Blue Jays Discussion: 2024 Season (better title pending)

[aingefan]

Common trades….?

 

[shaner8989]

We already made trades…

Teoscar Hernandez for Eric Swanson
Loudres Guriel and Gabriel Moreno for Varsho

Jays also made trades to acquire the likes of
Zach Pop…. Garbage
Mitch White… Garbage
Anthony Bass…. Garbage
Whit Merrifeild…. Was fine but is garbage

This franchise is a pos.

I cannot believe the 2 idiots running the show are still here

Fraud franchise. So unlikeable

 

[Suntouchable13]

It will be interesting to see what they do in the off season and what happens next season, if they begin slow again and are not FUN TO WATCH, people will stop going.

Yes, but now with all the ballpark renos the game is actually a social outing. And a lot of people are there not for the baseball. That's my feeling.

 

[phillipmike]

Was on the JD Bunkis show and said:
-this was the weakest high school draft in MLB history as the least amount of high school players were drafted ever
-there were no high upside high school players in this draft
-the overwhelming depth in the draft was college arms which is what the Jays targetted
-in his opinion the Jays took more upside this year than in years past
-Yesavage (pronounced "YES-a-vich") has the best starting traits of all the first round pick pitchers; Burns has reliever risk, Smith had an elbow injury and Montgomery is right there with Yesavage
-Jays had Yesavage just outside their top 10. He was the most realistic best case scenario
-Graded the Jays draft as B. Liked it better than the last 2 drafts
-Says Yesavage will challenge Orelvis and Ricky for #1 prospect status. Currently has Ricky #1, Orelvis #2 and Yesavage a very close 3.

 

[LaP]

Jays and Vladdy not close on extension.

Good trade the bum

Man i'm worried about letting Atkins trade Vlad. Vlad is not the type of player you trade for a defesive specialist or relief pitcher.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Man i'm worried about letting Atkins trade Vlad. Vlad is not the type of player you trade for a defesive specialist or relief pitcher.

If Shapiro keeps Atkins then I don't see anything to get excited about no matter which direction Jays go in. 0 confidence in him.

 

[dredeye]

Man i'm worried about letting Atkins trade Vlad. Vlad is not the type of player you trade for a defesive specialist or relief pitcher.

Bo and Vlad IMO are dealt with by the next group. No way Atkins is around much after we are eliminated and the first task the new GM will have which won't be fun is to sign both Vlad and Bo and if they can't make the numbers work to trade them immediately. It's why having Atkins on board through the deadline is a nightmare because you don't want him and his bad trade record making those deals.

If Shapiro keeps Atkins then I don't see anything to get excited about no matter which direction Jays go in. 0 confidence in him.

Not a chance he has a job after this season unless the jays magically catch fire and get into the post season. But I agree completely. If he's around after this season they'll lose some significant true ball fans

 

[trellaine201]

Seriously you can’t even make this stuff up lmao

Joey Votto tweaks right ankle before expected Buffalo Bisons debut, will be re-evaluated | TSN

Toronto Blue Jays infielder Joey Votto was pulled from the Buffalo Bisons' lineup shortly before he was expected to make his Triple-A debut on Firday. The Blue Jays said Votto "tweaked" his right ankle and will be re-evaluated on Saturday.

www.tsn.ca

 

[weems]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1814448815484637426

 

[Amadeus]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1814448815484637426

Soft

 

[trellaine201]

Yet they still attend

 

[Scintillating10]

Soft

Blue Jays not in good situation

Soft

Blue Jays not in good situation

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Blue Jays not in good situation


Blue Jays not in good situation

We heard you the first time.

 

[TGB]

As I stated long before they started posting articles about it, the Jays will be looking to retool for next season rather than just trading for prospects.

Since the core starting staff still has a good chance of being good, Springer isn't going anywhere (although stranger things have happened *coughvernonwellscough*), the stats apparently show Horwitz is actually pretty good at second (I don't see it but that's what the metrics are saying so...), and the Jays have stated on multiple occasions they really like Jansen, the biggest needs the Jays will need to address is another long term starter, offense from left field, and offense from third base.

Pieces most viable for securing these pieces, that aren't just relievers on expiring contracts because nobody is likely to give up anything truly good for them, are Bichette (assuming he's not injured), Kirk (because you really don't need two #1 catchers and an everyday 3b/Lf is way more important) and Schneider (because I can totally see this management giving up on him too soon and some other team jumping to snatch him up). Although nobody wants to see Bichette go, he doesn't seem to want to be here and this organization is loaded with SS players. SS isn't normally an offensive position anyway, and you would make it up with offense from 3rd and Left. Kirk's term is up soon, and while he is useful, when we're talking retooling, you have to give up players like him. Schneider may have offensive potential but we've seen so many guys explode onto the scene and then nosedive afterwards I can see this management being spooked, and his defense is overall blah, so I imagine trading him for offense at a position loaded with infield prospects might seem like a good idea to the Jays.

It's entirely possible this won't happen, but if the Jays are making the kind of moves they need to seriously retool for 25', then it's likely these moves, and it's likely these players that will go. I just can't envision them pulling it off with other players, but again, stranger things have happened.

 

[Scintillating10]

We heard you the first time.

That mess deserves repeating. One of worst teams in baseball with a 240 million dollar payroll. Empty farm system

 

[Thornbury]

As I stated long before they started posting articles about it, the Jays will be looking to retool for next season rather than just trading for prospects.

Since the core starting staff still has a good chance of being good, Springer isn't going anywhere (although stranger things have happened *coughvernonwellscough*), the stats apparently show Horwitz is actually pretty good at second (I don't see it but that's what the metrics are saying so...), and the Jays have stated on multiple occasions they really like Jansen, the biggest needs the Jays will need to address is another long term starter, offense from left field, and offense from third base.

