HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

Who do you want at #5?

  • Tij Iginla

    Votes: 209 49.5%
  • Cole Eiserman

    Votes: 14 3.3%
  • Berkly Catton

    Votes: 92 21.8%
  • Konsta Helenius

    Votes: 13 3.1%
  • Beckett Sennecke

    Votes: 75 17.8%
  • Zayne Parekh

    Votes: 19 4.5%

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CristianoRonaldo

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I watched two (small sample size) random shift-by-shift videos about Tij, and I saw that he needs to improve on his passing. He frequently forces passes into his teammates' skates, which leads to him losing the puck, and occasionally he holds onto the puck too long. His hands are not his strongest suit; although he will shield the puck well, his mediocre hands can occasionally cause him to lose track of the puck behind him. :popcorn:

Correct me if I'm mistaken, I'm only drawing attention to the drawbacks, because I don't see anyone else discussing them.

I'll continue to watch more.


 
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Guys who do we target at round 2 and 3 ? I think we have the top 15 pretty figured out for now ;)

I personally like Tomas Lavoie (RD) for our Colorado pick in 2nd round. He's a huge RHD who plays for Cape Breton. He plays a pro-style & has shut down D written all over him. He's got a huge wingspan and knows how to use his stick to defend.

I also like Spencer Gill (RD), of Rimouski. He's another big RHD, who brings more offense than Lavoie.

I don't want a D in 1st round because I think there's some decent ones later that project well.

In 3rd round, Will McIsaac of Spokane Chiefs is another big, RHD who plays a physical competitive game and has some offensive upside - not a ton, but he's decent enough with the puck & is a good
transition D.

Matvei Gridin is a talented Russian playing in USHL. He's putting up terrific numbers. But, he's got a lot to work to do on his overall game and his skating. He's a seriously one dimensional player. He's going to University of Michigan, so you just hope they can convince him to play a more team oriented game and that he works on his strength and skating. A real boom or bust player. He's either top 6 or not signed.

Miguel Marques (C), Lethbridge Hurricanes, is a really complete player when he wants to be. He drives the middle, plays well defensively and is a quality playmaker with really quick hands. He has issues with consistency and can get frustrated with tight checking. Montreal's sports psychologist could do wonders for this kid. He's got sweet upside if he can pull it together.

Alexandre Blais, Rimouski again. A smaller forward (5'10), he plays the kind of high energy game that I like. He keeps his feet moving on the boards while having the hand skills to control the puck. He's competitive and skilled. Definitely worth a shot with one of our two 3rds.

Ondrej Kos, Czech playing in Finnish 2nd division. He hasn't played a lot due to injury. High, high compete with pure speeeeeeeeeeed. Offensive upside is unknown, but he has decent playmaking skills. He hasn't shown much this year in that regard, although he was good in D -1 year. Good height, but badly needs to gain weight.

I'll leave it at 5 with one honorable mention: Justin Poirier. Super small goal scoring forward. And he scores in every way possible: off the rush, off the forecheck, off steals, off quick transition plays, off give & goes, his shot explodes off his stick.

Off his goal scoring alone he should probably be a 1st rounder, but he's 5'8. I've seen rankings for him from late 1st to late 3rd round, so who knows. Even though he's short, he's pretty stocky. He has a stumpy build - not unlike Steve Thomas. He has a really, really late birthday (September 4th), so he's one of the youngest players in this draft too. It'll be interesting to see where he goes. I like him much, much more than I did Dumais, who was a DND for me last year.
 

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Interesting....certainly i would agree if he projects to be a Dobson type D-man then he would likely be the #1 d-man in our system and would have to garner strong consideration drafting around 5.

So again from a Habs pov, if you have the top 5 forwards as follows, where do you drop Dickinson into this mix? 4th? 5th?

1. Celebrini
2. Demidov
3. Lindstrom
4. Iginla
5. Catton
he would be 6th for me we need a top 6 fw, FW will join and contribute to the team sooner. They all have legit NHL potential so they aren’t big reach.
 

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I watched two (small sample size) random shift-by-shift videos about Tij, and I saw that he needs to improve on his passing. He frequently forces passes into his teammates' skates, which leads to him losing the puck, and occasionally he holds onto the puck too long. His hands are not his strongest suit; although he will shield the puck well, his mediocre hands can occasionally cause him to lose track of the puck behind him. :popcorn:

Correct me if I'm mistaken, I'm only drawing attention to the drawbacks, because I don't see anyone else discussing them.




First of all, how dare you?

Second, you’re not wrong. If the Habs are looking for an elite skill forward, I'm not sure why the Iginla hype train is going so hard. I'm not saying he's a bad pick or unworthy of being in the top-10, but I don't get the hype for him as an elite producer.

For a player with a lot of non-elite tools, I find it surprising how many posters have him as "their guy". Up to this point - and including these playoffs - he's a guy that skates and shoots the puck and plays in tights spaces. He does that part of his game very well. He's not at an elite level in terms of playmaking, creativity, defence, or a power game. He's got a great shot and nose for the net, very good but not elite skating, and good but definitely not exceptional size/compete. The IQ and reading the play is solid, but nothing like what we've seen from Catton/Helenius this year.

