OT: 2024 Washington Commanders thread: change we can believe in!

[Ridley Simon]

What I’d really like — and I know…..I am an old white man — is to bring back the logo. With another name that doesn’t have Redskins in it.

Even Warriors I would do (meh), or just Skins. That may not work either though (Skins), for various reasons.

As much as I miss the old name, I miss the old uniforms and logo more.

Washington Arrows. Bring back the logo. Old uni’s.

I dunno. I just hate the Commanders. Everyone said “if they win, you’ll like the name”

Ahhh, NO. I still loathe the name.

 

[kicksavedave]

Washington Commanders rumored to change their name back to Redskins — Newsweek

The NFL's Redskins became the Washington Football Team in 2020, then the Commanders in 2022, but the team may return to the identity it previously held for 87 years.

apple.news

The second sentence in the article is a bald faced lie. Josh Harris has never once expressed support for bringing back the old name. Garbage article is garbage.

This rumor only exists in the un-editable spaces like message boards and Twitter. Its not real.

 

[tycoonheart]

Why are people obsessed with that name? Please let it go.

 

[ynotcaps]

Click bait for anti-woke troglodytes.

"Some fans have even urged President-elect Donald Trump to change the team's name back when he returns to office."

I suspect a lot of the fans who think the President decides the names of sports teams are the ones who scream loudest about "socialism." They can be found rolling the corpse of irony for loose change.

 

[Ajax1995]

"Some fans have even urged President-elect Donald Trump to change the team's name back when he returns to office."

Is this before or after he rolls out the guillotine in Lafayette Square and begins executing his enemies…

 

[ynotcaps]

What I’d really like — and I know…..I am an old white man — is to bring back the logo. With another name that doesn’t have Redskins in it.

Even Warriors I would do (meh), or just Skins. That may not work either though (Skins), for various reasons.

As much as I miss the old name, I miss the old uniforms and logo more.

Washington Arrows. Bring back the logo. Old uni’s.

I dunno. I just hate the Commanders. Everyone said “if they win, you’ll like the name”

Ahhh, NO. I still loathe the name.

I'd be 100% behind old logo with "Braves" as the name. Or "Blackfeet," which was the tribe of the logo's subject.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

The second sentence in the article is a bald faced lie. Josh Harris has never once expressed support for bringing back the old name. Garbage article is garbage.

This rumor only exists in the un-editable spaces like message boards and Twitter. Its not real.

You know Josh personally I assume lol….have hashed this whole conversation on the topic out.


Seriously…I’d wager he wants to, just can’t.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Why are people obsessed with that name? Please let it go.

I’m not obsessed, just posted a talking point….which has done its job. Polarizing topic.


I like the idea of the old imagery plus a better, new name (assuming Redskins is really verboten)…

 

[Ridley Simon]

Why are people obsessed with that name? Please let it go.

Really? How old are you? If under a certain age (as a Skins fan), I could see why it doesn’t matter. I watched 3 Super Bowls, grew up with Gibbs 1.0 — religiously — and it was my foundation.

And THEN??

They did an absolutely shitty job of replacing it. Like abhorrent.

Want to forget the old name?

Give people a good reason to forget it, and STOP blaming people for missing it.

Make sense?

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

I'd be 100% behind old logo with "Braves" as the name. Or "Blackfeet," which was the tribe of the logo's subject.

No chance on Blackfeet. One: they're part of a group of tribes that was native to Montana so not sure how well it fits for a DC team. And two: I cannot imagine a world where they go from Redskins to Blackfeet... you'll have the same negative connotations and complaints with the latter as you did with the former.

That said, the Blackfeet are part of the Algonquians which is native to this area so maybe that's more realistic? Is Washington Natives too offensive/broad? The Washington Tribe as a catchall?

