Blue Jays Discussion: 2024 Season - Complete without a great title in keeping with the performance

[ryno23]

Ok so those 2 clowns are back. Do we trust them to sign BO and Vlad? If they can sign BO and Vlad. Move Bo to 3B then you can run figure out the middle infield with Cliement, Wagner, Jimminez. You need to get a power bat in LFand RF if you move Spring to DH and 4th outfielder.

Revamp the bullpen with guys throwing 100mph and maybe then you might have a chance to contend

1. Wagner - 2B
2. Bo - 3B
3. Vlad - 1B
4. new guy LF
5. new guy RF
6.Springer DH
7.Kirk - C
8.Varsho - CF
9. Clement/jimmez - SS
Bench - Horwitz - clement or Jimmnez - Lukes, backup catcher
Never want to see Springer leading off again.

1. Gausman
2. Berrios
3. Bassit
4. Francis
5. Rodgriguez
6. Manoah/Tiderman/depth guy


Closer - new closer
Setup - Green/Romano
lefty - little


Get rid of Barger, Scheinder, Berroa they are just AAAA type guys

 

[mikeyz]

What I would give to f*** up at my job as badly as Shapiro and Atkins have at theirs and have their level of job security.

 

[Eyedea]

Ok so those 2 clowns are back. Do we trust them to sign BO and Vlad? If they can sign BO and Vlad. Move Bo to 3B then you can run figure out the middle infield with Cliement, Wagner, Jimminez. You need to get a power bat in LFand RF if you move Spring to DH and 4th outfielder.

Revamp the bullpen with guys throwing 100mph and maybe then you might have a chance to contend

1. Wagner - 2B
2. Bo - 3B
3. Vlad - 1B
4. new guy LF
5. new guy RF
6.Springer DH
7.Kirk - C
8.Varsho - CF
9. Clement/jimmez - SS
Bench - Horwitz - clement or Jimmnez - Lukes, backup catcher
Never want to see Springer leading off again.

1. Gausman
2. Berrios
3. Bassit
4. Francis
5. Rodgriguez
6. Manoah/Tiderman/depth guy


Closer - new closer
Setup - Green/Romano
lefty - little


Get rid of Barger, Scheinder, Berroa they are just AAAA type guys

Why are we moving Springer to DH? His bat barely plays as is at RF but at the very least he brings consistently average defence there.

 

[Eyedea]

Ennis and Bunkis made an amusing observation on their show this morning - if Shatkins were taking over the team just now, they'd start a rebuild in a microsecond, and curse the previous regime for leaving them such a shitty farm system.

Jim Bowden joined the show later and said if they were smart, they'd try to lock up Bo this offseason as the price will never be lower given the season he's just had. Once that's done, move him to 3rd base.

I find it hard to believe that Bo would even entertain a low ball offer this offseason. Especially given how consistent his numbers were from 2021-2023.

 

[Puckstuff]

Ok so those 2 clowns are back. Do we trust them to sign BO and Vlad? If they can sign BO and Vlad. Move Bo to 3B then you can run figure out the middle infield with Cliement, Wagner, Jimminez. You need to get a power bat in LFand RF if you move Spring to DH and 4th outfielder.

Revamp the bullpen with guys throwing 100mph and maybe then you might have a chance to contend

1. Wagner - 2B
2. Bo - 3B
3. Vlad - 1B
4. new guy LF
5. new guy RF
6.Springer DH
7.Kirk - C
8.Varsho - CF
9. Clement/jimmez - SS
Bench - Horwitz - clement or Jimmnez - Lukes, backup catcher
Never want to see Springer leading off again.

1. Gausman
2. Berrios
3. Bassit
4. Francis
5. Rodgriguez
6. Manoah/Tiderman/depth guy


Closer - new closer
Setup - Green/Romano
lefty - little


Get rid of Barger, Scheinder, Berroa they are just AAAA type guys

They aren't going to move Springer to DH when his bat barely plays in RF. They would play Horwitz at DH over Springer.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Ennis and Bunkis made an amusing observation on their show this morning - if Shatkins were taking over the team just now, they'd start a rebuild in a microsecond, and curse the previous regime for leaving them such a shitty farm system.