By my estimation, he seems like a really good bet to be a low maintenance, top-6 volume shooter with few limitations around size/speed. Hopefully a good character guy and someone that can play up and down the lineup if necessary. A pretty long shot at being a truly dynamic or elite player. How many current elite NHL players have a profile like Iginla? Not many. How many second line or complementary guys? Many. He simply doesn't have the physical tools (like the Tkachuks) or well-rounded offensive IQ to put him into an elite tier of players, so we're really relying on character and great advice from his Dad to get him there.

Could be a great player for the Habs, but is this what we're shooting for with a top-5/10 pick? Leaving a lot of upside on the table taking him over guys like Parekh or Catton. I'm not saying it's wrong, but this is the type of "bloodlines", "intangibles", "character", type of pick that would have seen the Bergevin regime roasted for the next decade.



Note: I genuinely believe that if Konsta Helenius was Saku Koivu's son (sorry Aatos), Habs posters would be waffling over him and Celebrini at 1OA.
 

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First of all, how dare you?

Second, you’re not wrong. If the Habs are looking for an elite skill forward, I'm not sure why the Iginla hype train is going so hard. I'm not saying he's a bad pick or unworthy of being in the top-10, but I don't get the hype for him as an elite producer.

For a player with a lot of non-elite tools, I find it surprising how many posters have him as "their guy". Up to this point - and including these playoffs - he's a guy that skates and shoots the puck and plays in tights spaces. He does that part of his game very well. He's not at an elite level in terms of playmaking, creativity, defence, or a power game. He's got a great shot and nose for the net, very good but not elite skating, and good but definitely not exceptional size/compete. The IQ and reading the play is solid, but nothing like what we've seen from Catton/Helenius this year.

By my estimation, he seems like a really good bet to be a low maintenance, top-6 volume shooter with few limitations around size/speed. Hopefully a good character guy and someone that can play up and down the lineup if necessary. A pretty long shot at being a truly dynamic or elite player. How many current elite NHL players have a profile like Iginla? Not many. How many second line or complementary guys? Many. He simply doesn't have the physical tools (like the Tkachuks) or well-rounded offensive IQ to put him into an elite tier of players, so we're really relying on character and great advice from his Dad to get him there.

Could be a great player for the Habs, but is this what we're shooting for with a top-5/10 pick? Leaving a lot of upside on the table taking him over guys like Parekh or Catton. I'm not saying it's wrong, but this is the type of "bloodlines", "intangibles", "character", type of pick that would have seen the Bergevin regime roasted for the next decade.



Note: I genuinely believe that if Konsta Helenius was Saku Koivu's son (sorry Aatos), Habs posters would be waffling over him and Celebrini at 1OA.

Thank you for taking your time to answer me, I appreciate it.
 
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he would be 6th for me we need a top 6 fw, FW will join and contribute to the team sooner. They all have legit NHL potential so they aren’t big reach.
He would be 7th for me. Eiserman is ahead of him too, and Catton and Iginla. I think Dickinson has one point so far in the OHL playoffs. Just saying.
 

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We have Leonard's D+1 though, so it's an unfair comparison. They're pretty similar in terms of D-year value. Would take both any day.
I meant during their draft years. They both seem like 2nd line guys, not someone I'm exactly thrilled about with a top 5 pick. Of course, the same was said about B.Tkachuk even though he brings more.
 

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I personally like Tomas Lavoie (RD) for our Colorado pick in 2nd round. He's a huge RHD who plays for Cape Breton. He plays a pro-style & has shut down D written all over him. He's got a huge wingspan and knows how to use his stick to defend.

I also like Spencer Gill (RD), of Rimouski. He's another big RHD, who brings more offense than Lavoie.

I don't want a D in 1st round because I think there's some decent ones later that project well.

In 3rd round, Will McIsaac of Spokane Chiefs is another big, RHD who plays a physical competitive game and has some offensive upside - not a ton, but he's decent enough with the puck & is a good
transition D.

Matvei Gridin is a talented Russian playing in USHL. He's putting up terrific numbers. But, he's got a lot to work to do on his overall game and his skating. He's a seriously one dimensional player. He's going to University of Michigan, so you just hope they can convince him to play a more team oriented game and that he works on his strength and skating. A real boom or bust player. He's either top 6 or not signed.

Miguel Marques (C), Lethbridge Hurricanes, is a really complete player when he wants to be. He drives the middle, plays well defensively and is a quality playmaker with really quick hands. He has issues with consistency and can get frustrated with tight checking. Montreal's sports psychologist could do wonders for this kid. He's got sweet upside if he can pull it together.

Alexandre Blais, Rimouski again. A smaller forward (5'10), he plays the kind of high energy game that I like. He keeps his feet moving on the boards while having the hand skills to control the puck. He's competitive and skilled. Definitely worth a shot with one of our two 3rds.