Washington Algonquians is probably too much of a mouthful, though I'd be down with it. D.C. sits on the ancestorial lands of the Nacotchtank who are also known as the Anacostans... how about the Washington Anacostans. There was a big WaPo article a few years ago about a push to recognize the Anacostan tribe in DC -- what better way to honor them than to rename the name after them while building a stadium on the shores of their ancestors?

All that said, I give it a 1% chance that they use any Native American imagery or monikers if they change the name again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/11/22/native-american-tribe-once-called-dc-home-its-had-no-living-members-centuries/

 

[HTFN]

I’m not obsessed, just posted a talking point….which has done its job. Polarizing topic.


I like the idea of the old imagery plus a better, new name (assuming Redskins is really verboten)…

Just unpack it for like two seconds and you'll understand why it's objectively terrible. I get nostalgia and all but let this one go.

Really? How old are you? If under a certain age (as a Skins fan), I could see why it doesn’t matter. I watched 3 Super Bowls, grew up with Gibbs 1.0 — religiously — and it was my foundation.

And THEN??

They did an absolutely shitty job of replacing it. Like abhorrent.

Want to forget the old name?

Give people a good reason to forget it, and STOP blaming people for missing it.

Make sense?

Same deal. I won't argue that their flip to this weird semi-military conjunction is not just bad but arguably problematic considering the national history with the tribes, doesn't sit/fit well and is mostly just some lukewarm bullshit...

But stop. Redskins is a wild name with obviously problematic overtones. It is one of the only team names I can think of that is directly suggestive of skin color, and while it might be one thing if this was a "take it back" ideology with a lot of natives on the team... it's the NFL and it's not. Nobody should be pining to go back to that. It's not quite as bad as suggesting that we should bring back Chief Wahoo but it's honestly not far off.

To be clear, I'm not for erasure either. I think sterilizing NA sports teams for every little thing does a genuine disservice to all of us, and using broadly popular events like sports to get people curious about the history of the land we live on is not inherently wrong... but you can't do it like that.

 

[kicksavedave]

You know Josh personally I assume lol….have hashed this whole conversation on the topic out.


Seriously…I’d wager he wants to, just can’t.

Josh and I smoked a bowl out behind the Gas n Sip back in the day, we talked Redskins football and which cheerleader had the nicest, um, personality.

Seriously, I'd wager he hasn't told any media outlets like Newsweek that he wants to, and every single one of his public comments are "we're not going back to the old name".

 

[ynotcaps]

No chance on Blackfeet. One: they're part of a group of tribes that was native to Montana so not sure how well it fits for a DC team. And two: I cannot imagine a world where they go from Redskins to Blackfeet... you'll have the same negative connotations and complaints with the latter as you did with the former.

That said, the Blackfeet are part of the Algonquians which is native to this area so maybe that's more realistic? Is Washington Natives too offensive/broad? The Washington Tribe as a catchall?

Washington Algonquians is probably too much of a mouthful, though I'd be down with it. D.C. sits on the ancestorial lands of the Nacotchtank who are also known as the Anacostans... how about the Washington Anacostans. There was a big WaPo article a few years ago about a push to recognize the Anacostan tribe in DC -- what better way to honor them than to rename the name after them while building a stadium on the shores of their ancestors?

All that said, I give it a 1% chance that they use any Native American imagery or monikers if they change the name again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2018/11/22/native-american-tribe-once-called-dc-home-its-had-no-living-members-centuries/

Yeah, I had the same thought about "Blackfeet" -- as the name of the tribe it's not remotely the same as a racial pejorative assigned by people of another race, but people are intellectually lazy enough to say "It's the EXACT same thing! COLOR!! ARGHYBHARGHY!"

In an exceedingly selfish and shallow vein, though, I also like "BF" because it's two syllables and fits seamlessly into the fight song. Yeah, I know, not the biggest deal. But it would rescue another vestige of the franchise history that Old Guys like myself and Dave (and others) long for.

