Patriots/NFL 2024 Regular Season

EverettMike

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I don't think he said anything groundbreaking or particularly controversial here.

Actually, this is pretty f***ing ridiculous:

"I tried to do it in a classy way."

Yes, and then you told Atlanta not to hire him and released a ten-episode hit job on him. f*** you, you f***ing embarrassing fraud.
 

BigBadBruins7708

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I don't think he said anything groundbreaking or particularly controversial here.

problem is its pretty apparent "checks and balances" means "me and my idiot son want to play GM and have a say in the football ops".

also their first offseason with these checks and balances amounted to not hiring a GM, promoting an assistant to head coach and leaving $50m in cap on the table while only bringing back low cost players from a 3 win team
 
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problem is its pretty apparent "checks and balances" means "me and my idiot son want to play GM and have a say in the football ops".

also they're first offseason with these checks and balances amounted to not hiring a GM, promoting an assistant to head coach and leaving $50m in cap on the table while only bringing back low cost players from a 3 win team
Great post.

What Bob and Jonathan probably don’t remember is that the whole “checks and balances” model failed miserably in the Pete Carroll Era (1997-1999). If we’re just looking at the Patriots, the Bill Parcells/Bill Belichick model of “total control” is what has produced the best results.

Bob Kraft suffers from an affliction that plagues many successful people - he thinks he’s smarter than everyone else. Unfortunately, as brilliant a businessman as he is, he’s not a football genius. I won’t even discuss Jonny-boy. Until Kraft allows football people to make football decisions, we’re going to get the same results we’ve been getting.
 

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Actually, this is pretty f***ing ridiculous:

"I tried to do it in a classy way."

Yes, and then you told Atlanta not to hire him and released a ten-episode hit job on him. f*** you, you f***ing embarrassing fraud.
For what it's worth, at times I think Kraft, Belichick, and Brady have all been guilty of putting out their own spin on certain events that transpired over their 20+ years together.

I get it. I'm not going to vilify one of them over another based on limited information.

problem is its pretty apparent "checks and balances" means "me and my idiot son want to play GM and have a say in the football ops".

also they're first offseason with these checks and balances amounted to not hiring a GM, promoting an assistant to head coach and leaving $50m in cap on the table while only bringing back low cost players from a 3 win team
They own the team... they SHOULD have some say in football operations.

And I'm not sure "checks and balances" means the Krafts want to start picking players. Maybe it means that in situations where the scouts want Deebo Samuel and Bill wants N'Keal Harry, that Bill isn't allowed to completely disregard the multi-million dollar scouting operation because he's friends with Harry's college coach.
 

Johnnyduke

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Always depressing seeing good WRs go elsewhere.

Meanwhile the braintrust in Foxboro drafts bust after bust, signs nothing players like KJ Osborn. Thornton and Baker can't get on field and Polk cannot catch the football. When he does he lands out of bounds. Not great!
 

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For what it's worth, at times I think Kraft, Belichick, and Brady have all been guilty of putting out their own spin on certain events that transpired over their 20+ years together.

I get it. I'm not going to vilify one of them over another based on limited information.


They own the team... they SHOULD have some say in football operations.

And I'm not sure "checks and balances" means the Krafts want to start picking players. Maybe it means that in situations where the scouts want Deebo Samuel and Bill wants N'Keal Harry, that Bill isn't allowed to completely disregard the multi-million dollar scouting operation because he's friends with Harry's college coach.

I thought Belichick lost his GM "check" when Pioli left. I think you could say the same thing for coaching when Weis and Crennel left. Sure Belichick hired Pioli in the first place with Cleveland, but you could still consider him a contemporary, and someone who would push back. As the years went on, everyone left was a student of Belichick, and that's not a group that's going to have a different perspective, or be willing to push back.
 
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BigGoalBrad

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I would have tried to get Amari Cooper for Drake Maye. Might have given him to us for a little less than the Bills coughed up a 4th from the Pats is pretty much equal to a third from the Bills.
 
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The last 3-4 years wasn't good enough so after firing the coach of a 4-13 football team, Kraft's football team mostly promoted the staff Belichick built for 3 of the 4 most important coaching and front office positions and the one outsider is a guy getting paid by someone else because he got fired.


The defense looks worse than it did last year and even with Maye making the offense watchable, you have guys like Kurt Warner basically saying the offensive coaching is shitty when he watched the tape of Sunday. I'm with Mike, Kraft should just shut the f*** up. Phase 1 of the post Belichick era just looks like the scraps of what Belichick left behind being put together as cheaply as possible while chanting collaboration.
 

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problem is its pretty apparent "checks and balances" means "me and my idiot son want to play GM and have a say in the football ops".

also their first offseason with these checks and balances amounted to not hiring a GM, promoting an assistant to head coach and leaving $50m in cap on the table while only bringing back low cost players from a 3 win team
I point to this every time someone wants to do nothing but just blame Belichick and that he left them nothing.
 

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The last 3-4 years wasn't good enough so after firing the coach of a 4-13 football team, Kraft's football team mostly promoted the staff Belichick built for 3 of the 4 most important coaching and front office positions and the one outsider is a guy getting paid by someone else because he got fired.


The defense looks worse than it did last year and even with Maye making the offense watchable, you have guys like Kurt Warner basically saying the offensive coaching is shitty when he watched the tape of Sunday. I'm with Mike, Kraft should just shut the f*** up. Phase 1 of the post Belichick era just looks like the scraps of what Belichick left behind being put together as cheaply as possible while chanting collaboration.

At this rate if they do hire an outsider, we're all but guaranteed to see another "groceries" press conference
 

Smitty93

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The last 3-4 years wasn't good enough so after firing the coach of a 4-13 football team, Kraft's football team mostly promoted the staff Belichick built for 3 of the 4 most important coaching and front office positions and the one outsider is a guy getting paid by someone else because he got fired.


The defense looks worse than it did last year and even with Maye making the offense watchable, you have guys like Kurt Warner basically saying the offensive coaching is shitty when he watched the tape of Sunday. I'm with Mike, Kraft should just shut the f*** up. Phase 1 of the post Belichick era just looks like the scraps of what Belichick left behind being put together as cheaply as possible while chanting collaboration.

Being a good leader requires many different skills, but there may not be a more important one than the ability to self-evaluate. Identifying what's good in your organization and what needs to change is paramount to success. I think it's been clear since January that the Krafts are struggling with this.

It inherently doesn't make sense that you no longer trust the decision-making of Belichick, but somehow trust all of the hires he had previously made. Now we're left in a situation that you may screw up your Maye investment simply because of the people you surround him with, and you're so worried about screwing up that investment that you're paralyzed by the fear that making changes will screw him up, and thus your inaction actually makes it become reality.
 
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