OT: 2024 Washington Commanders thread: change we can believe in!

[Bananas]

With the status of our roster, much of the fan base is comfortable with us coming out of the 2025 draft with a late second round pick and a couple of 7ths. You can’t have draft picks “age in” to your roster if you don’t have any drafted players. But OK then. I rest my case.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Here's my main point, I'd welcome data which shows differently: When teams trade multiple assets for one player, and that player isn't a QB (Stafford), how often does the team trading those multiple assets for that one player, actually improve? Particularly when that one team is a "close, but not yet a SB winner type", like we are suggesting that we currently are? Thinking Bills, Ravens, Packers, Eagles, or really any of the recent playoff teams that have made this kind of move.

About being an entire roster away from beating Philly, I'll restate it: They are much better than us in every roster area, every position group, except QB. I get that QB is most important but they have a pretty good one also. Everywhere else, they are better than we are. Until that changes, we may just have to hope that Hurts gets hurt like he did when we beat them this year. We never beat Hurts this year and neither game was especially close.

You’re adding a lot of conditions. It’s not that complicated from my view. Are you saying teams that trade multiple picks for players, it never works out? Players never do well, they never are positive impacts to what they as individuals can impact on the team?

Because all I’m suggesting in a Myles Garrett add, is that he would perform well, and be an immediate star-type player insertion for at least 2-3 more years. He would impact that side of the ball like few others in the NFL could immediately.

They need to do a lot more work to win a Super Bowl, not denying that.

Lastly….take away Barkley and it’s a much more level IMO in terms of competitiveness. I’d bet on us without Barkley in the game.

 

[Ajax1995]

It will never happen unless JD goes diva on them. They will negotiate in good faith and lock this kid up if he keeps playing like he started off.

Yeah that was the previous regime, which was guaranteed to f*** everything up. I’m not worried one bit.

 

[EroCaps]

KK will probably not be here again after this upcoming season, he will eventually take another head coaching job. We shouldn't base the acquisition of weapons on whether they fit his scheme or not.

Peters came from a similar scheme in San Francisco. KK or not I’d bet against them paying for one dimensional players.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

With the status of our roster, much of the fan base is comfortable with us coming out of the 2025 draft with a late second round pick and a couple of 7ths. You can’t have draft picks “age in” to your roster if you don’t have any drafted players. But OK then. I rest my case.

I’d think next year’s 2nd-4th would be seen as more valuable given our tougher schedule and it being (statistically) unlikely we get back to the NFC Championship again.

So we can definitely spread out the pain and maybe even send out one of our $20 mil D tackles in the same trade.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Peters 1st season in SF he traded for Trent Williams and CMC. Used pretty much all his picks on them. I think that went OK...

 

[Ridley Simon]

Peters came from a similar scheme in San Francisco. KK or not I’d bet against them paying for one dimensional players.

Ok I will bite. How is Tee Higgins “one dimensional”?

 

[kicksavedave]

Peters 1st season in SF he traded for Trent Williams and CMC. Used pretty much all his picks on them. I think that went OK...

Peters was not the GM in SF. And Trent Williams was an absolute fire sale. He was practically free, from the 49ers standpoint. A 5th round pick that year and a next years 3rd round pick. Hey if Cleveland wants to do that trade with us, sign me up all day long.


They won't.

Wow, CMM was also traded for a pile of magic beans. A 2, 3, and 4 in the upcoming draft and a 5th the following year.


So yeah, sign me up for trading no first round picks to get All Pro players, would love that. But its unlikely Cleveland gives us such a gift.

 

[ynotcaps]

This is the only negative about this whole jayden deal, the last thing we need is another cousins drama situation

I think that's kinda' comparing apples and jackhammers.

Cousins was drama because he was competent-to-good, and we hadn't even had that level of QB in forever. The money the market demanded that we (or anyone else) pay him was far beyond what it should have been for his level of player.

JD has already shown he's a QB at least 2 orders of magnitude better than KC -- and he's already won twice as many playoff games. He'll be one of the very QBs in the modern game who will be somewhere near the value of the contract he, ahem, commands.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

With Myles alot will have to do with his new contract. Not many teams have the money to make him the highest paid D player in league history and have picks to trade. He could tank his own trade value and pick where he wants to play and get paid.

 

[EroCaps]

Peters was not the GM in SF. And Trent Williams was an absolute fire sale. He was practically free, from the 49ers standpoint. A 5th round pick that year and a next years 3rd round pick. Hey if Cleveland wants to do that trade with us, sign me up all day long.


They won't.

