NHL 2025 DRAFT - Bruins pick 7th

[bobber]

Maybe because Don Sweeney went to Harvard, he favors educated players? There once was a time when college players were shunned by the NHL because they were considered “too smart” and might organize a union or something.

I hold a bachelor of science degree myself, but changed careers to an occupation that doesn’t require a degree, but I don’t look down on my coworkers because of it. Many of them are better at what we do than I am.

The more I think of it, the more it feels like some kind of subconscious snobbery on the part of Don Sweeney.

These CHL players take education seriously. Teams have educational advisors. Some are at the top of their class. They receive education packages they can use after they leave the league. Most go to Universities to play hockey or now on to NCAA with the rules changes. I just get pissed when Sweeney goes off the board and ignores all the rankings.

 

[Absurdity]

Interesting post.
What are you basing this on?
IE is the player hitting to create separation from the puck carrier, or making a hit after the player has already passed the puck?

Martin, Desnoyers, and Frondell have more piss and vinegar in their game. Many in these threads mentioned it already, but there's this expectation that Martone can be the next Tkachuk, however, that's not who he is. He's a skills forward with a big body and frame. His hits are shoving guys once the puck is already off their stick. His reach and size are definitely positives for the other areas in his game, but if Bruins fans didn't think Frederic, Carlo, or Coyle were physical enough, neither is Martone.

 

[BruinDust]

With Martone getting a look (and PP time) with Team Canada at the Worlds its hard to envision him sliding all the way down to 7th. I think Schaefer/Misa/Martone/Hagans are all gone before the Bruins pick, although not necessarily picks 1 through 4.

I'd say it's down to a six pack of forwards.

Frondell
Eklund
Martin
O'Brien
Desnoyers
McQueen

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

These CHL players take education seriously. Teams have educational advisors. Some are at the top of their class. They receive education packages they can use after they leave the league. Most go to Universities to play hockey or now on to NCAA with the rules changes. I just get pissed when Sweeney goes off the board and ignores all the rankings.

Oh come on lol. Are you not seeing the panic about all of these top kids not being eligible for NCAA play because they don’t have their school in order? The bottom end kids fine but that’s not relevant.

 

[rfournier103]

These CHL players take education seriously. Teams have educational advisors. Some are at the top of their class. They receive education packages they can use after they leave the league. Most go to Universities to play hockey or now on to NCAA with the rules changes. I just get pissed when Sweeney goes off the board and ignores all the rankings.

Please don’t think I’m looking down at the CHL or its players’ educations. That was not the message I was trying to convey.

I just don’t think they should be overlooked.

And you’re right about Sweeney. Sometimes it feels like he has a little Bill Belichick’s personnel philosophy in him and he tries to outsmart everyone else. As was the case with Belichick, when you try to look like the smartest man in the room, you often end up looking foolish in the end.

 

[bobber]

Oh come on lol. Are you not seeing the panic about all of these top kids not being eligible for NCAA play because they don’t have their school in order? The bottom end kids fine but that’s not relevant.

Really have no idea of what your point is Marchy. My point was these CHL player get educational packages to further their education if they chose to go that route if hockey doesn't work out. Now with the new rules in place they have the option to go NCAA also. Jackson Parsons the Rangers goaltender was one of the first OHL players to use the option. He was the goaltender of the year in the OHL. Are you saying it's not relevant for the top prospects? In fact it is because only 2% or less make the NHL.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Please don’t think I’m looking down at the CHL or its players’ educations. That was not the message I was trying to convey.

I just don’t think they should be overlooked.

And you’re right about Sweeney. Sometimes it feels like he has a little Bill Belichick’s personnel philosophy in him and he tries to outsmart everyone else. As was the case with Belichick, when you try to look like the smartest man in the room, you often end up looking foolish in the end.

I want my GM to try to be as smart as he can. In any sport.