 

[ynotcaps]

Meanwhile, in on-field news, Eric Bienemy lasted as long at UCLA as he did in DC:

Source: UCLA fires Bieniemy; IU's Sunseri on way

UCLA, which ranked 126th nationally in scoring this season, has fired offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy after just one season, a source confirmed to ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Yeah, I had the same thought about "Blackfeet" -- as the name of the tribe it's not remotely the same as a racial pejorative assigned by people of another race, but people are intellectually lazy enough to say "It's the EXACT same thing! COLOR!! ARGHYBHARGHY!"

In an exceedingly selfish and shallow vein, though, I also like "BF" because it's two syllables and fits seamlessly into the fight song. Yeah, I know, not the biggest deal. But it would rescue another vestige of the franchise history that Old Guys like myself and Dave (and others) long for.

I love the old fight song, still play it sometimes when we score. And the uniforms… beauties. The NFCE had the best uniforms in all of sports with the Cowboys, Giants, Eagles, and Redskins before we went and made them terrible — every divisional game was a banger of a jersey matchup.

Their current brand sucks. If they’re going to keep the name at least bring back better uniforms. Just slap the W on one of these and call it a day. No need to mess with perfection. If they’re want to do a different third jersey then fine but make the standards the classics and be done with it.

 

[ynotcaps]

I love the old fight song, still play it sometimes when we score. And the uniforms… beauties. The NFCE had the best uniforms in all of sports with the Cowboys, Giants, Eagles, and Redskins before we went and made them terrible — every divisional game was a banger of a jersey matchup.

Their current brand sucks. If they’re going to keep the name at least bring back better uniforms. Just slap the W on one of these and call it a day. No need to mess with perfection. If they’re want to do a different third jersey then fine but make the standards and the classics and be done with it.

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To me, the bottom picture is the gold standard. Either the full '70s unis all the way through, or the '70's kits with the Lombardi-throwback helmets as pictured above (with a W or a B for Braves (or Blackfeet ))

The gold pants and helmets with the white jerseys and the 5-stripe sleeves -- total class!

 

[kicksavedave]

I still don't know why Washington Braves and the old logo/colors isn't already a done deal. Its too perfect. It was their original name and its pure honor, no slur involved. Sign me up!

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Source: UCLA fires Bieniemy; IU's Sunseri on way

UCLA, which ranked 126th nationally in scoring this season, has fired offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy after just one season, a source confirmed to ESPN.

www.espn.com

Shoulda stayed with Mahomes EB….

 

[twabby]

Bring back the old name!

(Washington Football Team)

 

[usiel]

What I’d really like — and I know…..I am an old white man — is to bring back the logo. With another name that doesn’t have Redskins in it.

Even Warriors I would do (meh), or just Skins. That may not work either though (Skins), for various reasons.

As much as I miss the old name, I miss the old uniforms and logo more.

Washington Arrows. Bring back the logo. Old uni’s.

I dunno. I just hate the Commanders. Everyone said “if they win, you’ll like the name”

Ahhh, NO. I still loathe the name.

I can get behind this. There is no issue with logo that I can see or imagine.

I've come around for the name Commanders it is sort of in the middle and a bit bland and safe but the military theme aspects seem good for merch and the like.

 

[Jags]

To be clear, I'm not for erasure either.

Me neither. I think it's weird that it's taboo to say it now, even if you're talking specifically about the years-ago teams to which the name applied. I say it all the time, still wear the same R cap I've had since about the turn on the century.

But yeah, I get why they changed it and why they're absolutely not going back to it.

Meanwhile, in on-field news, Eric Bienemy lasted as long at UCLA as he did in DC

Yeah, and immediately the statement from his agent goes out of its way to mention that the Commanders and still paying him, he only planned to be with UCLA a year, he had HC interviews last year, and so on. Sounds pretty desperate, especially given how bad the offense was in UCLA this year. Something like 125 out of 135 teams bad.

I still don't know why Washington Braves and the old logo/colors isn't already a done deal.

