bellagiobob
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Can you imagine? Next door neighbours could find themselves experiencing so much relief and yet so much sadness due to the selective nature of loss.having family there, they are amazed my cousins apartment survived, but my uncles house went. My uncle thought aspects of it were related to trees and catchable things near by. He was in the zone in the map you see that is all red. But, he said his neighbors survived, and it may have been the two big trees in his lawn that helped fuel it.
why would NP be responsible for forest management? Shouldn’t that be handled by the Canadian forest services which is an arm of resources Canada?
The issue is that this federal government is beholden to eco nuts who scream bloody murder any time a tree is cut down and who don’t understand how critical programs like selective logging are.
Feds had been getting warned for years about this exact situation but they never acted because they knew if they did they’d have a bunch of their dwindling base of voters coalescing in Jasper chaining themselves to trees to protest logging in a national park.
Banff and Jasper combined have more visitation and collect more revenue than the rest of the parks in the nation combined. However much of this revenue does not stay in the two most important parks its allocated to the rest of the Park System and one that has had a missive to basically overreach and try to make more parks and preserves than can be funded, that are even possible to fund and maintain.
Coincidence that people are mentioning the pine beetles and failure of government to respond, then I run into this. Pretty good video breaking the problem down.
Again much of the SQ footage of protected NP lands in Canada are in remote areas that barely get any visitors. They are just essentially preserves. No services, next to no visitation.Sure?
But even if Jasper NP and Banff NP provide 95% of the revenue for Parks Canada, the disparity of only 25% means that they're probably not making enough money to support themselves. This is pure speculation of course because Parks Canada does not track/publish individual park revenue.
Either way, if we're going to bite off this amount of protected land, we need to chew. The fact that the US Park Service has a comparable number of parks and protected areas and Parks Canada has not even a 1/3rd of their budget means that there's gonna be massive gaps in maintenance and preservation.
The answer is more money and more staff. Where that comes from? Who knows.
lol the only reason removal of trees has to go through a review process is DUE to the National Park rules. The rules they create, the bureaucracy they create, so that even a homeowner in a National Park has to go through a process ordeal just to remove a tree in their backyard, on their own property that they pay handsomely for.Nope it's Parks Canada that's in charge.
The rest is a assumption. I think the Libs do have to kowtow to the greenies a bit but ultimately they're not getting those votes anyways since they're either voting green party or NDP.
The real answer is that Parks Canada doesn't have the funding and as a result, the staff, to adequately manage the forests of all national parks. On top of that, any tree being removed has to go through a review process. There's not enough time, political will or money for Parks Canada to do this.
Do you have a source to the bolded? All governments have priorities and limited means, but this government has found lots of funding for questionable programs. I won’t get into politics, but am curious as to a source to this statement you made.Nope it's Parks Canada that's in charge.
The rest is a assumption. I think the Libs do have to kowtow to the greenies a bit but ultimately they're not getting those votes anyways since they're either voting green party or NDP.
The real answer is that Parks Canada doesn't have the funding and as a result, the staff, to adequately manage the forests of all national parks. On top of that, any tree being removed has to go through a review process. There's not enough time, political will or money for Parks Canada to do this.
I don’t the problem is limited to “this government”. The Con governments were no different. As unpalatable as this is to some.Do you have a source to the bolded? All governments have priorities and limited means, but this government has found lots of funding for questionable programs. I won’t get into politics, but am curious as to a source to this statement you made.
I don’t the problem is limited to “this government”. The Con governments were no different. As unpalatable as this is to some.
It’s funny that some pin the problem on only the most recent government.
You may be correct. Although current government isn’t new. They have lead government since 2015. Lots of time to make it a priority if they want to. Just curious as to the source of the statement.Do you have a source to the bolded? All governments have priorities and limited means, but this government has found lots of funding for questionable programs. I won’t get into politics, but am curious as to a source to this statement you made.
