HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Schooner Guy]

Erik Gudbranson, Cam Barker, Griffin Reinhart have been aswell high on Bob McKenzie list all season long and play big minutes on their junior team.

Very true but top 4 minutes in KHL at age 17 and 6ft7 with high end wheels! Oh man!

In any event, please post pictures of your busted up TV if the Habs do happen to take Silayev!

 

[le_sean]

30th, 27th, 6th, 12th, and 22nd all time in scoring.

Okay? You said points=better. Those guys racked up points because of longevity.

The original argument is Pietrangelo vs Karlsson. Pietrangelo gets you 50 points AND great defensive play. That’s more valuable than 80 points and dogshit defence.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'd take Karlsson over Pietrangelo in a redraft, cups or not. He's just a better player. For me it's about the ceiling.

I still think Eiserman has a higher ceiling than anyone other than Cellebrini. Came into this year as a possible number one and has slid - for good reason - due to holes in his game. But STILL put up mind boggling numbers.

I think he’d kill it here.

 

[waitin425]

If somehow Hughes pulls the trigger on a Zegras trade, we won’t be drafting Demidov.

If Zegras gets traded.....even if it isn't to us....Anaheim probably picks Demi to replace Zegras.

 

[Andrei79]

Wow, I didn't know that. He's just an exceptional kid all around. But he need to learn rispek

From Wheelers article:
"Both Zayne and his brother Aydin “blew through school.” Where some players manage to accelerate their high-schooling by one year, Parekh did by two, finishing at 16 so that he was done when he entered the OHL. He has already taken some courses through the University of Toronto."

He apparently takes an analytical approach to his game and recognizes his weaknesses. I'm just hoping he's not drafted within the division.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Okay? You said points=better. Those guys racked up points because of longevity.

The original argument is Pietrangelo vs Karlsson. Pietrangelo gets you 50 points AND great defensive play. That’s more valuable than 80 points and dogshit defence.

Karlsson was a 100 point player a couple of years ago. And he should actually have four Norris trophies.

 

[Milhouse40]

 

[NotProkofievian]

Okay? You said points=better. Those guys racked up points because of longevity.

The original argument is Pietrangelo vs Karlsson. Pietrangelo gets you 50 points AND great defensive play. That’s more valuable than 80 points and dogshit defence.

I said that the best Dmen are also the most productive Dmen. And they are.

You gave a few counter examples so let's go through them:

Niklas Lidstrom won cups in 97, 98, 2002, and 2008. In those seasons he was 5th, 1st, 2nd and 1st in dman scoring. In 1998, the top three scoring Dmen were three of your examples, Scottie, Nik, and Zubov in that order. 2007, the top dman scorer was Scott Niedermayer. Pronger was 7th.

How you thought listing several of the most productive Dmen of their generation was any kind of a counter to the claim that the best Dmen are also the most productive ones is beyond me.

 

[Doublechin]

Erik Gudbranson, Cam Barker, Griffin Reinhart have been aswell high on Bob McKenzie list all season long and play big minutes on their junior team.

They all had one thing in common and were not known for their skating ability

It's one of Silyaev's forces, add his elite defensive abilities and shutdown effectiveness and you've already got a top 5 player with his size in most drafts

Add the raw offensive potential and Sky's the limit, if he wasn't playing in the KHL, he'd be the odds on favorite for number two

 

[Andrei79]

I could see something like this happening. Though I would be floored if Dickinson lasted until 11.

I think Ottawa is definitely in on either Yakemchuk or Parekh. Both would fit their team. Hell, both would fit our team. I would absolutely hate if it happened though.

Seeing how close ranks 2-12 are, Hughes really needs to find a way to get another pick in that range.

 

[Leto]

I could see something like this happening. Though I would be floored if Dickinson lasted until 11.

I think Ottawa is definitely in on either Yakemchuk or Parekh. Both would fit their team. Hell, both would fit our team. I would absolutely hate if it happened though.

A successful Yakemchuk on the Senators make them even more insufferable. I'd much rather see him go to a team in the West.​

 

[Redux91]

Karlsson almost singlehandedly dragged Ottawa to the cup final Price-style, I don't think he was the reason they didn't win one lmao

Great! I'm convinced! Go on and draft Parekh then,
Go on!
We'll get to 'almost a cup final'!

We're SET

 

[Andrei79]

Erik Gudbranson, Cam Barker, Griffin Reinhart have been aswell high on Bob McKenzie list all season long and play big minutes on their junior team.

Zherdev, Galchenyuk, Yakupov were high on Bobs list too once upon a time.

The lesson here is players of all styles and size succeed and bust.

Silayev's defensive game at his age is very impressed. At least part of his game is already pro polished, which you don't usually expect from a 6'7" player. He's a Seider type pick. The tools are there to develop an offensive game and if he does, he suddenly becomes one of the most sought out players in the league

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I think if Demidov and Dickinson are available at 5, it's a coin flip as to which player Habs take.

