Player Discussion: 2024 Vezina Finalist Connor Hellebuyck

[Victorias]

Also its likely he finishes the season as the leader in every single goaltending category which has never been done in the history of the league.

If you’re referring to Wins/S%/GAA/SO, others have done it, including Plante, Parent, and Dryden.

But it’s been a while and is an impressive feat.

 

[Buffdog]

If you’re referring to Wins/S%/GAA/SO, others have done it, including Plante, Parent, and Dryden.

But it’s been a while and is an impressive feat.

And didn't they all win the cup the year they did it?

I thought I read that

 

[DharmaBum]

Also its likely he finishes the season as the leader in every single goaltending category which has never been done in the history of the league.

If you’re referring to Wins/S%/GAA/SO, others have done it, including Plante, Parent, and Dryden.

But it’s been a while and is an impressive feat.

According to the Jets Media Game Day Notes, Helle would be only the 2nd goalie since 85-86 to lead the league in the 4 major goalie stats.

The goalie you're thinking of who was the last to lead the league in all 4 stat categories...nope, you're wrong. It is none other than the legend (and possibly Lowe Farm resident) Bob Froese.

This is clipped before the Dallas game, so Helles stats are one day outdated here.

These are the top 10 goalie stats from the '85-86 season. Vanbiesbrouck won the Vezina that sseason.

 

[Victorias]

And didn't they all win the cup the year they did it?

I thought I read that

Looks like they did - nice bit of trivia and hopefully the trend continues!

Edit: Froese obviously didn’t

 

[PhilJets]

CONNOR HELLEBUYCK his case to win the HART TROPHY :

Connor Hellebuyck is the most valuable player to his team.
He’s carrying the Winnipeg Jets to the top of the Western Conference and LEAGUE with league-leading goalie stats:
Most wins (45)
Best GAA (1.99)
Best SV% (.929)
Most shutouts (8)
Top GSAx (28.2)


None of the top forwards have carried their team defensively and won as many games singlehandedly. Hellebuyck doesn’t just stop pucks—he steals games and defines team success.


NOTE: there might be some error adjustments, i tried my best to present it as accurate as i can, feel free to correct me to update... thank you in advance. GO JETS GO

 

[DRW204]

Hellebuyck will win the Hart. Wouldn't be surprised at the Lindsay. And the Vezina obviously isn't even a discussion.

 

[buggs]

I'm waiting on the Conn Smythe.

 

[UFO]

More importantly, he should win the stanley cup this year.

 

[PhilJets]

Helly has to show up big time for this playoffs

but so do

Connor and Ehlers first and foremost

Schiefele Lowry and Morrissey

and we hope the new bloods step up or one of them have a playoff to remember.

Perfetti Samberg

then great defensive plays from the rest of the group with timely and support goals.

Iaffallo and Barron hopefully with some support goals.

 

[Daximus]

If you’re referring to Wins/S%/GAA/SO, others have done it, including Plante, Parent, and Dryden.

But it’s been a while and is an impressive feat.

I'm including all of the all categorie. Like GP, GSAA, GSAE, Adj GA, GPS. Even those guys didn't lead in every single category including the newer stats. Though we don't have all the data for older goalies but I couldn't find a single season where a goalie led in literally everything. Though he isn't leading in some of the raw stats like shots against and pure saves.

 

[DRW204]

this is NHL POs SV% vs Regular Season since 2015 (beg. of Helle's career), as you would expect the league average is typically higher although margins have tightened as of late, and this year is off to a poor start.

Helle has been above the PO average 2x in his career, 2017 and 2020. Same story if you look at Goals Saved Above Expected which measures vs quality.

 

[gojetsgo]

it's 100% a mental thing

 

[sipowicz]

Just rewatched the game 4 lowlights, Helly staring at Morrissey for 10 seconds after a goal just to make sure everyone knew it was Morrisseys fault should disqualify him from any kind of award!

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Arniel is in a tough spot with goaltending. Helle should sit but our backup a completely unknown quantity for post season pressure. Unfortunately, Helle is looking like a known quantity for post season pressure, but not in a good way.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[ahmedou]

 

[tbcwpg]

Just rewatched the game 4 lowlights, Helly staring at Morrissey for 10 seconds after a goal just to make sure everyone knew it was Morrisseys fault should disqualify him from any kind of award!

Patrick Roy would never!