Pieces most viable for securing these pieces, that aren't just relievers on expiring contracts because nobody is likely to give up anything truly good for them, are Bichette (assuming he's not injured), Kirk (because you really don't need two #1 catchers and an everyday 3b/Lf is way more important) and Schneider (because I can totally see this management giving up on him too soon and some other team jumping to snatch him up). Although nobody wants to see Bichette go, he doesn't seem to want to be here and this organization is loaded with SS players. SS isn't normally an offensive position anyway, and you would make it up with offense from 3rd and Left. Kirk's term is up soon, and while he is useful, when we're talking retooling, you have to give up players like him. Schneider may have offensive potential but we've seen so many guys explode onto the scene and then nosedive afterwards I can see this management being spooked, and his defense is overall blah, so I imagine trading him for offense at a position loaded with infield prospects might seem like a good idea to the Jays.

It's entirely possible this won't happen, but if the Jays are making the kind of moves they need to seriously retool for 25', then it's likely these moves, and it's likely these players that will go. I just can't envision them pulling it off with other players, but again, stranger things have happened.

Surely Schneider has almost zero trade value.

 

[aingefan]

Kikuchi should net a nice package.
Garcia should net a nice package.
Richards should net a nice prospect.
Jansen, how much of a market will there be?
If they’re retooling, I hope they target legit prospects in the above deals rather than guys lingering and overcooked in AAA.
Look for those types in Kiermaier and Turner trades, even if it means paying some cash.
Sounds like there’s no appetite for moving on from anyone with term, but I hope they’re listening at least.

 

[saska sault]

I doubt they do it but Id entertain trading Bo if they can get some young semi proven talent.. similar to the Varsho deal. A team making a push willing to give up controllable years for an upgrade. He is having a down year but should net a significant return, no one has more hits the last 3 years in the AL. Move on from anyone with a signifcant contract for whatever you can get, gain a little more flexibility and make Vlad your franchise corner stone. They need to keep one of the 2 or the last 5 years or so are a complete waste. With the salaries going around, Vlad making 30 plus long term should not be an issue.

 

[MK78]

I doubt they do it but Id entertain trading Bo if they can get some young semi proven talent.. similar to the Varsho deal. A team making a push willing to give up controllable years for an upgrade. He is having a down year but should net a significant return, no one has more hits the last 3 years in the AL. Move on from anyone with a signifcant contract for whatever you can get, gain a little more flexibility and make Vlad your franchise corner stone. They need to keep one of the 2 or the last 5 years or so are a complete waste. With the salaries going around, Vlad making 30 plus long term should not be an issue.

Well i think trading this season is out the window since had re-injured his calf, and no team will want to take the risk, since he either didn't fully recover or it just gave up on him again in the first game he was back.

Its probably unlikely he's back before the deadline anyway, possibly longer. Calf issues can be tricky, remember Donaldson? although he was much older than Bo obviously.

 

[Old Navy Goat]

Well i think trading this season is out the window since had re-injured his calf, and no team will want to take the risk, since he either didn't fully recover or it just gave up on him again in the first game he was back.

Its probably unlikely he's back before the deadline anyway, possibly longer. Calf issues can be tricky, remember Donaldson? although he was much older than Bo obviously.

He's a buy low candidate for contenders. They'll look at age, career history, and team control hoping for a steal

 

[EpochLink]

Trainwreck of a season

 

[LaP]

He's a buy low candidate for contenders. They'll look at age, career history, and team control hoping for a steal

Yeah but you don't trade Bo low this year,

At this point you have to believe Atkins have nude photos of some of the owners.

 

[dredeye]

Kikuchi should net a nice package.
Garcia should net a nice package.
Richards should net a nice prospect.
Jansen, how much of a market will there be?
If they’re retooling, I hope they target legit prospects in the above deals rather than guys lingering and overcooked in AAA.
Look for those types in Kiermaier and Turner trades, even if it means paying some cash.
Sounds like there’s no appetite for moving on from anyone with term, but I hope they’re listening at least.

Kikuchi will get an decent return
Garcia Will get a decent return
Richards is almost a giveaway with his recent play.
Jansen hitting like trash for over a month has killed his value. Might get a decent prospect but nothing exciting
Turner and KK will get low a low ceiling prospect returns and we’ll eat pretty much all their contracts to get that garbage piece
Outside chance they move Gausman but I don’t think Atkins will even have permissions to trade anyone that still has a contract past this season.

I doubt they do it but Id entertain trading Bo if they can get some young semi proven talent.. similar to the Varsho deal. A team making a push willing to give up controllable years for an upgrade. He is having a down year but should net a significant return, no one has more hits the last 3 years in the AL. Move on from anyone with a signifcant contract for whatever you can get, gain a little more flexibility and make Vlad your franchise corner stone. They need to keep one of the 2 or the last 5 years or so are a complete waste. With the salaries going around, Vlad making 30 plus long term should not be an issue.

I’m on board with moving the pieces but I think it’ll be in the off season. Atkins has not done well at all with trades. Especially when we are getting the futures. I think they’ll let the new management make those moves. Like if they can’t extend Bo and Vlad they move them in the off season.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Is Rooker available? If you can get Rooker to be your DH, and throw stupid money at Soto in the off season, the offence looks much revamped for 2025. Plus if this is the Vladdy we are getting going forward, then we're cooking.

Springer RF
Soto LF
Vladdy 1B
Rooker DH
Bo SS
Horwitz 2B
Varsho CF
IKF 3B
Kirk C

 

[Amadeus]

This is one of the worst Blue Jays team I've seen. What's more criminal is how excited Ross was about this team which he clearly said before the season. For that reason, the guy should be fired. A terrible development staff and an even worst farm system. We need massive changes!