OT: 2024 Washington Commanders thread: change we can believe in!

[John Price]

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Pass on Kupp. Hes old now

 

[Ridley Simon]

Pass on Kupp. Hes old now

What’s his contract? That’s the issue. I’d send a 6 for 7 swap or something similar if it’s not horrible

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

What’s his contract? That’s the issue. I’d send a 6 for 7 swap or something similar if it’s not horrible

I wouldnt be making many moves before we figure out how much we have to pay the Browns and Myles

But a late round pick swap for Kupp could work

Im just not sure we should be trading all the picks. Lattimore cost us a few mid rounders. Myles will be 2 high ones. That doesnt leave much left to add young depth

 

[Ridley Simon]

I wouldnt be making many moves before we figure out how much we have to pay the Browns and Myles

But a late round pick swap for Kupp could work

Allen is gone, IMO. Myles would be the same salary slot.

Wylie is also gone, imo. We can get a cheaper back up QB, and redo Terry’s contract.

We have a LOT of room to make shit happen

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

What’s his contract? That’s the issue. I’d send a 6 for 7 swap or something similar if it’s not horrible

Cooper Kupp | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Cooper Kupp signed a 3 year, $80,100,000 contract with the Los Angeles Rams, including $20,000,000 signing bonus, $75,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $26,700,000. In 2025, Kupp will earn a base salary of $12,500,000 and a roster bonus of $7,500,000, while carrying a cap...

www.spotrac.com

Not that pretty at his age…29.8 next year, 27.3 the year after. This is the out year of his deal.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Cooper Kupp | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Cooper Kupp signed a 3 year, $80,100,000 contract with the Los Angeles Rams, including $20,000,000 signing bonus, $75,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $26,700,000. In 2025, Kupp will earn a base salary of $12,500,000 and a roster bonus of $7,500,000, while carrying a cap...

www.spotrac.com

Not that pretty at his age…29.8 next year, 27.3 the year after. This is the out year of his deal.

Yeah. I’m out. Thanks for showing me

 

[Bananas]

We don’t need to trade for Garrett.

 

[usiel]

Tre Harris has some nice size.

 

[RedRocking]

No on Kupp, unless we really need vet options down the line.

With Garrett - I do wonder what aging curves are like for every down monsters like him, the Watts, the Bossas, as they hit 30. Chris Jones is 30 now. JJ Watt retired at 33.

How many more years of elite play would we get? We aren’t in a “one piece away” situation.

 

[Ridley Simon]

No on Kupp, unless we really need vet options down the line.

With Garrett - I do wonder what aging curves are like for every down monsters like him, the Watts, the Bossas, as they hit 30. Chris Jones is 30 now. JJ Watt retired at 33.

How many more years of elite play would we get? We aren’t in a “one piece away” situation.

I think if we trade Allen (like salary), and some form of futures, it would work for both teams.

It’s what the “form of futures” looks like. Obv the 1st?

Or is that better served on WR Garrett Wilson?

Or is that better served on trying to get OT Ronnie Stanley, by sending away salary so we can add him? (So back to an Allen being moved out, or even a Payne).

It’s a really deep DT draft. Tons of players listed. More than most positions.

So?

 

[RedRocking]

I think if we trade Allen (like salary), and some form of futures, it would work for both teams.

It’s what the “form of futures” looks like. Obv the 1st?

Or is that better served on WR Garrett Wilson?

Or is that better served on trying to get OT Ronnie Stanley, by sending away salary so we can add him? (So back to an Allen being moved out, or even a Payne).

It’s a really deep DT draft. Tons of players listed. More than most positions.

So?

I think Allen is a goner no matter what, I don’t think he has much trade value. His contract allows us to cut bait and save $. Payne not so much - he’s been a bit disappointing, but still reliably eats double teams and is our best run stopping DT.

For Garrett, I’m guessing (w Russini’s comments) it would be our 1st + a 2nd/3rd next year as a starting point. He’s a tremendous player, but at some point we need to actually do the “team building” thing with our picks for the long term.

JD’s development is still my primary concern. Teams will be better prepared for him next year. So whatever we can do to make his life easier. Like sign Stanley at LT (with $ saved from cutting Allen) and draft a dynamic RB in 3rd-5th.

At WR, I’d really prefer to add a known commodity (Higgins, GW, DK, Godwin, Hollywood Brown) than draft a guy who may need dev time like LMC.

I have more patience for developing guys on the other side of the ball. Take an EDGE like Mike Green with our 1st - don’t need him to be a star right away. Could also just sign Josh Sweat away from Eagles to help that position.