 

[cbcwpg]

The oiler sat out their #1 goaltender and have gone with their backup...why? Because they want to freaking win so they will try whatever it takes to win, and if they hurt someone's feelings in the process, too stinking bad.

The Jets need to do something, but when it comes to the net, they will do nothing except keep on the same path. There are 16 teams in the playoffs, and I'm willing to bet that if the other 15 were in the same position as the Jets with the same results the Jets got in the last two games... Comrie would be starting game #5.

The biggest problem as I see it is if Comrie starts game #5, Helly is asking for a trade before the first period ends.

Well guess what... I don't care. If Helly plays ( which he will ) and IF the Jets bow out of this series over the next 2 games, I'm all for trading him. Why? Because, instead of paying someone $8,500,000 to give us 0.800 SV% goaltending in the playoffs, we can most likely find someone else to bring the team just average goaltending for a lot less money, then use whatever you get in a trade, and the saved money, to improve in the roster somewhere else that will make the team better.

Team's are seeing that you can still win the Stanley Cup without having to pay for a "superstar" goalie, more so when he doesn't play like it. Look at the top 10 goalies ( not including Price ) by salary this year. When the second round of the playoffs start, there will probably be just 1 or 2 of those top paid goalies still playing.

 

[surixon]

Yeah, the guy clearly has something impacting his confidence on the road in the playoffs.

 

[surixon]

The oiler sat out their #1 goaltender and have gone with their backup...why? Because they want to freaking win so they will try whatever it takes to win, and if they hurt someone's feelings in the process, too stinking bad.

The Jets need to do something, but when it comes to the net, they will do nothing except keep on the same path. There are 16 teams in the playoffs, and I'm willing to bet that if the other 15 were in the same position as the Jets with the same results the Jets got in the last two games... Comrie would be starting game #5.

The biggest problem as I see it is if Comrie starts game #5, Helly is asking for a trade before the first period ends.

Well guess what... I don't care. If Helly plays ( which he will ) and IF the Jets bow out of this series over the next 2 games, I'm all for trading him. Why? Because, instead of paying someone $8,500,000 to give us 0.800 SV% goaltending in the playoffs, we can most likely find someone else to bring the team just average goaltending for a lot less money, then use whatever you get in a trade, and the saved money, to improve in the roster somewhere else that will make the team better.

Team's are seeing that you can still win the Stanley Cup without having to pay for a "superstar" goalie, more so when he doesn't play like it. Look at the top 10 goalies ( not including Price ) by salary this year. When the second round of the playoffs start, there will probably be just 1 or 2 of those top paid goalies still playing.

Agreed. I'd be starting Comrie myself. If Helle can't see he's been shit and selfishly asks for a trade it says more about him. It's gut check time and you need to do what you can to win.

Will the org do it, nope. So hopefully Helle comes out and gives us a quality start on Wednesday.

 

[Victorias]

The oiler sat out their #1 goaltender and have gone with their backup...why? Because they want to freaking win so they will try whatever it takes to win, and if they hurt someone's feelings in the process, too stinking bad.

The Jets need to do something, but when it comes to the net, they will do nothing except keep on the same path. There are 16 teams in the playoffs, and I'm willing to bet that if the other 15 were in the same position as the Jets with the same results the Jets got in the last two games... Comrie would be starting game #5.

The biggest problem as I see it is if Comrie starts game #5, Helly is asking for a trade before the first period ends.

Well guess what... I don't care. If Helly plays ( which he will ) and IF the Jets bow out of this series over the next 2 games, I'm all for trading him. Why? Because, instead of paying someone $8,500,000 to give us 0.800 SV% goaltending in the playoffs, we can most likely find someone else to bring the team just average goaltending for a lot less money, then use whatever you get in a trade, and the saved money, to improve in the roster somewhere else that will make the team better.

Team's are seeing that you can still win the Stanley Cup without having to pay for a "superstar" goalie, more so when he doesn't play like it. Look at the top 10 goalies ( not including Price ) by salary this year. When the second round of the playoffs start, there will probably be just 1 or 2 of those top paid goalies still playing.

It’s not about Helle’s ego, it’s about upside. The only way this team wins the Cup or gets close is with Helle in MVP form.

You can win with a lesser goalie if your team is stacked (e.g. Penguins, Blackhawks, Avalanche) or you get lights out goaltending from a backup and have a hot team in front of him (e.g. Vegas, St. Louis). This is not the case with the Jets.

