Rumor: 2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Thread: Post Deadline

[GirardSpinorama]

Yes and no.

I could see Lindgren-Malinski becoming the cheaper version of Girard-Manson next year. That swap is not that risky (especially if you factor in injuries) and would allow them to save ~3M of cap space + get precious assets back for Manson and Girard.

If Malinski and Lindgren keep playing well CMac will have to seriously consider that option.

Yup. And we spend the savings on two stud PKers in the bottom pairing or at least 1.

 

[Vaslof]

I'd also guess we will try to re-sign Girard in 2 years. He will only be 29. I don't think he'll get a big raise anywhere, so why not stay.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Mostly cause he didnt have a good 1.5 seasons.

That’s not really how unrestricted free agency works.

He got out of a terrible Rangers culture and system, is now thriving as an Av and will likely go on a deep playoff run.

Teams will be tripping over themselves for a 27 year old who plays a tough, shutdown game and has proven to be able to skate and pass in the Colorado system.

 

[BobRossColton]

$143,333 cap space

 

[Richard88]

Yeah I can see that. He’s not particularly bad at anything but he’s not particularly good at anything either. If Malinski can keeping playing well I think we can move G for cap space.

Toews - Makar
Lindgren - Malinski
XXXXX - Manson

Be that an offseason bandaid or Behrens in the 3LD spot

Behrens is just a bigger and better Girard amirite

/s

 

[Balthazar]

No chance Girard gers traded. Manson for Lindgren I could see happen.

I highly doubt they trade Manson AND let Lindgren walk. The defense would be tiny.

Really the only question is can Lindgren and Malinski be reliable enough to replace the Girard and Manson pairing.

If the answer is yes it's an easy decision: you trade Girard and Manson this summer and re-up the 2 others.

 

[Richard88]

Why is 27 year old Ryan Lindgren, first time reaching UFA, going to take a paycut on his current salary?

Because NYR fans on Hfboards said he was the worst player in the league, that's why

 

[Richard88]

$143,333 cap spaceView attachment 998150

And what about your 13F and 7D?

 

[Bensch88]

Dont you dare think about letting JD walk. I already had to accept my 2nd favorite team not extending Michal dal Colle, losing JD is not an Option. He's a great player, produces well, turned into a great 2 way player and has insane chemistry with Nate. Keep him!

 

[RoyIsALegend]

And what about your 13F and 7D?

Or the fact that Lindgren isn’t taking $4m AAV.

Or the fact that Kiviranta might finish with 20 goals and will obviously want more than an embarrassing $1.25m per season.

Or the fact that Landeskog is expected to be a top 6 forward.

Or the fact that Prishchepov is suddenly a top 12, everyday forward.

Or the fact that Drouin walked when he’s the biggest bargain signing for production we can possibly have.

I mean, it’s a Bob lineup.

 

[the_fan]

If Landy comes back and stays healthy, I think we lose Drouin next year almost certainly. There is just no other way around it

 

[dahrougem2]

Yes and no.

I could see Lindgren-Malinski becoming the cheaper version of Girard-Manson next year. That swap is not that risky (especially if you factor in injuries) and would allow them to save ~3M of cap space + get precious assets back for Manson and Girard.

If Malinski and Lindgren keep playing well CMac will have to seriously consider that option.

Then we spend those assets on two defensemen at the TDL when Lindgren - Malinski eventually play like a 3rd pair

 

[Balthazar]

Then we spend those assets on two defensemen at the TDL when Lindgren - Malinski eventually play like a 3rd pair

That’s worst case scenario but it’s a way out if it doesn’t work.

 

[Balthazar]

If Landy comes back and stays healthy, I think we lose Drouin next year almost certainly. There is just no other way around it

We lose Colton and Wood before Drouin.

 

[Vaslof]

I highly doubt they trade Manson AND let Lindgren walk. The defense would be tiny.

Really the only question is can Lindgren and Malinski be reliable enough to replace the Girard and Manson pairing.

If the answer is yes it's an easy decision: you trade Girard and Manson this summer and re-up the 2 others.

Sorry I meant that we could trade away Manson to make room for Lindgren.

Depending on Nelson and Landeskog, we could also keep everyone from the defense. Manson's deal would end in 1 year and Girard's in 2 years. Malinski new deal would likely be 1-2 years. So we will have stacked D for a while but guys will come off the books as we need the money elsewhere.

 

[missionAvs]

Behrens is just a bigger and better Girard amirite

/s

And meaner.

 

[GoNordiquesGo]

So much depends on Landeskog still.

I think they keep G no matter what. I see a Lindgren vs Manson decision however.

Colton and Wood are almost certain to be traded. We'll recoup assets with Colton. Probably cap dump for Wood.

But it all depends on Landeskog.

 

[the_fan]

We lose Colton and Wood before Drouin.