Sorry such a long post - it’s A LOT of plates in the air, and so many ways to use our considerable resources.

 

[robertmac43]

With Garrett - I do wonder what aging curves are like for every down monsters like him, the Watts, the Bossas, as they hit 30. Chris Jones is 30 now. JJ Watt retired at 33.

I would hope we get 2 great years and 1 good year... But you never know, the grind and small injuries start to really hit when you turn 30.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

I think we want to draft a RB



Tight Ends

 

[Ridley Simon]

I think we want to draft a RB



Tight Ends

Fannin is going to go early. Would need to be our pick at 29 — IF he is even still there

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I think we want to draft a RB



Tight Ends

Wow that is Jim Lachey’s kid…..

 

[kicksavedave]

Wow that is Jim Lachey’s kid…..

Yeah but not Jim Lachey's size. He's a mediocre TE, looks around a 6th round pick maybe.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Yeah but not Jim Lachey's size. He's a mediocre TE, looks around a 6th round pick maybe.

I don’t think so. Closer to late 4th early 5th.

But I’m a Lachey honk (Dad, not kid), so am biased

 

[RedRocking]

I think we want to draft a RB

Devin Neal

 

[Ridley Simon]

Devin Neal

No good or? I don’t know squat about him

 

[RedRocking]

No good or? I don’t know squat about him

I’m randomly high on him. He’s a real patient, smart runner. Reminds me of Le’Veon Bell.

 

[ynotcaps]

I'm in a really, really weird place now.

Usually I have all sorts of feels of who we must -- or must not -- draft, what FAs we must (or not) pursue, what trades we absolutely should (not) pursue and what assets to use (or not.)

Right now, I am almost completely lacking in conviction on any of it.

My armchair psychologist conclusion is, this must be what it feels like to NOT know for an absolute certainty that you are smarter than your team's FO, and that if they don't follow your guidance, they will irretrievably f*** everything up.

 

[Kazer]

I'm in a really, really weird place now.

Usually I have all sorts of feels of who we must -- or must not -- draft, what FAs we must (or not) pursue, what trades we absolutely should (not) pursue and what assets to use (or not.)

Right now, I am almost completely lacking in conviction on any of it.

My armchair psychologist conclusion is, this must be what it feels like to NOT know for an absolute certainty that you are smarter than your team's FO, and that if they don't follow your guidance, they will irretrievably f*** everything up.

Been fortunate to be close friends with many Ravens fans, and they always had the saying 'In Ozzie we Trust' which extends also to DeCosta.

This is the first time in my lifetime of being a Commanders fan I feel the same way about our front office.

Not that they have been perfect - Lattimore is a work-in-progress; Sinnott looks meh; the kicking situation was a mess last year. But they've made so many good moves (Wagner, Biadasz, Sainristil, JD, Coleman, Ekeler, Mariota, jettisoning Davis and Dotson) I have faith that they will, in aggregate, make more good moves than bad moving forward.

 

[ynotcaps]

Been fortunate to be close friends with many Ravens fans, and they always had the saying 'In Ozzie we Trust' which extends also to DeCosta.

This is the first time in my lifetime of being a Commanders fan I feel the same way about our front office.

Not that they have been perfect - Lattimore is a work-in-progress; Sinnott looks meh; the kicking situation was a mess last year. But they've made so many good moves (Wagner, Biadasz, Sainristil, JD, Coleman, Ekeler, Mariota, jettisoning Davis and Dotson) I have faith that they will, in aggregate, make more good moves than bad moving forward.

Agreed. It's unreasonable to expect a 1.000 win percentage on personnel, but we were below .500 for long (and, at times, WAY below .500) that this regime feels like a Godsend.

 

[kicksavedave]

Agreed. It's unreasonable to expect a 1.000 win percentage on personnel, but we were below .500 for long (and, at times, WAY below .500) that this regime feels like a Godsend.

I mean, lets be reality, there were a few seasons when they batted .000 on personnel. It brings up a good question, what is a reasonable expectation for a great FO to hit on? .750 overall (draft and FA). 500? We all know that not every draft pick will make it, not everyone will become a stud starter, some are destined to be mediocre starters or backups, journeymen types. But what is a really good hit rate for a Super Bowl hopeful FO to actually hit on? Obviously as well the expectations for a 1st or 2nd are different than a 7th or UDFA.

Would take more energy than I have these days to cycle through the Chiefs, Ravens and Eagles drafts/transactions over 10 years to compare them to say, Ron Rivera's but it would be entertaining to see the results.