That's actually a very valid observation.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Ok so those 2 clowns are back. Do we trust them to sign BO and Vlad? If they can sign BO and Vlad. Move Bo to 3B then you can run figure out the middle infield with Cliement, Wagner, Jimminez. You need to get a power bat in LFand RF if you move Spring to DH and 4th outfielder.

Revamp the bullpen with guys throwing 100mph and maybe then you might have a chance to contend

1. Wagner - 2B
2. Bo - 3B
3. Vlad - 1B
4. new guy LF
5. new guy RF
6.Springer DH
7.Kirk - C
8.Varsho - CF
9. Clement/jimmez - SS
Bench - Horwitz - clement or Jimmnez - Lukes, backup catcher
Never want to see Springer leading off again.

1. Gausman
2. Berrios
3. Bassit
4. Francis
5. Rodgriguez
6. Manoah/Tiderman/depth guy


Closer - new closer
Setup - Green/Romano
lefty - little


Get rid of Barger, Scheinder, Berroa they are just AAAA type guys

Moving Bo to 3rd? Good luck, he's so prone to air-mailing a throw from SS you gotta think it'd only get worse from further away.

I'd rather move him to second base but he might say he's not switching positions at ALL, which would put the Jays in a jam.

 

[MK78]

Man, these two idiots said absolutely nothing of substance in these press conferences. No wonder they are the most hated front office in Toronto.

 

[henryasteroidlionnet]

Atkins on offensive needs: "Power is low-hanging fruit to add. In today's game, you have to be cognizant of strikeouts when you do do that." Also says contact is "exceptionally important" in the playoffs, so "not as simple as plug in a power bat" unless they're versatile.​

Four of the six division winners are in the top 10 for home runs hit in 2024.

The Jays are 26th.

Want to talk about playing the game today, Ross? Home runs are absolutely a central part of it.

Get this clown out of here, please.

 

[Cloned]

At least the Astros lost.

 

[MK78]

Atkins on offensive needs: "Power is low-hanging fruit to add. In today's game, you have to be cognizant of strikeouts when you do do that." Also says contact is "exceptionally important" in the playoffs, so "not as simple as plug in a power bat" unless they're versatile.​

Four of the six division winners are in the top 10 for home runs hit in 2024.

The Jays are 26th.

Want to talk about playing the game today, Ross? Home runs are absolutely a central part of it.

Get this clown out of here, please.

Yeah what a moron. Teoscar Hernandez strikes out a lot. It would surely be nice to have his 33HR/99RBI here.

 

[aingefan]

Ok so those 2 clowns are back. Do we trust them to sign BO and Vlad? If they can sign BO and Vlad. Move Bo to 3B then you can run figure out the middle infield with Cliement, Wagner, Jimminez. You need to get a power bat in LFand RF if you move Spring to DH and 4th outfielder.

Revamp the bullpen with guys throwing 100mph and maybe then you might have a chance to contend

1. Wagner - 2B
2. Bo - 3B
3. Vlad - 1B
4. new guy LF
5. new guy RF
6.Springer DH
7.Kirk - C
8.Varsho - CF
9. Clement/jimmez - SS
Bench - Horwitz - clement or Jimmnez - Lukes, backup catcher
Never want to see Springer leading off again.

1. Gausman
2. Berrios
3. Bassit
4. Francis
5. Rodgriguez
6. Manoah/Tiderman/depth guy


Closer - new closer
Setup - Green/Romano
lefty - little


Get rid of Barger, Scheinder, Berroa they are just AAAA type guys

Do all that and they win the World Series tho.
Hyperbole, ya, but if the bullpen held up to its 2023 WAR, and you add the difference between regular Bo and what 2024 SS Jays put up and that’s somewhere between an 8 and 9 win swing, putting even this years incarnation of the team right in the wild card hunt.
That said, yes improvements are needed.
I’d call the off-season a success if they add one legit middle order bat and two high leverage arms.
Also, I think you’ve unlocked the best use for George. Except, id use Horwitz as primary DH vs RH pitching, and give George the other 40 starts there. Then let him spell all the OF spots, say 20 games at each.

 

[aingefan]

Moving Bo to 3rd? Good luck, he's so prone to air-mailing a throw from SS you gotta think it'd only get worse from further away.