It will be an easy choice to pick Demidov. They aren't going to pick an LD if Demidov/Lindstrom is there.

 

[Andrei79]

A successful Yakemchuk on the Senators make them even more insufferable. I'd much rather see him go to a team in the West.​

100%. There's not much talk about Parekh or Yakemchuk but both bring unique skillsets. I would be pissed to see Yakemchuk on Ottawa with Tkachuk though.

 

[Andrei79]

Okay? You said points=better. Those guys racked up points because of longevity.

The original argument is Pietrangelo vs Karlsson. Pietrangelo gets you 50 points AND great defensive play. That’s more valuable than 80 points and dogshit defence.

I saw the list you posted and all of them save Niedermayer before Anaheim were big time point producers. Niedermayer, once out of NJs system, was one of the best producing defensemen. Heck, 1998 had Lidstrom, Niedermayer and Zubov as the top 3 scoring D's. All guys with multiple top 1-2-3-5-10 finishes in scoring.

 

[Hannibal]

I gotta say, i really really love Sam Dickinson. If Lindstrom is gone before us, he woul be right up there with Iginla for me. Even if he’s LD.

Guhle-Reinbacher
Dickinson-Hutson
Xhekaj-Mailloux

Yes, best d-core in the whole league. Develop Hutson at RD.

 

[waitin425]

I gotta say, i really really love Sam Dickinson. If Lindstrom is gone before us, he woul be right up there with Iginla for me. Even if he’s LD.

There is as close to zero bust risk with Dickinson as there can be. His ceiling is Blues version of Pietrangelo. His floor is Habs version of Petry.

 

[le_sean]

I saw the list you posted and all of them save Niedermayer before Anaheim were big time point producers. Niedermayer, once out of NJs system, was one of the best producing defensemen. Heck, 1998 had Lidstrom, Niedermayer and Zubov as the top 3 scoring D's. All guys with multiple top 1-2-3-5-10 finishes in scoring.

Yeah they got points, like Pietrangelo. The argument isn’t that a defenceman with 0 points and elite defensively is better than a defenceman that gets 80 points. The argument is that the 20-30 point difference doesn’t overcome the bad defensive habits.

 

[sampollock]

habs need players to drive to the net with the puck. Lidstrom is that?? not sure.
no more guys on the wall, hoping not to get hit, take that puck in and rip it

 

[ReHabs]

Does the Moar Big crowd think we should draft Silayev? Why or why not?

 

[Andrei79]

Yeah they got points, like Pietrangelo. The argument isn’t that a defenceman with 0 points and elite defensively is better than a defenceman that gets 80 points. The argument is that the 20-30 point difference doesn’t overcome the bad defensive habits.

They didn't just get points. They were some of the premiere offensive defensemen for their generation. Lidstrom was the top scoring defensemen or top 3 regularly. Pietrangelo has 3 top 10 finishes and only one of them within the top 5 (as fifth). Put the guys you named in this scoring environment and they're 70-90 point defensemen.

 

[le_sean]

I said that the best Dmen are also the most productive Dmen. And they are.

You gave a few counter examples so let's go through them:

Niklas Lidstrom won cups in 97, 98, 2002, and 2008. In those seasons he was 5th, 1st, 2nd and 1st in dman scoring. In 1998, the top three scoring Dmen were three of your examples, Scottie, Nik, and Zubov in that order. 2007, the top dman scorer was Scott Niedermayer. Pronger was 7th.

How you thought listing several of the most productive Dmen of their generation was any kind of a counter to the claim that the best Dmen are also the most productive ones is beyond me.

Okay replace Lidstrom with Chara. Was Karlsson better than Chara because he got 20 more points per season? Same era.

They didn't just get points. They were some of the premiere offensive defensemen for their generation. Lidstrom was the top scoring defensemen or top 3 regularly. Pietrangelo has 3 top 10 finishes and only one of them within the top 5 (as fifth). Put the guys you named in this scoring environment and they're 70-90 point defensemen.

And put Lidstrom on the 90s Habs and he likely gets 40 points a season. Karlsson on the Sharks got 100.

 

[Habsrule]

Does the Moar Big crowd think we should draft Silayev? Why or why not?

I wouldn’t be opposed to it but only if Lindstrom, Demidov and Levshunov are picked in some order of 2 through 4.

 

[Andrei79]

Okay replace Lidstrom with Chara. Was Karlsson better than Chara because he got 20 more points per season? Same era.


And put Lidstrom on the 90s Habs and he likely gets 40 points a season. Karlsson on the Sharks got 100.

Malahkov got 40 points on the 90s Habs. Lidstrom would still produce a ton. Youd also expect any player to go through the ebbs and flows of different eras and team success, so he'd eventually benefit from the post lockout Habs that saw guys like Markov and Souray score 60.

As far as Chara goes, isn't that the point ? You have to point to a freak of nature.