The whole team is deflated and the only way up is to get behind its best player.

 

[Goodette]

Pains me to write this and I'm hoping I am premature. If Helle plays no better than he has then a trade is the best for all concerned, the player, the fans and the franchise. That's the outcome of an early exit. Still optimistic but we MUST win game 5 or forget it.

 

[JetsFan815]

The oiler sat out their #1 goaltender and have gone with their backup...why? Because they want to freaking win so they will try whatever it takes to win, and if they hurt someone's feelings in the process, too stinking bad.

The Jets need to do something, but when it comes to the net, they will do nothing except keep on the same path. There are 16 teams in the playoffs, and I'm willing to bet that if the other 15 were in the same position as the Jets with the same results the Jets got in the last two games... Comrie would be starting game #5.

The biggest problem as I see it is if Comrie starts game #5, Helly is asking for a trade before the first period ends.

Well guess what... I don't care. If Helly plays ( which he will ) and IF the Jets bow out of this series over the next 2 games, I'm all for trading him. Why? Because, instead of paying someone $8,500,000 to give us 0.800 SV% goaltending in the playoffs, we can most likely find someone else to bring the team just average goaltending for a lot less money, then use whatever you get in a trade, and the saved money, to improve in the roster somewhere else that will make the team better.

Team's are seeing that you can still win the Stanley Cup without having to pay for a "superstar" goalie, more so when he doesn't play like it. Look at the top 10 goalies ( not including Price ) by salary this year. When the second round of the playoffs start, there will probably be just 1 or 2 of those top paid goalies still playing.

Hellebuyck is literally the best goalie in the world. Its not about 'hurting someone's' feelings, he's your horse and the guy you have built your team around. He is more likely to get his game back and go on a run rather than expecting Comrie who got ran out of Buffalo to take you to the promised land. The correct analogy would be Oilers decided to sit McDavid to instead play Jake Evans as their #1C if McDavid has a few bad games.

Form and confidence is temporary... class is permanent. I will bet on Helle getting his groove back rather than expect Comrie to take us on a deep run. It is not even like Brossoit is the backup, we are talking about Eric Comrie... I am mad about these 2 games as well but come on guys lol.

 

[bumblebeeman]

Hellebuyck is literally the best goalie in the world. Its not about 'hurting someone's' feelings, he's your horse and the guy you have built your team around. He is more likely to get his game back and go on a run rather than expecting Comrie who got ran out of Buffalo to take you to the promised land. The correct analogy would be Oilers decided to sit McDavid to instead play Jake Evans as their #1C if McDavid has a few bad games.

Form and confidence is temporary... class is permanent. I will bet on Helle getting his groove back rather than expect Comrie to take us on a deep run. It is not even like Brossoit is the backup, we are talking about Eric Comrie... I am mad about these 2 games as well but come on guys lol.

Thank you. It is absurd to expect a team to sit their franchise player after 2 bad games

 

[cbcwpg]

Hellebuyck is literally the best goalie in the world. Its not about 'hurting someone's' feelings, he's your horse and the guy you have built your team around. He is more likely to get his game back and go on a run rather than expecting Comrie who got ran out of Buffalo to take you to the promised land. The correct analogy would be Oilers decided to sit McDavid to instead play Jake Evans as their #1C if McDavid has a few bad games.

Form and confidence is temporary... class is permanent. I will bet on Helle getting his groove back rather than expect Comrie to take us on a deep run. It is not even like Brossoit is the backup, we are talking about Eric Comrie... I am mad about these 2 games as well but come on guys lol.

I'm not saying Comrie specifically, yet you are right, that's all the Jets have in reserve. What I said though was... if the other 15 playoff teams had their starting goalies playing like Helly the last 2 games , they would all be looking at starting their backups in the 5th game, no matter who their backups are. It may be wrong, but I would say most teams would do it just to try something.

The problem the Jets have, and specifically with Comrie, is the Jets knew this could happen. The Jets knew based on past history that Helly could struggle, but there was also a chance he could just get hurt... and the Jets went out and signed the wrong backup for either scenario.

The Jets are staying with Helly, because he should be able to play well in the playoffs eventually, given enough opportunities. Even though just 2 quality starts in the last 14 playoff games he has appeared in say otherwise.