I think if they go back to the logo they pretty much have to use a name like Natives. Picking a particular tribe will irritate someone, picking Braves or Warriors will seem like a copycay copout, and so on. Hail to the Natives? Bleh?

I almost don't give a shit at this point, except that I don't like Commanders.

Shoulda stayed with Mahomes EB

The talking heads today were saying that EB was out in KC whether he took another job or not. They wanted Nagy, and people speculated that EB didn't get along with everyone. Some people there definitely still loved the guy, but clearly he's not as widely respected as some folks thought.

All I know is that I didn't like his offense, and with the constant talking in third person and weird confrontational issues he got into with players during camp, he seemed like a bit of a dick.

Does Vegas have odds on him either ending up back on the KC staff in some murkily-defined "Assistant Offensive Consulting Advisor" type of thing; or, given his penchant for always throwing, maybe a spot in the USFXFL or whatever the hell it is now?

 

[John Price]

Lions win last night, Packers loss

 

[Ridley Simon]

Just unpack it for like two seconds and you'll understand why it's objectively terrible. I get nostalgia and all but let this one go.

Same deal. I won't argue that their flip to this weird semi-military conjunction is not just bad but arguably problematic considering the national history with the tribes, doesn't sit/fit well and is mostly just some lukewarm bullshit...

But stop. Redskins is a wild name with obviously problematic overtones. It is one of the only team names I can think of that is directly suggestive of skin color, and while it might be one thing if this was a "take it back" ideology with a lot of natives on the team... it's the NFL and it's not. Nobody should be pining to go back to that. It's not quite as bad as suggesting that we should bring back Chief Wahoo but it's honestly not far off.

To be clear, I'm not for erasure either. I think sterilizing NA sports teams for every little thing does a genuine disservice to all of us, and using broadly popular events like sports to get people curious about the history of the land we live on is not inherently wrong... but you can't do it like that.

That’s not my point. I don’t see too many posters arguing about the merits of removing the name. Pretty much everyone understands it.

My beef is when people try to tell others to “stop talking about it!!”. Like the thought police. People are free to talk about it. Because many people — like ME specifically — miss it a lot, and that’s almost 100% due to the crappy replacement name/uni/logo.

IF they’d done a better job w the rebrand, many many people would not miss the old name/uni/logo so much.

And to be blamed for that — isn’t cool, from where I sit.

But to each their own.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Lions win last night, Packers loss

They shouldn’t be satisfied with just making the playoffs and should really be making a push for the 6th seed. The sixth seed will play winner of either the NFC West or South (currently Seattle and Atlanta) while the seventh seed is almost certainly heading to Philadelphia unless Detroit goes on a losing streak, and then you go to Detroit.

Going to be tough though as Green Bay is up one with four to play. That said, Washington has the tiebreaker over Green Bay (better conference record) so they only need to make up one game if the tiebreaker stays constant.

Green Bay finishes @ Seattle, vs New Orleans, @ Minnesota, vs Chicago. Washington finishes @ New Orleans, vs Philly, vs Atlanta, @ Dallas. Pretty clear advantage for Washington, I think, but we’ll see.

 

[g00n]

They shouldn’t be satisfied with just making the playoffs and should really be making a push for the 6th seed. The sixth seed will play winner of either the NFC West or South (currently Seattle and Atlanta) while the seventh seed is almost certainly heading to Philadelphia unless Detroit goes on a losing streak, and then you go to Detroit.

Going to be tough though as Green Bay is up one with four to play. That said, Washington has the tiebreaker over Green Bay (better conference record) so they only need to make up one game if the tiebreaker stays constant.

Green Bay finishes @ Seattle, vs New Orleans, @ Minnesota, vs Chicago. Washington finishes @ New Orleans, vs Philly, vs Atlanta, @ Dallas. Pretty clear advantage for Washington, I think, but we’ll see.

I can see GB going 2-2 or 3-1 there.
On paper WFT should go 3-1 or 4-0.

So yeah seems like a good setup but anything can happen