The source of the statement is the policy hasn't changed for years, if ever. The problem is not a new one that just popped up. Governments of all stripes dropped the ball on forest management for years. Particularly since the Pine Beetle infestation that actually started in the 80's.You may be correct. Although current government isn’t new. They have lead government since 2015. Lots of time to make it a priority if they want to. Just curious as to the source of the statement.
That's exactly what I'm getting at.
A big thing absolutely nobody is talking about (and I mean NOBODY) is the fact the Canadian economy is completely stagnant. Right now the biggest thing Canada creates is real estate investments and educated professionals. Neither of which contributes to long-term economic prosperity.
Canada's productivity has seen ZERO growth in the last 6 years and has fallen SIGNIFICANTLY compared to other G7 nations. We're only second to Italy when it comes to productivity decline. We're not making shit. Companies aren't coming here. New companies aren't being created. This isn't even new, our productivity decline began FOURTY YEARS AGO. Source
A government actually committed to turning the ship around would be pointing this out and deliberately making it easier to invest in Canada and reduce the barriers of entry by encouraging competition. But has the Liberals, Conservatives or NDP said anything about this? No. Because those who profit most off a unproductive and uncompetitive economy are the ones pouring money into their campaigns.
> government employees are useless
> burn down the entirety of the river valley
...this is a joke right?
Odd that you bring that up by I recall last year they were doing prescribed burns in the Jasper area. Probably just not doing enough of that type of work.Why dont you ever hear about controlled burns.
I used to remember hearing about those yearly when growing up, and never had these forest fire issues.
Do you have a source to the bolded? All governments have priorities and limited means, but this government has found lots of funding for questionable programs. I won’t get into politics, but am curious as to a source to this statement you made.
Because the crews they have now start a "controlled burn" and lose control of it. Have several times just in JNP. Take that how you will.Why dont you ever hear about controlled burns.
I used to remember hearing about those yearly when growing up, and never had these forest fire issues.
To the rescue! This is awesome.
Edit - Mrs5 tells me this video is from a few years ago so apparently this YegWave is full of shit.
Pretty cool nonetheless
We have reciprocal agreements with a lot of nations that are in the southern hemisphere. The reason being is our fire seasons are flipped
I mean that video address SOME issues, but it has a pretty clear anti-Liberal spin to it.
The guy mentions El Nino but fails to mention how the last 2 El Ninos (2016, 2023) led to the highest yearly world temperatures ever recorded. Also doesn't mention the massive extended heat spells that occurred those years that broke records all over the place.
That's climate change.
The expansion of the pine beetle population is also due to a warming climate. They use to be contained to lower elevations in the rockies and cascades primarily attacking lodgepole and ponderosa pines. However, warmer and drier years has led to them being able to survive in areas where historically they wouldn't. The northern forests of Alberta (High Level, Fort Chip, etc.) and the NWT have had significant increases of pine beetle infestations. Drier years also mean less sap in trees which is the primary defensive mechanism trees have for the beetles. Heck BC is almost devoid of lodgepole pines in some areas because they haven't had cold enough winters to kill the beetles.
So could Parks Canada do a better job at getting rid of dead trees? Yes. But let's not pretend that that's the only reason why these disasters keep happening.
Even the controlled/prescibed burns may not be enough anymore to prevent future burning of Banff and Canmore. A lot of these actions are going to be a number of years before they really have much of an effect. I just read an article where it was stated at the time Jasper and Banff became designated as NP's, there was a lot of prairie grass in them and around them. When fires started they spread into the grass and then petered out. It was like a natural fire barrier. However, once humans came in they made sure the trees just grew out of control and filled in all the prairie grass, so any natural barriers disappeared. Fast forward 100 years and you have thick boreal forest of various conditions in the place of what was once grass.Odd that you bring that up by I recall last year they were doing prescribed burns in the Jasper area. Probably just not doing enough of that type of work.
True dat. A whole bunch of causes. Anybody who puts their head in the sand going "nah nah nah" to any of them is a dolt.Agree to the bolded, but it works both ways. Some shrill voices need to realize that climate change isn't the main and only thing causing this as well.