OT: 2024 Weather Thread

Stoneman89

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Camped in Whistler once, and it was likely one of the worst campgrounds we'd ever been in. Might as well have just stuck us in a parking lot. Doubt there was a lot of trees destroyed in the campground itself since there were next to none there before. Still, unfortunate that they sustained damage since other people still have obviously used it.

Lots of rain happened and also coming. Another hot spell this week meant we really needed it.
 

Drivesaitl

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Amongst other things the hail storms are a massive downfall of ,iving in Calgary. They get just pummeled. I have no idea why vinyl sided homes are even insurable down there anymore.
Yep. Been saying this for years. But every developer tries to pretend that vinyl siding holds up just as well and some say its better. Better at what? Hardieboard, Brick, Stucco are all better exteriors that hold up better to all weather conditions. Even wind can damage vinyl siding. You don't even need the hail.

But its cheap and quick installation and the industry will continue to do anything possible to dupe that its a reasonable product. Vinyl siding is acceptable in locations that don't get any severe weather. Calgary is not such a place and never has been.

In Calgary its Hail storms, floods, sheer winds etc. Of course theres going to be flooding in Calgary. Semi arid foothills with negligible water absorption will of course contribute to flooding in any lower lying area, and Calgary DT and east is low lying, lol

Would never live there.

Ironically Calgary real estate prices much higher than Edmonton for the pleasure of getting all these intense storms and annual, every f***ing year property damage.
 
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K1984

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Yep. Been saying this for years. But every developer tries to pretend that vinyl siding holds up just as well and some say its better. Better at what? Hardieboard, Brick, Stucco are all better exteriors that hold up better to all weather conditions. Even wind can damage vinyl siding. You don't even need the hail.

But its cheap and quick insulation and the industry will continue to do anything possible to dupe that its a reasonable product. Vinyl siding is acceptable in locations that don't get any severe weather. Calgary is not such a place and never has been.

In Calgary its Hail storms, floods, sheer winds etc. Of course theres going to be flooding in Calgary. Semi arid foothills with negligible water absorption will of course contribute to flooding in any lower lying area, and Calgary DT and east is low lying, lol

Would never live there.

Ironically Calgary real estate prices much higher than Edmonton for the pleasure of getting all these intense storms and annual, every f***ing year property damage.

Basically any property loss in the realm of hail, flooding, or natural disaster is slowly, but surely becoming uninsurable in southern Alberta.
 
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Drivesaitl

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Basically any property loss in the realm of hail, flooding, or natural disaster is slowly, but surely becoming uninsurable in southern Alberta.
Yet the way the insurance industry operates everybody tends to get hit. I live in an area of relative high ground, with an all stucco exterior, Thick Stucco that would last 100years as a building envelope and I'd pay much the same as somebody with Vinyl siding living on a commonly flooded area that is in major storm path.

So that I'd welcome not all this being covered. It isn't just calamity or disaster when Vinyl damaging and vehicle damaging events are common in Calgary.

Last pet peeve but I would think a vehicle in garage all the time and never parked outside should get a better insurance rate than somebody without a garage. I mean people pay dearly to build garages to protect their vehicular investment. Why isn't that any consideration?
 
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Yet the way the insurance industry operates everybody tends to get hit. I live in an area of relative high ground, with an all stucco exterior, Thick Stucco that would last 100years as a building envelope and I'd pay much the same as somebody with Vinyl siding living on a commonly flooded area that is in major storm path.

So that I'd welcome not all this being covered. It isn't just calamity or disaster when Vinyl damaging and vehicle damaging events are common in Calgary.

Last pet peeve but I would think a vehicle in garage all the time and never parked outside should get a better insurance rate than somebody without a garage. I mean people pay dearly to build garages to protect their vehicular investment. Why isn't that any consideration?
While it's true that the losses of the few are covered by the premiums of the many, as the principal of insurance, there will also be a price to pay down south specifically. The premiums will continue to go up, the deductibles will continue to go up for weather related occurances, and certain conditions will work their way into it. I can see where metal roofs will become the norm, polished concrete basement finishes all the rage, etc.
 
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For all the chinooks that they claim they get, it sure seems like Calgary gets hit with alot more severe weather than Edmonton... like flooding, hail storms, heavy snow....
 
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joestevens29

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For all the chinooks that they claim they get, it sure seems like Calgary gets hit with alot more severe weather than Edmonton... like flooding, hail storms, heavy snow....
Not only Calgary, look at the shit storms they get in Ontario all the time too. Yet Edmonton always gets blasted as the place players didn't want to play because of shit weather.
 

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Yep. Been saying this for years. But every developer tries to pretend that vinyl siding holds up just as well and some say its better. Better at what? Hardieboard, Brick, Stucco are all better exteriors that hold up better to all weather conditions. Even wind can damage vinyl siding. You don't even need the hail.

But its cheap and quick insulation and the industry will continue to do anything possible to dupe that its a reasonable product. Vinyl siding is acceptable in locations that don't get any severe weather. Calgary is not such a place and never has been.

