HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[WeThreeKings]

Agree.

The price for 7,10,11 is Guhle, not Matheson.

If we could get out of the draft with Lindstrom and Iginla, i would certainly entertain it.

Do we have the LD depth to assume a Guhle trade ?

They're not trading Guhle.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1800558933079138773

 

[Hannibal]

In 2 weeks we could be picking Ivan Demidov.

Boff… that supposed to feel good when you watch those playoffs?

Heck, i would be more confident in Sennecke than Demidov god dammit.

 

[Shutdown]

Boff… that supposed to feel good when you watch those playoffs?

Heck, i would be more confident in Sennecke than Demidov god dammit.

good thing Ken Holland isn't in charge of building the Habs

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Boff… that supposed to feel good when you watch those playoffs?

Heck, i would be more confident in Sennecke than Demidov god dammit.

Demidov is fine if you don't have Nurse playing 20+ minutes a night or Skinner starting lol

 

[Hannibal]

Demidov is fine if you don't have Nurse playing 20+ minutes a night or Skinner starting lol

Im really not confident in Demidov’s play being as much dominant in NA as he is in the MHL. He won’t be able to attack 1vs3 and get through them. Only Mcdavid can do that.

 

[Kents polished head]

Where are you getting your odds from?

My common sense.

And most betting websites now have Sennecke rising and Iginla dropping.

So yeah. I fully expect us to draft Sennecke. All it takes is either Chicago or Anaheim to pick Demidov, or us deciding once again to pass on Demidov because of the Russian factor like we did with Michkov last season.

Im really not confident in Demidov’s play being as much dominant in NA as he is in the MHL. He won’t be able to attack 1vs3 and get through them. Only Mcdavid can do that.

Well, I have bad news for you if you think Sennecke is any better in that aspect.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Im really not confident in Demidov’s play being as much dominant in NA as he is in the MHL. He won’t be able to attack 1vs3 and get through them. Only Mcdavid can do that.

I certainly don't expect him to put up 2 PPG but he's a very smart player and I don't doubt he'll be able to adapt. He certainly won't become less deceptive.

 

[Hannibal]

My common sense.

And most betting websites now have Sennecke rising and Iginla dropping.

So yeah. I fully expect us to draft Sennecke. All it takes is either Chicago or Anaheim to pick Demidov, or us deciding once again to pass on Demidov because of the Russian factor like we did with Michkov last season.



Well, I have bad news for you if you think Sennecke is any better in that aspect.

I think Sennecke’s play is even more easier to project in the Pro than Demidov’s.

And i’m not even that much of a Sennecke’s fans. Much prefer Iginla.

 

[Habs Halifax]

My common sense.

And most betting websites now have Sennecke rising and Iginla dropping.

So yeah. I fully expect us to draft Sennecke. All it takes is either Chicago or Anaheim to pick Demidov, or us deciding once again to pass on Demidov because of the Russian factor like we did with Michkov last season.



Well, I have bad news for you if you think Sennecke is any better in that aspect.

Your common sense is not real odds. It's your opinion.

I am not sure what we do but if we take Sennecke 5th, I'll be very surprised. I'm also waiting for Bob's new ranking. Bet you Bob will have Iggy 6-10 range and Sennecke 8-13 range. We will see

 

[Slew Foots]

Yes, they are both big risers but Sennecke rose the most from mid-season to the end of the season. The argument is that if you see Sennecke as a 'riser' as a negative, then Iginla also qualifies as a riser, it's not a good argument to knock one down and simultaneously lift the other up.

It isn't about the extra 2 inches, it's about the fact that Sennecke was seen as a mid first round pick coming into the year as a 5'11" guy.. now those skills are in a near 6'3" frame and he showed a command and dominance with that frame late in the year and into the playoffs.

If you like the higher floor in Iginla, power to you, but personally, if i'm forced to choose one of Sennecke or Iginla, I'm going upside at 5, because I want a game breaking forward and Sennecke could be that where Iginla hasn't shown quite those qualities but you can be assured you are at least getting a Jake Debrusk level player and some people prefer that cost certainty.

I just don't think the debate of Sennecke vs. Iginla should have someone thinking an opposite opinion is wrong or lunacy.. the same way that I prefer Parekh to Buium, but the opposite opinion isn't lunacy there either.