Not Colton. He’s a 3rd line player, Drouin isn’t. JD is a top 6 forward. With Landy back, top 6 will be full, and don’t think Drouin fits well on 3rd line. I think he’s gone. Also Colton is developing solid chemistry on the 3rd line with Coyle, and we have Coyle another year. They’ll want to keep those two together

 

[Richard88]

Dont you dare think about letting JD walk. I already had to accept my 2nd favorite team not extending Michal dal Colle, losing JD is not an Option. He's a great player, produces well, turned into a great 2 way player and has insane chemistry with Nate. Keep him!

In support of your point... Drouin leads the Avs this season in points/60 at 5v5:

If you include last season too he's right up there as well. (stats below have minimum 100 TOI)

And Nelson is producing very well too fwiw.

 

[Richard88]

I disagree with that assessment. it's really Lindgren + 2nd vs Manson + whatever it costs to replace Manson (if that's even possible). I don't know how to quantify, but there's also definitely a cost associated with not having Manson on the team. EJ definitely helps for now, but next season I really don't want to find out how badly we need a guy like Manson after we trade him away. I still remember how desperately the Avs needed him before we traded for him, and that was with EJ on the team.

I actually don't mind Lindgren on a ~4 year term. That would bring him to ~31, and by then hopefully one of our LD prospects has surpassed him on the depth chart, so he's our #5 or #6.

So all tolled, putting Girard aside, since we've discussed that option to death and I doubt we'll ever agree, I think the best option (assuming Nelson re-signs and Landeskog is back) is to move Coyle (and Colton, and Wood) and probably Kivi walk. We already know Drury can play 3C and Kelly can play 4C, and we've got guys coming up who could also potentially play center. We just roll with an epic top 6 and an insanely deep defense. It could be worse.

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We then look to upgrade the bottom six at some point if possible. Then next offseason all we need to do is find a Manson replacement and re-sign Necas and Drury, which should be easily do-able with the cap increase.

I think the roster above is my new ideal, to be honest. As much as I've liked Coyle so far, if Landy comes back I think it's either Nelson or Coyle + Kivi, neither of which is terrible, really, and if Landy can't play next year of course it's all of the above.

I disagree with the part in bold. You're assuming that there would be a cost to replace Manson, but that there wouldn't be a cost to replace Lindgren.

If Lindgren walks you have to replace him - just as you would have to do if Manson left, but with Lindgren walking you get nothing in terms of assets when he leaves to put towards a replacement. Whereas with Manson leaving you'd at least get some assets back to give you a head-start on replacing him.

As for trading Coyle, ^%@$ no to that. The Avs finally have enviously good center depth, please don't mess with it for the sake of a 5D.

 

[Richard88]

Luke Schenn or Craig Smith would be my guesses

Ah yeah good guess with Luke Schenn. Guessing the Avs were interested in him as a Carlo backup but simply couldn't outbid Winnipeg (who paid a 2026 2nd + 2027 4th) without any 2nd round picks in the next 15 drafts.

 

[Richard88]

I would let Girard go before I let Lindgren walk, assuming we can get Lindgren signed to a 3.5M deal. Girard is just easier to replace with Malinski.

Im also a big Manson fan but we've managed well without him in multiple instances and he is both injury prone and declining. And its not like hes a great PKer.

I would potentially rebuild that entire 2nd pairing and just make it a bottom 4 that cost the same.

Toews-Makar
Lindgren-Malinski
Dumoulin-Rutta
EJ

Yes the 2nd pairing is not ideal, but that third pairing takes all the PK time. Leaving more time for toews and makar at ES.

So you're trading Manson AND Girard?! That's insanity.

Also $3.5m is optimistic for Lindgren.

 

[Richard88]

Yes and no.

I could see Lindgren-Malinski becoming the cheaper version of Girard-Manson next year. That swap is not that risky (especially if you factor in injuries) and would allow them to save ~3M of cap space + get precious assets back for Manson and Girard.

If Malinski and Lindgren keep playing well CMac will have to seriously consider that option.

There's no reason to trade both Girard and Manson, unless you're dead set on keeping Colton for whatever reason. I'd trade Colton way before moving either Girard or Manson.

 

[Richard88]

Or the fact that Lindgren isn’t taking $4m AAV.

Or the fact that Kiviranta might finish with 20 goals and will obviously want more than an embarrassing $1.25m per season.

Or the fact that Landeskog is expected to be a top 6 forward.

Or the fact that Prishchepov is suddenly a top 12, everyday forward.

Or the fact that Drouin walked when he’s the biggest bargain signing for production we can possibly have.

I mean, it’s a Bob lineup.

To be honest I didn't look closer at the roster after seeing that it was a 20 man roster with zero capspace. But thanks for the analysis lol

 

[Richard88]

And meaner.

Not if you ask DeBrincat