2024 Training Camp Thread

[Double-Shift Lasse]

It's a new coach, there will be tons of line combos

It’s been such a traumatic last few weeks it’s almost easy to forget.

 

[stevo61]

Anyone else concerned with Voronkov’s transformation at age 24? I remember an interview with David Wells (a very good baseball pitcher who was notorious for not having the physique of a professional athlete) and he talked about how he knew his body and if it were to change then his mechanics would have to change and then it might subject his body to more injuries or it might impact his pitching. This is what I was reminded of when @VT started posting the workouts. If he were an 18 or 19 year old I wouldn’t think such a thing, but 24 is different.

Didn't the dude gain a stupid amount of weight over his career? He's a pitcher so it's not really apples to apples and I don't really think it's that true anyway. It's would impact some things to some degree for sure but it also sounds like a fun excuse.

But regardless, as Major pointed out his current level is more his norm and last year was the outlier

 

[koteka]

Didn't the dude gain a stupid amount of weight over his career?

And he got better as well.

Voronkov played 75 NHL games and 4 AHL games last year. He didn’t have great stamina, but he stayed healthy and put some pucks in the net. I am interested in how the new Voronkov holds up.

 

[majormajor]

And he got better as well.

Voronkov played 75 NHL games and 4 AHL games last year. He didn’t have great stamina, but he stayed healthy and put some pucks in the net. I am interested in how the new Voronkov holds up.

I think we already saw that new Voronkov last year, I think he was only plus sized for the first couple months of the season last year. He might have had some great training this past summer, that would be nice.

Edit: Yes I saw all the same training videos posted here. I just mean we don't know yet whether he'll be any quicker or have more endurance on the ice.

 

[tunnelvision]

Alright cool, tomorrow I wanna see Chinakhov, Marchenko, Voronkov, Jiricek, KJ and Svozil in front of media answering questions.

"Which aspects of your game should be improved after a summer of training?"
"How much do you REALLY weigh currently?"
"What is your excuse for not posting enough IG pics and vids from the gym?"
"Which is more important to you: to be tough to play against or to be flashy and soft offensive specialist?"
"How will you react if you're getting sent down?"

 

[Hannibal]

Does Lndstrom has the green light to participate in training camp?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Does Lndstrom has the green light to participate in training camp?

https://x.com/i/web/status/1835069198961127570

 

[CBJWerenski8]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837119254295986286

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837125379460419605

 

[majormajor]

I recognize that it's been a near consensus that Fantilli and Sillinger should be at center. But it's really hard to square that with the results to date. There is a massive gap between Jenner and Voronkov on the one hand and Fantilli and Sillinger on the other, when it comes to xG and goals results. Draft pedigree is a bitch.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

other than for the obvious reason that he’s on the Jackets and I’d like to see all of our guys do well, it would be very nice if Sillinger broke out and put an end to the shit talking. I don’t know if he can do it, but I really hope so. Reminds me of when this board gave up on Matt Calvert and David Savard at early parts of their career, however I will admit both of them had far fewer games under their belt and were more unproven.

 

[CBJx614]

I do like Chinny and Fantilli together. To guys who can put the puck in the net and bang some bodies if need be. I also like the idea of Vronk and KJ together.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837143578700665062

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837134758305820808

 

[CBJx614]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837134476024942677

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837122382282084628

 

[Xoggz22]

I recognize that it's been a near consensus that Fantilli and Sillinger should be at center. But it's really hard to square that with the results to date. There is a massive gap between Jenner and Voronkov on the one hand and Fantilli and Sillinger on the other, when it comes to xG and goals results. Draft pedigree is a bitch.

Honest question. What changes your mind about Sillinger moving forward? What do you need to see? I want to look for this because, as we both know, you and I have very different positions on him. I'm not looking to debate with you, just want to know what success looks like to you when it comes to Sillinger.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837143578700665062

Can't afford to have any less hair as it likely affects his weight. He's obviously a weakling and I have to wonder about his cold cranking amps and intonation relative to A440.

 

[CBJx614]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837168831699022234

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837178792424398909

 

[majormajor]

other than for the obvious reason that he’s on the Jackets and I’d like to see all of our guys do well, it would be very nice if Sillinger broke out and put an end to the shit talking. I don’t know if he can do it, but I really hope so. Reminds me of when this board gave up on Matt Calvert and David Savard at early parts of their career, however I will admit both of them had far fewer games under their belt and were more unproven.