People have preferences on what they like and value more and that's what we are really looking at here in this draft. This isn't like saying you'd rather take Iginla over Celebrini where there's a clear differential between the prospects at this point in time.

Just a quick note on Sennecke: it seems like he actually came into the year as 6'2" if you look at McKenzie's pre-season 2024 rankings: Bobby Margarita's 2024 NHL Draft preseason rankings

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Your common sense is not real odds. It's your opinion.

I am not sure what we do but if we take Sennecke 5th, I'll be very surprised. I'm also waiting for Bob's new ranking. Bet you Bob will have Iggy 6-10 range and Sennecke 8-13 range. We will see

I don't really see any scenario in which we take Sennecke at 5. From everything we've heard it seems like we'll have one of Demidov or Lindstrom there who are highest on our board, and if they're both gone we'll go D.

 

[Hannibal]

I certainly don't expect him to put up 2 PPG but he's a very smart player and I don't doubt he'll be able to adapt. He certainly won't become less deceptive.

We’ll see i guess, but i’m not that much of a fan.

One thing for sure, he ain’t a slam dunk superstar like many posters here think he is. Far from it.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Boff… that supposed to feel good when you watch those playoffs?

Heck, i would be more confident in Sennecke than Demidov god dammit.

Yes, it still feels good to have a highly skilled player on the team. Oilers won't win but those issues are due to the depth, defense and goaltending. The high end talent on their powerplay got them all the way to the cup finals.

Plus we know this management group values size and puts a premium on it, they aren't gonna move away from that if Demidov is the BPA.

We all want Lindstrom but we're not getting him and we aren't reaching on Iginla, a whole tier worse of a forward when there's a legitimate star talent on the board.

Demidov is competitive and tries all over the ice, this isn't a Michkov style.

Just a quick note on Sennecke: it seems like he actually came into the year as 6'2" if you look at McKenzie's pre-season 2024 rankings: Bobby Margarita's 2024 NHL Draft preseason rankings

Yes but no one had seen him play at that size yet, so his ranking was off of who he was as a prospect the year prior.

I don't really see any scenario in which we take Sennecke at 5. From everything we've heard it seems like we'll have one of Demidov or Lindstrom there who are highest on our board, and if they're both gone we'll go D.

The forward vs. defense calculus is still in effect.. I wouldn't discount it still happening if they don't feel that the defenseman remaining are that much better than Sennecke/Iginla. They're just not going to pick a 2nd line forward over what they perceive to be a 1st pair defenseman, we don't know how they feel explicitly.

 

[Slew Foots]

This is the only rational top 10 you should have:

1. Celebrini
2. Demidov
3. Dickinson
4. Buium
5. Lindstrom
6. Catton
7. Iginla
8. Levshunov
9. Silayev
10. Yakemchuk

Yes but no one had seen him play at that size yet, so his ranking was off of who he was as a prospect the year prior.

I doubt he shot up 3 inches over a single summer, but fair point nonetheless

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

This is the only rational top 10 you should have:

1. Celebrini
2. Demidov
3. Dickinson
4. Buium
5. Lindstrom
6. Catton
7. Iginla
8. Levshunov
9. Silayev
10. Yakemchuk


Fair point

Actually, THIS is the only rational top 10 you can have:

1. Celebrini
2. Demidov
3. Catton
4. Buium
5. Dickinson
6. Iginla
7. Lindstrom
8. Levshunov
9. Sennecke
10. Parekh

 

[Slew Foots]

Actually, THIS is the only rational top 10 you can have:

1. Celebrini
2. Demidov
3. Catton
4. Buium
5. Dickinson
6. Iginla
7. Lindstrom
8. Levshunov
9. Sennecke
10. Parekh

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Buium is pretty much what Hutson fans think Hutson is.

Buium does not possess the elite edgework and skill level that Hutson has. Buiums really good at those things, and a little bigger, but Hutson is the more dynamic talent albeit smaller.

 

[morhilane]

Just a quick note on Sennecke: it seems like he actually came into the year as 6'2" if you look at McKenzie's pre-season 2024 rankings: Bobby Margarita's 2024 NHL Draft preseason rankings

Sennecke wasn't 6'2'' in his D-1. Scouts were high on the 5'11'' version already.