Really have no idea of what your point is Marchy. My point was these CHL player get educational packages to further their education if they chose to go that route if hockey doesn't work out. Now with the new rules in place they have the option to go NCAA also. Jackson Parsons the Rangers goaltender was one of the first OHL players to use the option. He was the goaltender of the year in the OHL. Are you saying it's not relevant for the top prospects? In fact it is because only 2% or less make the NHL.

im saying the top CHL kids don’t take school seriously as a whole. Theres a big thing about major concerns about them being eligible if they go to the NCAA route now because they don’t even have core classes done.

 

[rfournier103]

I want my GM to try to be as smart as he can. In any sport.

You must not be a Patriots fan. Bill Belichick was a master at outsmarting himself. I see a shade of that mentality in Don Sweeney.

 

[bobber]

I want my GM to try to be as smart as he can. In any sport.

im saying the top CHL kids don’t take school seriously as a whole. Theres a big thing about major concerns about them being eligible if they go to the NCAA route now because they don’t even have core classes done.

I will have to agree to disagree on that point. Carry on. I never said Sweeney wasn't smart. Just said he has a penchant to go off the board. The Bruins prospect pool is ranked near the bottom by some procrastinators. This has to have something to do with the draft situation one would think.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I will have to agree to disagree on that point. Carry on. I never said Sweeney wasn't smart. Just said he has a penchant to go off the board. The Bruins prospect pool is ranked near the bottom by some procrastinators. This has to have something to do with the draft situation one would think.

Has to do mostly with how often and where we have been drafting.

When does Sweeney reach (excluding 2015)? Lohrei I’ll grant you but that was a fantastic pick. When else has he really reached?

 

[lopey]

Maybe because Don Sweeney went to Harvard, he favors educated players? There once was a time when college players were shunned by the NHL because they were considered “too smart” and might organize a union or something.

I hold a bachelor of science degree myself, and changed careers to an occupation that doesn’t require a degree, but I don’t look down on my current coworkers because of it. Many of them are better at what we do than I am.

The more I think about it, the more it feels like some kind of subconscious snobbery on the part of Don Sweeney.

I think he wants more nhl ready players? Juniors are in minors longer. My guess

 

[GatorMike]

When does Sweeney reach (excluding 2015)? Lohrei I’ll grant you but that was a fantastic pick. When else has he really reached?

I think Beecher was considered a bit of a reach. If I recall correctly, most draft publications had him as mid-to-late 2nd round pick, and I think Sweeney took him 29th, or something like that.

Trent Frederic was also taken a round or so earlier than most people thought he'd go.

 

[DaBroons]

With Martone getting a look (and PP time) with Team Canada at the Worlds its hard to envision him sliding all the way down to 7th. I think Schaefer/Misa/Martone/Hagans are all gone before the Bruins pick, although not necessarily picks 1 through 4.

I'd say it's down to a six pack of forwards.

Frondell
Eklund
Martin
O'Brien
Desnoyers
McQueen

I agree; I see those 4 as the top 4 picks, with your first two going 1 & 2, then Martone or Hagens 3rd. Although someone else could slide in there, I think it's unlikely.

I'm convinced we'll get a very good player at 7, but not necessarily a top-line player. I'd stay away from McQueen, b/c of his injuries.

 

[DaBroons]

I think Beecher was considered a bit of a reach. If I recall correctly, most draft publications had him as mid-to-late 2nd round pick, and I think Sweeney took him 29th, or something like that.

Trent Frederic was also taken a round or so earlier than most people thought he'd go.

I wanted them to take DeBrincat instead of Frederic.

 

[Roll 4 Lines]

I will have to agree to disagree on that point. Carry on. I never said Sweeney wasn't smart. Just said he has a penchant to go off the board. The Bruins prospect pool is ranked near the bottom by some procrastinators. This has to have something to do with the draft situation one would think.

Perhaps, but it took them a while to come to this conclusion.

 

[BruinDust]

I agree; I see those 4 as the top 4 picks, with your first two going 1 & 2, then Martone or Hagens 3rd. Although someone else could slide in there, I think it's unlikely.

I'm convinced we'll get a very good player at 7, but not necessarily a top-line player. I'd stay away from McQueen, b/c of his injuries.