Shit talking I suppose is a rather large umbrella term then, since it seems to encompass every possible critique of a player, including in this case mentioning actual on-ice results, which I've linked to.

I was a Savard and Calvert defender so I'd like to be left out of that comparison.

And my issue isn't whether to give up on Sillinger, it's what do we do when he isn't performing? So far the answer is ignore it and keep him at center, which to me is giving up on the team.

Honest question. What changes your mind about Sillinger moving forward? What do you need to see? I want to look for this because, as we both know, you and I have very different positions on him. I'm not looking to debate with you, just want to know what success looks like to you when it comes to Sillinger.

I suppose lifting off of 44% xG would be nice. We're just much more likely to be stuck in our zone with Sillinger, it's been the same number three years in a row. If he changes it, that would be great, I'm more upset with how it's handled when he doesn't change it - so far the answer seems to be just keep playing him as 3C and his linemates (KJ, Chinakhov, etc...) get the short end of it.

I have a somewhat lower long term projection for him because of his bottom end skating and passing ability, but this isn't a long term discussion, it's about where he's at now. Putting him on the wing or the 4th line seems anathema to many, including the team management. So much so that solid centers with positive results like Jenner and Voronkov are getting put on the wing instead.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Shit talking I suppose is a rather large umbrella term then, since it seems to encompass every possible critique of a player, including in this case mentioning actual on-ice results, which I've linked to.

I was a Savard and Calvert defender so I'd like to be left out of that comparison.

And my issue isn't whether to give up on Sillinger, it's what do we do when he isn't performing? So far the answer is ignore it and keep him at center, which to me is giving up on the team.

I’m not even saying your critiques are wrong. But my issue with them is they come across as “we should give up on him.” Rather than what should we do to help him. You say it’s not that, but that’s not how it comes across. At least to me.

 

[Jovavic]

Sillinger is our very own Tyler Wright, a high draft pick that ended up being a grinder (Wright obviously was a pest also, I doubt Sillinger grows that)

 

[Xoggz22]

I suppose lifting off of 44% xG would be nice. We're just much more likely to be stuck in our zone with Sillinger, it's been the same number three years in a row. If he changes it, that would be great, I'm more upset with how it's handled when he doesn't change it - so far the answer seems to be just keep playing him as 3C and his linemates (KJ, Chinakhov, etc...) get the short end of it.

I have a somewhat lower long term projection for him because of his bottom end skating and passing ability, but this isn't a long term discussion, it's about where he's at now. Putting him on the wing or the 4th line seems anathema to many, including the team management. So much so that solid centers with positive results like Jenner and Voronkov are getting put on the wing instead.

I appreciate the response. Thank you

 

[thebus88]

I recognize that it's been a near consensus that Fantilli and Sillinger should be at center. But it's really hard to square that with the results to date. There is a massive gap between Jenner and Voronkov on the one hand and Fantilli and Sillinger on the other, when it comes to xG and goals results. Draft pedigree is a bitch.

I would have Jenner and Voronkov at C, or playing together on a line rotating in at C.

Would have both Fantilli and Sillinger at wing, at least for now. More beneficial to them and the team, IMO.

 

[thebus88]

Honest question. What changes your mind about Sillinger moving forward? What do you need to see? I want to look for this because, as we both know, you and I have very different positions on him. I'm not looking to debate with you, just want to know what success looks like to you when it comes to Sillinger.

Not look like a chicken with its head cut off during transition, and/or arguably the majority of the rest of his time on the ice.

Much better skating.

Better patience and decision making with the puck.

 

[majormajor]

I’m not even saying your critiques are wrong. But my issue with them is they come across as “we should give up on him.” Rather than what should we do to help him. You say it’s not that, but that’s not how it comes across. At least to me.

I've made countless caveats that he might figure it out later and I'm really talking about where he is at right now, and people still get offended by it. I think it's just a kid people like so much that neutral analysis sounds like an assault. You yourself shared his stat card which placed him at the 2nd percentile among NHLers, but if I was to say it that way people wouldn't believe it. How do you go about saying that he should be on the 4th line without making viqsi upset? I don't know how to do that.

 

[EspenK]

Maybe Evason wants to see them at C live, in person? Just a thought. I doubt day 1 lines will remain in concrete.

 

[Youngguns1380]

 

[CBJx614]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837274452809437462