OT: 2024 Washington Commanders thread: change we can believe in!

[HTFN]

That’s hyperbole.

Gronk? YES
Welker? NO
Moss? YES (but 7 of his best 10 seasons were not in NE)
Edelman? NO
Amendola? LOL
Evans? Meh…. Doubt it.

Hyperbole my friend. Big time.

The minute you expand this discussion past HOF talent (and I’m not sure why that’s where the line was drawn in this thread) this stops being a conversation.

Welker was a 5 time pro-bowler and twice all-pro while in New England, Edelman is like second in postseason receiving yards all-time (and yeah, playing more games helps but nobody should get marked down for winning) and made a career of showing up with big catches. There were a few leaner years, but those guys aren’t bad players, a prime Wes Welker would easily be one of the top targets on this team.

In fact I’d say it’s arguable that the Patriots made use of their WR2/Slot receiver being much better than league average and letting Brady read matchup hell for the defense. Another pro-bowl caliber receiver would be invaluable for Kingsbury and Daniels to do the same, especially since Daniels can run.

So are they all Hall? No, but still very good and not JAGs. I think the only way I’d be reluctant to add is if they felt like McCaffery or someone can get there fairly quickly.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

That’s hyperbole.

Gronk? YES
Welker? NO
Moss? YES (but 7 of his best 10 seasons were not in NE) (irrelevant, did he have HOF talents to play with or not? Yes/no. Moss is the easiest answer yes.). The others were just great.
Edelman? NO
Amendola? LOL
Evans? Meh…. Doubt it.

Hyperbole my friend. Big time.

I didn’t say only on offense….and Evan’s will be a HOFer assuming his career doesn’t end prematurely. We’ll see. He was most certainly a top end/elite WR for Brady.

How many guys does JD currently have that can even possibly get close to a sniff of that kind of talent and production today, 1?

…and btw I never said those guys on that list were all HOFers, read carefully again, the HOF talent comment was after the list (which is obviously not all inclusive). If you took my follow up HOF comment to mean that list was all HOFer, apologies, that wasn’t my intention and I would have specified if so.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Yeah I mean who knows what a Billionaire is thinking. He may also be seeing things he doesn’t like, things that we have no view of.

What if he already knows Rodgers might be done after this year. Do you sit on your hands or try to alter the course of the ship?

Personally? I’m tanking if I’m them. The Rodgers gamble failed. Retaining the current losers has the benefits of losing while maintaining integrity. -which is what Harris wisely did with Rivera despite Rivera obviously sucking.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Personally? I’m tanking if I’m them. The Rodgers gamble failed. Retaining the current losers has the benefits of losing while maintaining integrity. -which is what Harris wisely did with Rivera despite Rivera obviously sucking.

So you would rather the ship go down in a flaming heap 5 games in and still a chance to turn it around?

Yeah successful Billionaire businessmen don’t often think like that IMO. They have way too much talent to concede and tank today.

 

[Roric]

Looks like maye is gonna be starting sooner than expected

 

[ynotcaps]

I didn’t say only on offense….and Evan’s will be a HOFer assuming his career doesn’t end prematurely. We’ll see. He was most certainly a top end/elite WR for Brady.

How many guys does JD currently have that can even possibly get close to a sniff of that kind of talent and production today, 1?

Yeah, the way to make a shockingly good rookie better is to give him more help. Higgins has had some injury concerns and hasn't produced #1 WR numbers -- but when you share the field w J Chase, you're not gonna be the #1, period.

That's why the proposed price is a 3rd and potentially a another third.

Like I said, I do it. If AP doesn't, OK, he certainly knows better than I. (Unlike the last 35 GMs we had under Satan.)

Looks like maye is gonna be starting sooner than expected

Yeah. He's walking into a shit situation. That line is decimated and their weapons are "meh" at best.
I was never a Maye guy, but it's going to be tough to get a fair read for a while.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Yeah, the way to make a shockingly good rookie better is to give him more help. Higgins has had some injury concerns and hasn't produced #1 WR numbers -- but when you share the field w J Chase, you're not gonna be the #1, period.

That's why the proposed price is a 3rd and potentially a second.

Like I said, I do it. If AP doesn't, OK, he certainly knows better than I. (Unlike the last 35 GMs we had under Satan.)

This is where I’m at. You have to think they’re considering options. Like damn, you can’t really expect him to do much more than make the playoffs, but still….if it’s to acquire a guy you see as being a key contributor for a few more years….I say go for it.

 

[Jags]

Yeah, the way to make a shockingly good rookie better is to give him more help.

Yes, and the absolute best thing they can do for him is shore up the defense so he doesn't have to score 40 a game to win. He could absolutely use a receiving upgrade, and if we can give up something easy to rent one for this season, great. But the 32-year-olds making league-best money and the oft-injured guys that want $25m a year? No thanks.

The upgrades they made this year are all performing, so I'd like them to stay the course. @g00n is right in his take on the NE comparison. Those guys had greatness is them that was brought out by a top QB playing behind a top O line, all working together to build a thing that none of them wanted to leave. Lots of Pats left money on the table to stay with a great team, and you see some of the stars in KC doing the same now while management embraces turnover in the best ways possible.

That's what I'm pretty sure @g00n is talking about -- building an organization like that, which you don't do by making expensive impulse buys at the checkout counter. You have to spread the money around. Our offense is working pretty great right now. Our D is the squeaky wheel.

Shrewd management FTW. Screaming "Me want! Me want! Me want!" every time a shiny trade target or FA stud becomes available is playing checkers when you should be playing chess.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Assuming an expensive impulse buy Is Snyder-think, not AP. Time to stop thinking the old ways. If he were to pull the trigger, I’m not poo pooing it.

 

[g00n]

Yeah but it doesn’t. It’s NYC.


Moss was never a project. Just FYI. Like, ever

Also — guys like Mahomes, Brady, Allen, Manning, etc (past and current) made WR’s better -/ but they also have some great WR’s.

There’s no chicken/egg thing here.

That said, JD5 has McLaurin and…… youth. Is McLaurin the same as Brady/Manning/Mahomes/Allen etc’s top guys? Prob not, when you include TE’s (Altho the RB’s help a LOT).

Moss had a bad rep for a few years and was one of the first to go through the "maybe bb can tame him" thing.

Of course more talent is good but there's a price.