Of the six guys named, the two I have the most concerns about and would like the Bruins to stay away from are McQueen (very concerned about his back injury) and Martin who I think is getting way too much love for trucking 17 year olds from smaller hockey countries in blowout games at the U18s.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think Beecher was considered a bit of a reach. If I recall correctly, most draft publications had him as mid-to-late 2nd round pick, and I think Sweeney took him 29th, or something like that.

Trent Frederic was also taken a round or so earlier than most people thought he'd go.

Pronman had Beecher 32. McKenzie had him 41. Not really a big reach at that zone.

McKenzie had Freddy 54, central scouting 47. So I guess that’s fair…but hard to bang him on that when it worked no?

 

[BruinDust]

Pronman had Beecher 32. McKenzie had him 41. Not really a big reach at that zone.

McKenzie had Freddy 54, central scouting 47. So I guess that’s fair…but hard to bang him on that when it worked no?

27 year old UFA and he's the #12 forward for Edmonton in the playoffs. The least amount of ice time of any Edmonton forward the past 3 games.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

27 year old UFA and he's the #12 forward for Edmonton in the playoffs. The least amount of ice time of any Edmonton forward the past 3 games.

Ok.

That is completely irrelevant though.

 

[BruinDust]

Ok.

That is completely irrelevant though.

How is it irrelevant? Maybe the truth is Frederic is basically a JAG and I have a hard time saying that pick worked out. Was it a complete bust? No. A success story? Also a no.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

How is it irrelevant? Maybe the truth is Frederic is basically a JAG and I have a hard time saying that pick worked out. Was it a complete bust? No. A success story? Also a no.

If you can’t call that pick a success then it’s hard to even have a draft discussion. Only 5 forwards picked after him have played more games and three of those were in the fourth round or later.

 

[yazmybaby]

Martin, Desnoyers, and Frondell have more piss and vinegar in their game. Many in these threads mentioned it already, but there's this expectation that Martone can be the next Tkachuk, however, that's not who he is. He's a skills forward with a big body and frame. His hits are shoving guys once the puck is already off their stick. His reach and size are definitely positives for the other areas in his game, but if Bruins fans didn't think Frederic, Carlo, or Coyle were physical enough, neither is Martone.

I think you will find out that Martone will be a nice " power forward" when he gets to the NHL.
His offensive entry ability is excellent and has an NHL game already. It would not surprise me if he is playing in the NHL next year.
I watched him play live this year, around 15 games. His game is very consistent and you notice him all the time when he is on the ice.
He will take the body, when he has too.
Will he skate all over the ice and hit everything he sees, like Kiefer Sherwood who led the NHL in hits.
Probably not.
The Hawks would be crazy not to pick him at 3.

 

[BruinDust]

I think you will find out that Martone will be a nice " power forward" when he gets to the NHL.
His offensive entry ability is excellent and has an NHL game already. It would not surprise me if he is playing in the NHL next year.
I watched him play live this year, around 15 games. His game is very consistent and you notice him all the time when he is on the ice.
He will take the body, when he has too.
Will he skate all over the ice and hit everything he sees, like Kiefer Sherwood who led the NHL in hits.
Probably not.
The Hawks would be crazy not to pick him at 3.

He's one of the older players in this years class, will be 19 in October. I'd say he'd have a good chance to make the Hawks, and if not next year you can probably pencil him in for 2026-27 regardless of who picks him.

That Team Canada invite has boosted his stock a bit.

 

[I am Bettman]

27 year old UFA and he's the #12 forward for Edmonton in the playoffs. The least amount of ice time of any Edmonton forward the past 3 games.

23rd in his draft class in points. Way outperformed his draft position.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Sweeney’s neglect of CHL players borders on negligence. Many of the top players in the NHL today are CHL “graduates.” Yes, they’re younger and most haven’t grown into their big boy bodies yet, but that fertile talent pool just can’t be ignored. Besides, we don’t need Rhodes Scholars. We need hockey players.

But he hasn't neglected the CHL , he has drafted 6 players over the last 4 years from the CHL, plus 2 Euro players on their way to CHL.

Is it less than some teams , yes. Does that mean they are neglecting the CHL, no.