall now. Drafts are always a crapshoot but if he thinks this kid can be a 1c in 3 years guess I'll have to look out for him and maybe watch a game or 2

Montreal fan coming in peace.

That guy you're talking about is likely "Snake" Boisvert, whom I'd consider more of a sports "color commentator" with his own unique way of seeing the world and persona rather than a true scout/analyst of the game.

Boisvert was "discovered" a couple years ago by Matthias Brunet, a somewhat well-respected Hockey journalist for "La Presse", and he's been a regular on Brunet's podcast in Montreal as a media personality with quite a few crazy takes and occasionally some very good ones too.

As far as having Desnoyers 3rd in the Draft, well, I think Boisvert's a little bit "off his rocker" on this one since I don't think Desnoyers has an especially high upside offensively compared to the top-4. But at the same time he's also "got something" there in my opinion as I personally have Desnoyers 5th on my Draft list, watched a lot of his games in the Q, and been very vocal about it on the Montreal forum and elsewhere.

Simply put, Desnoyers plays such a high-level of two-way game and is so smart on the ice that he makes everyone around him better in the QMJHL as a pure center, and that will likely hold true in the NHL as well. Another quality of Desnoyers' that I like is that you can put him with anyone, on any line, and he'll be able to do very well, generally out-possess the other team while playing very well defensively at the same time.

Desnoyers is also low-key a pretty physical player out there. I mean, he won't hit or check people to oblivion like some of the more aggressive players/grinders, but the way he keeps engaging physically (shielding the puck through contact, angling opponents off, Desnoyers does a lot of that subtle "power game" type of stuff) and working his butt off all over the ice can be very difficult/annoying to deal with for the opposing team.

Desnoyers is also one of those types of prospects that NEVER sacrifices defense for offense. And he's versatile enough as to be capable of playing basically any type of role/function on your team on an offensive line, though I don't think he'd be elite at any one facet.

If you have a puck-dominant winger with crazy upside playmaking-wise, Desnoyers can be more of a facilitator, puck-support, board battle, and "one-touch" type of center for you. And he is very adept at shooting the puck as well as setting screens on goalies and fighting defenders for inside position near the goal if that is what you need.

If you're good on goalscoring, screens, and board play but need a playmaker, Desnoyers can carry the puck well and get zone entries with control for you, as well as passing the puck very well.

Desnoyers just does it all at such a high level that to me he should be a lock for a high pick in this year's Draft (e.g. I don't think the Red Wings/Canadiens have any shot at getting a pick high enough to draft Desnoyers).

Personally, if we go for projections, I think Desnoyers could be a rich man's Joel Eriksson-Ek in the NHL if he develops reasonably well.

Pick the guy with the highest upside, the time has come for homerun swings. We're already pretty deep at forward in the pipeline, our top 3 on defense is pretty much set and we have two stud goaltending prospects. Drafting high floor players has it's place of course, and I think it's been a sound plan in the case of Kasper, Danielson and MBN, but we need to start putting the chips in the middle. Teams really gain an edge when they have young, high level talent on cheap deals and that is exactly the type of bet I'd like to see this team take more often.

I literally haven't looked into this class at all beyond the top few, but I think that's going to be underlying philosophy once this draft comes into focus.

Since the Wings are likely to draft outside the top-10, I'd say that a "swing for the fences" type of pick for a forward would likely be someone like Lynden Lakovic (could be a top-6 wing with good skill/size/IQ/strength + decent skating, could bust due to shaky two-way play), although he could get taken earlier than Detroit's pick.

Another option would be Carter Bear, whom I'd have on a similar level as to what Zach Benson did in his draft year. I do like Bear's skating and frame better though.

But the absolute highest-upside pick outside the top-10 would likely be Cameron Schmidt (whom I'd personally have top-10 but most scouts will likely have him lower because they overscout height in my opinion).

Aside from being bad defensively and standing at a mere 5'7 and 170 pounds, Schmidt basically has everything you'd want from a first-line sniper in the NHL. Schmidt's skating is amongst the best in this draft so that diminishes most of the concerns around his size (at least in my opinion).

To add, I really think that Schmidt's motor offensively is very high-end, that his skill level for handling/playmaking is incredible, Schmidt's hockey sense is also very strong, and he's quite aggressive/physical for his size to boot. Schmidt's just the "whole package" offensively.

Except, with DeBrincat signed long-term Schmidt might not be the best option for Detroit as that would be too many diminutive wingers in at the same time.

Aside from those options, the Red Wings would be looking at players like Carbonneau and perhaps Spence if he's still available when they draft.

Okay, this is getting too long and I don't want to overstay my welcome.

That's about it from me, have a good night. Cheers.
 
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