Wow, CMM was also traded for a pile of magic beans. A 2, 3, and 4 in the upcoming draft and a 5th the following year.


So yeah, sign me up for trading no first round picks to get All Pro players, would love that. But it’s unlikely Cleveland gives us such a gift.

Yeah, I’d agree with you but there are exceptions to every rule. The exception to this rule is trading for arguably the best defensive player in the league, probable HOFer still in his prime.

 

[Neil Racki]

Myles would be great.

Id settle for an edge setting run stopper like Zaven Collins type 2/14M

 

[g00n]

Well maybe if we swapped OL as well. Those long runs by SB, he had holes that you or I could have run through. They scored 55. It wasn't just because of one player.

Come on, my dude. Barkley is a f***ing stud. He KILLED us.

If the OL deserves so much credit then why was Barkley so much better than every other RB on the Eagles roster?

 

[ynotcaps]

JFC, Jahan Dotson averaged THIRTEEN YARDS per carry -- how the eff did we let that guy go?!?!?!?

 

[kicksavedave]

Come on, my dude. Barkley is a f***ing stud. He KILLED us.

If the OL deserves so much credit then why was Barkley so much better than every other RB on the Eagles roster?

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If Barkley was solely responsible for his success last year why did he only average 4.3 yards per carry over his six years with the Giants, then 5.8 with the Eagles?

SB is obviously much better than his backups, but he didn't do this nearly record breaking season on his own. His OL was by far #1 in the NFL across the board.

 

[g00n]

If Barkley was solely responsible for his success last year why did he only average 4.3 yards per carry over his six years with the Giants, then 5.8 with the Eagles?

SB is obviously much better than his backups, but he didn't do this nearly record breaking season on his own. His OL was by far #1 in the NFL across the board.

He was hurt a lot when he was a Giant and he was healthy all year in PHI. He also likes it there while NYG was dysfunctional with no passing game worth a shit to open things up for him.

Plus have you SEEN that dude run??

 

[kicksavedave]

He was hurt a lot when he was a Giant and he was healthy all year in PHI. He also likes it there while NYG was dysfunctional with no passing game worth a shit to open things up for him.

Plus have you SEEN that dude run??

You're going to really great lengths to not say that the Philly OL was even a tiny bit responsible for his huge success. Its ok to admit they helped each other.

 

[Jags]

This is the only negative about this whole jayden deal, the last thing we need is another cousins drama situation

Nah, you keep the relationship super healthy by paying him right when the time comes. Make him the highest paid blah blah blah ever, 3 seasons later he'll be like the 8th highest and the cap will have risen, and because you treated him right and are otherwise keeping the team competitive around him, he's happy to restructure when things get dicey. Keep him happy and this never needs to be an issue. Keep him healthy and it'll be worth every penny and then some.

About being an entire roster away from beating Philly, I'll restate it: They are much better than us in every roster area, every position group, except QB.

Because they have to be. You'd be the first to tell us (ask us how we know) that their QB is no Jayden Daniels. We shore up our defensive line (especially with a monster like MG) and DBs and they won't win the turnover battle 4-zip. We can be in those games. And you'd be the first to tell us (ask us how we know) that if you can give JD a chance to win in the end, the kid is a killer.

You don't need to be stacked at every position to beat teams that are. And teams that are can't afford to stay that way for long. And improving our team means we'll have more weapons of our own that THEY will have to deal with, on both sides of the ball. The Giants proved twice that you can beat better teams on the biggest stage by disrupting what they do and forcing them to adjust to and stop you.

Lastly….take away Barkley and it’s a much more level IMO in terms of competitiveness. I’d bet on us without Barkley in the game.

And history suggests that Barkley will miss as many games as he plays. (Seems mean-spirited to put a winky face here, but just know that my eye is doing it involuntarily.) (Maybe I'm dead inside.) (Or a psychopath.)

 

[g00n]

You're going to really great lengths to not say that the Philly OL was even a tiny bit responsible for his huge success. Its ok to admit they helped each other.

Of course they did, that's obvious, but you're totally downplaying SB's talent and over hyping the OL in order to keep up the "we're not one piece away" angle.

WFT have a better offense than the NYG team SB ran for. Yes?

 

[kicksavedave]

Of course they did, that's obvious, but you're totally downplaying SB's talent and over hyping the OL in order to keep up the "we're not one piece away" angle.

WFT have a better offense than the NYG team SB ran for. Yes?

I'm NOT downplaying his talent, he's twice the RB that Brob is, if not more, which simply adds to the "We're not one player away" argument, not detracts from it.

We have holes everywhere. JD masked a lot of those but the Eagles exposed them all.