In Calgary its Hail storms, floods, sheer winds etc. Of course theres going to be flooding in Calgary. Semi arid foothills with negligible water absorption will of course contribute to flooding in any lower lying area, and Calgary DT and east is low lying, lol

Would never live there.

Ironically Calgary real estate prices much higher than Edmonton for the pleasure of getting all these intense storms and annual, every f***ing year property damage.

Vinyl siding is better at being cheap, that’s about the only reason they use it (and they don’t give a shit that it costs people more to repair it or insurance being jacked up from it getting damaged annually by hail in Calgary)
 

Sra1974

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Vinyl siding is better at being cheap, that’s about the only reason they use it (and they don’t give a shit that it costs people more to repair it or insurance being jacked up from it getting damaged annually by hail in Calgary)
Yeah the awesome part is we all end up paying for those material choices in increased insurance costs.
 

Sra1974

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The customers are not willing to pay more to get an upgraded siding.
They will be once their insurance company stops amortizing the costs across all of us and says to them, we are happy to insure your house but you live in a high risk area with a high risk material on your house. You are not insured for hail damage. The building industry will change then,
 

Tobias Kahun

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Yep. Been saying this for years. But every developer tries to pretend that vinyl siding holds up just as well and some say its better. Better at what? Hardieboard, Brick, Stucco are all better exteriors that hold up better to all weather conditions. Even wind can damage vinyl siding. You don't even need the hail.

But its cheap and quick installation and the industry will continue to do anything possible to dupe that its a reasonable product. Vinyl siding is acceptable in locations that don't get any severe weather. Calgary is not such a place and never has been.

In Calgary its Hail storms, floods, sheer winds etc. Of course theres going to be flooding in Calgary. Semi arid foothills with negligible water absorption will of course contribute to flooding in any lower lying area, and Calgary DT and east is low lying, lol

Would never live there.

Ironically Calgary real estate prices much higher than Edmonton for the pleasure of getting all these intense storms and annual, every f***ing year property damage.
Hardieboard was having a hard time holding up to the storm last night.

Glad I got a house with stucco
 

Drivesaitl

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The customers are not willing to pay more to get an upgraded siding.
Its possible this is the case. But its also that the industry loves to build "award winning houses" with the most expensive interior finishes possible, making houses extremely expensive with granite counters, hardwood floors, best of everything in lighting and appliances, while building these in the worst house envelopes possible. Its nuts, but its what has been going on for decades.

The thought of curb appeal is largely gone.

A little less spending on the interior elements and spending an extra 40K for stucco (now around that for these giant houses.) This is the thing too is that Vinyl cladding has paved the way for a lot of these giant 2500 ft homes.

In Laurel, the ugliest area of the city possible tons of these monstrosities exist. All looking the same. Different shades of vinyl siding being the only way to tell houses apart in the daytime... Ironically these all build up in the very path that the 87 Black Friday tornado took. These are houses of cards. Next, on smaller lots and so close together that vinyl catches fire on one house, the other goes up in flames. How code even allows these houses to be built so close together and so close to property line is reprehensible. No standards here, and disasters waiting to happen.
 
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Drivesaitl

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They will be once their insurance company stops amortizing the costs across all of us and says to them, we are happy to insure your house but you live in a high risk area with a high risk material on your house. You are not insured for hail damage. The building industry will change then,
Unfortunately as well the building industry and vinyl cladding manufacturers as well can just pay for, and do, to get studies falsely saying that their product is just as resilient as other better sidings. This has constantly been going on anytime the issue props up. But the dumb consumers have to stop being dumb as well. Stop buying them. Realize how poor that exterior is. People get duped into what the manufacturers are telling them.
 
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Arty Spooners Bsmnt

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Its possible this is the case. But its also that the industry loves to build "award winning houses" with the most expensive interior finishes possible, making houses extremely expensive with granite counters, hardwood floors, best of everything in lighting and appliances, while building these in the worst house envelopes possible. Its nuts, but its what has been going on for decades.

The thought of curb appeal is largely gone.

A little less spending on the interior elements and spending an extra 40K for stucco (now around that for these giant houses.) This is the thing too is that Vinyl cladding has paved the way for a lot of these giant 2500 ft homes.

In Laurel, the ugliest area of the city possible tons of these monstrosities exist. All looking the same. Different shades of vinyl siding being the only way to tell houses apart in the daytime... Ironically these all build up in the very path that the 87 Black Friday tornado took. These are houses of cards. Next, on smaller lots and so close together that vinyl catches fire on one house, the other goes up in flames. How code even allows these houses to be built so close together and so close to property line is reprehensible. No standards here, and disasters waiting to happen.
I think curb appeal left us once lots got small and garages moved to the front of the lot.
 
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Unfortunately as well the building industry and vinyl cladding manufacturers as well can just pay for, and do, to get studies falsely saying that their product is just as resilient as other better sidings. This has constantly been going on anytime the issue props up. But the dumb consumers have to stop being dumb as well. Stop buying them. Realize how poor that exterior is. People get duped into what the manufacturers are telling them.
edit, i should learn to keep it to myself - carry on
 
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