Ondrej Kos, Czech playing in Finnish 2nd division. He hasn't played a lot due to injury. High, high compete with pure speeeeeeeeeeed. Offensive upside is unknown, but he has decent playmaking skills. He hasn't shown much this year in that regard, although he was good in D -1 year. Good height, but badly needs to gain weight.

I'll leave it at 5 with one honorable mention: Justin Poirier. Super small goal scoring forward. And he scores in every way possible: off the rush, off the forecheck, off steals, off quick transition plays, off give & goes, his shot explodes off his stick.

Off his goal scoring alone he should probably be a 1st rounder, but he's 5'8. I've seen rankings for him from late 1st to late 3rd round, so who knows. Even though he's short, he's pretty stocky. He has a stumpy build - not unlike Steve Thomas. He has a really, really late birthday (September 4th), so he's one of the youngest players in this draft too. It'll be interesting to see where he goes. I like him much, much more than I did Dumais, who was a DND for me last year.
Gill has good numbers.
 
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I have no problem with us taking a D or Helenius as a C , i don't trust Suzuki and Dach as a 1-2 punch. down the middle going forward personally
If you have Suzuki Helenius Beck down the middle with Dach and Newhook on the wings able to play center, that should be very difficult to play against. In my opinion, Iginla gets a lot of attention but Helenius achievements have been downplayed.
 

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If you have Suzuki Helenius Beck down the middle with Dach and Newhook on the wings able to play center, that should be very difficult to play against. In my opinion, Iginla gets a lot of attention but Helenius achievements have been downplayed.

In no world should Helenius play center over Dach, especially when you have Beck and Suzuki there, that's not a big middle of the ice.
 

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Biggest takeaway from the latest Basu/Godin podcast:

Bergevin and Timmins did have access to analytics, but they didn't have a department nor did they have data scientists who could distill that data into language that the scouting staff could understand. They also didn't develop or use their own data, they would switch providers of the analytics consistently.

So they felt it was a tool but it was not being leveraged really at all.

This has changed massively under Boucher and Boucher has a big voice at the draft table.
 

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I think they should confuse everyone and draft Becket Sennecke at 5.
McCagg things the Habs have some interest in him with their 1st if other players are off the board and they drop to 7th.

They hyped him up and the clips they showed he looked good and would like him with the Jets pick
 

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Biggest takeaway from the latest Basu/Godin podcast:

Bergevin and Timmins did have access to analytics, but they didn't have a department nor did they have data scientists who could distill that data into language that the scouting staff could understand. They also didn't develop or use their own data, they would switch providers of the analytics consistently.

So they felt it was a tool but it was not being leveraged really at all.

This has changed massively under Boucher and Boucher has a big voice at the draft table.
It’s nice to finally be a part of the 21st century
 

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Biggest takeaway from the latest Basu/Godin podcast:

Bergevin and Timmins did have access to analytics, but they didn't have a department nor did they have data scientists who could distill that data into language that the scouting staff could understand. They also didn't develop or use their own data, they would switch providers of the analytics consistently.

So they felt it was a tool but it was not being leveraged really at all.

This has changed massively under Boucher and Boucher has a big voice at the draft table.

This would be the equivalent of Nikola Tesla trying to explain alternating current to Harry and Lloyd.
 

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It’s nice to finally be a part of the 21st century
The organization sure took a massive leap forward in the past 2 years, in pretty much every aspect imaginable. I'm still amazed with how long that took TBH, with as much money and resources they have available to them for all the non roster stuff. There's no reason why mentalities stayed so stuck in the 90's, outside of pure dumb conservatism for the sake of conservatism. We lost a full decade of potential growth and development.
 

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I'm in the same boat.
Across the last 16 drafts(our last 122 picks) we have drafted 0 players that have put up a 60 point season with us. Caufield is one point away from doing it, and he only reached us because of his size.
Yep.

Remember big tall dumbs...like Fischer, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Kk, Poeling etc..


Oh they had size but not the most talented at their rank.

In 2018, I was all in with Quinn Hughes at 3rd overall and everybody laughed.

Iq, vision speed and skills are way more important than size for forwards.

Bring me Catton or Parech any day of the week for godsake
 
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Strong analytics and the overuse of Michael Matheson don't jive well.

Gotta be a gimme somewhere. Are they actually into analytics or are they overplaying Matheson ? Smokescreens at best.
 

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McCagg things the Habs have some interest in him with their 1st if other players are off the board and they drop to 7th.

They hyped him up and the clips they showed he looked good and would like him with the Jets pick
I don’t think McCagg said the habs had interest just that he thought Sennecke made big progress during the year and is having great playoffs so for him he puts him in his top 10 ahead of Catton and thinks some NHL scouts will too. Which wouldn’t surprise me to be honest. I think he’ll go near the top 10, he won’t be there for the winnipeg pick, he looks good.
 
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