 

[Hannibal]

Yes, it still feels good to have a highly skilled player on the team. Oilers won't win but those issues are due to the depth, defense and goaltending. The high end talent on their powerplay got them all the way to the cup finals.

Plus we know this management group values size and puts a premium on it, they aren't gonna move away from that if Demidov is the BPA.

We all want Lindstrom but we're not getting him and we aren't reaching on Iginla, a whole tier worse of a forward when there's a legitimate star talent on the board.

Demidov is competitive and tries all over the ice, this isn't a Michkov style.



Yes but no one had seen him play at that size yet, so his ranking was off of who he was as a prospect the year prior.



The forward vs. defense calculus is still in effect.. I wouldn't discount it still happening if they don't feel that the defenseman remaining are that much better than Sennecke/Iginla. They're just not going to pick a 2nd line forward over what they perceive to be a 1st pair defenseman, we don't know how they feel explicitly.

Still, i found reassuring the fact that Basu said that in the scenario where Demidov is available and Lindstrom isn’t, that Demidov isn’t the sure bet anymore. Habs management has reserve.

 

[Slew Foots]

Habs need a gamebreaker more than anything else.

Pop quiz children: what's the last year the habs managed to draft a player who finished the season top 10 in points (while still on the habs)?

Answer: 19effin79 (Mats Naslund...who only did it once)

No more galaxybraining picks kids: if Demidov is available, you take him.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Still, i found reassuring the fact that Basu said that in the scenario where Demidov is available and Lindstrom isn’t, that Demidov isn’t the sure bet anymore. Habs management has reserve.

I've listened to him on two separate podcasts, one that was out yesterday from the Athletic.

If Lindstrom and Demidov are there, they'll take Lindstrom.
If Demidov is there but Lindstrom isn't, they will take Demidov.

If both are gone, then it's their calculus of whether the next tier of forward, Sennecke or Iginla, is held in the same regard they hold Buium and Parekh.

 

[Hannibal]

I've listened to him on two separate podcasts, one that was out yesterday from the Athletic.

If Lindstrom and Demidov are there, they'll take Lindstrom.
If Demidov is there but Lindstrom isn't, they will take Demidov.

If both are gone, then it's their calculus of whether the next tier of forward, Sennecke or Iginla, is held in the same regard they hold Buium and Parekh.

He said that he thinks its gonna be Demidov but theres a possibility that the Habs go in another direction.

 

[Slew Foots]

I've listened to him on two separate podcasts, one that was out yesterday from the Athletic.

If Lindstrom and Demidov are there, they'll take Lindstrom.
If Demidov is there but Lindstrom isn't, they will take Demidov.

If both are gone, then it's their calculus of whether the next tier of forward, Sennecke or Iginla, is held in the same regard they hold Buium and Parekh.

I like Iginla and Sennecke, but I can't see either becoming a true gamebreaker. If Lindstrom and Demidov are gone at 5 (which I'd be pissed about), and they refuse to take the BPA (which is likely a D at that point) because they insist on a forward, then I'd rather see them gamble on Catton (i.e., on a guy who mayyyy one day have a chance at being gamebreaker if everything goes his way).

But we all know the habs won't do that. And your read of what the habs are thinking based on what they're putting out through their trusted propagandists (i.e., Basu, Godin and McGAG) is accurate.

There are players that help you thrive in the playoffs, but you also need players to get you to the playoffs - with ease.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Buium does not possess the elite edgework and skill level that Hutson has. Buiums really good at those things, and a little bigger, but Hutson is the more dynamic talent albeit smaller.

It seems like a lot of people are just statwatching with Buium. He's not as good offensively as Fox was in college despite the point totals, but I believe he's better defensively than Fox was (Fox was a bit of a mess in the defensive zone his first season, still blows me away how good he became in the pros).

Still, I think playstyle-wise that's going to be his closest pro comparable, especially if his skating remains at the level it's at.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

I do agree with Pronman that Demidov is probably closer to Lucas Raymond level of player than he is to Panarin/Kaprizov. The expectations of this player are getting very high and especially our fanbase who is drooling for a high skill player is overrating him.

Still take him at 5, but I feel like he's being set up to fail. People will expect him to become a 90+ point player or something ridiculous.