I'd rather move him to second base but he might say he's not switching positions at ALL, which would put the Jays in a jam.

I wouldn’t bet anything trying to predict what happens with Bo this off-season.

Hes a tough commitment given how his health has been recently, a tough trade for the same reason.

He’s got lil reason to sign LT with this most recent year on his resume.

Best bet might be add to the team, ride it out for the year, try to win and deal with it next year.

 

[Blitzkrug]

The strikeouts argument is so disingenuous it kinda pisses me off.

Aaron Judge finished 7th in the majors for strikeouts when he had his monster 2022 season. According to Ross Atkins, this is less valuable to him despite Judge hitting 62 homers and having the best all around offensive season we'd seen since Barry Bonds head turned into a thumb. Adolis Garcia finished 8th in 2023 before going on to have a postseason for the ages while you guessed it, striking out a bit under a third of the time. (18 Ks/62 ABs)

Then there's the guys like Kyle Schwarber who while they strike out a ton, still manage to get incredible value despite it.

The Jays finished 2024 with the fifth fewest strikeouts as a team. Four of the six teams who won division titles this year finished in the top 10 for home runs in New York, Philly, Los Angeles and Houston as already pointed out. To further that, 8 of the teams who made the playoffs as a whole finished in the top 12 for home runs. Detroit and Kansas City are the only outliers. Boy striking out less really helped all those not runs you scored, Ross! f***ing dork.

 

[trellaine201]

See ya Baltimore. Another one bites the dust.

 

[canucksfan]

The strikeouts argument is so disingenuous it kinda pisses me off.

Aaron Judge finished 7th in the majors for strikeouts when he had his monster 2022 season. According to Ross Atkins, this is less valuable to him despite Judge hitting 62 homers and having the best all around offensive season we'd seen since Barry Bonds head turned into a thumb. Adolis Garcia finished 8th in 2023 before going on to have a postseason for the ages while you guessed it, striking out a bit under a third of the time. (18 Ks/62 ABs)

Then there's the guys like Kyle Schwarber who while they strike out a ton, still manage to get incredible value despite it.

The Jays finished 2024 with the fifth fewest strikeouts as a team. Four of the six teams who won division titles this year finished in the top 10 for home runs in New York, Philly, Los Angeles and Houston as already pointed out. To further that, 8 of the teams who made the playoffs as a whole finished in the top 12 for home runs. Detroit and Kansas City are the only outliers. Boy striking out less really helped all those not runs you scored, Ross! f***ing dork.

Completely agree. The big problem with the Jays offence is power. When they were among the best, they had power.

Orioles lose again. Pitching was awesome but the hitting shit the bed.

 

[GoonieFace]

How did all those home runs help Houston and Baltimore? It’s just not as simple as hitting home runs

 

[Blitzkrug]

Why Baltimore chose not to walk Witt in either this game or yesterday is something people will be bitching about all offseason.

(No seriously, this team can barely hit. Why give the one guy who actually can beat you that chance?)

 

[Suntouchable13]

Lol Baltimore.

 

[jetsforever]

It's somewhat reassuring that we had a terrible season and finished on Sunday and a team like the Orioles can have a great season and still be eliminated by Wednesday.

 

[Blitzkrug]

How did all those home runs help Houston and Baltimore? It’s just not as simple as hitting home runs

Ah yes because a 2 game sample size (in Baltimore's case against one of the best rotations in baseball) is totally enough to discredit that argument

It's not that simple, but it also kinda is when the rest of your offensive stats are actually decent.

 

[MK78]

Orioles lost too, heh. I guess i dont feel so bad now.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Orioles lost too, heh. I guess i dont feel so bad now.

Someone punt the Yankees out of the playoffs next.

Once they're gone i don't really have any issues with the teams left winning it all. Even KC since their days of being dicks feels like eons ago.

 

[henryasteroidlionnet]

How did all those home runs help Houston and Baltimore? It’s just not as simple as hitting home runs

It is if you want to make it into the playoffs.

 

[Eyedea]

It is if you want to make it into the playoffs.

And it’s dawned on people that it miraculously guarantees runs in the postseason too.

The straight answer is that you can legitimately throw any stats from the regular season out the window once postseason comes around. It wouldn’t even shock me if the Dodgers get swept by the Padres/Braves.