HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[skidcells]

Any Boldy type players that might be there between 12-15? How do MBN, Iginla compare to him?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Parekh is leading his team in scoring by 20 points. They are benefitting from him more than he is of them.

I am not ruling that out, but......

I am not so sure about that as it is the system that likely benefits Parekh more than any of them. Allowing him to almost entirely ignore his defensive responsibilities and force the forwards to cover for him is going to boost his totals and lower theirs. In a more traditional system there is every reason to believe that he may not be the team's leading scorer. He spends more time on the ioce than any of the forwards and likely accrues a substantial number of secondary assists due to playing with these players in this particular system.

I do agree with you that he is very talented and I offer my opinion, not in an attempt to entirely discredit his accomplishments but to add nuance and context to a discussion that is too narrowly focused on statistical hierarchies than on translatable production and play style.

Speaking of the system inflating numbers......Owen Beck is out pacing Parekh since joining the team with 1.57 ppg compared to Parekh's 1.47 ppg and would be on pace to lead the team in scoring if he had played the whole season there.

 

[HuGort]

Hage like to get with Jets pick. Leading score on Steel. Good size and wheels also. If he never lost most of last year to injury be rated 10-15.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

True. It's just hard to deny the offensive potential of them and the shutdown potential of Guhle and Reinbacher. Also there isn't much difference between him and mailloux defensively at the same age. Except I'm more confident that Parekh can develop that side better due to his great IQ

Mailloux is much bigger and noticeably faster than Parekh and I have a hard time pin pointing where Parekh's IQ is at due to playing in such an unorganized and chaotic system. So I would certainly hesitate to proclaim that Parekh will be better defensively than Mailloux when Mailloux has such enormous physical advantages in that area and Parekh has yet to demonstrate a willingness to play defence.

You might be correct as I have stated a concern with Mailloux's IQ for quite some time. I am hoping that Mailloux is similar to Slafkovsky in that it is just a software issue and he actually has the hardware to run the necessary operating system and simply has never downloaded the proper software.

 

[Mrb1p]

I would draft Zeev Buium before Parekh. He’s a much more complete defender but still has that high end offensive talent. Makar is actually good defensively too. Not sure that Parekh has that in him.

I would also take Lindstrom over Catton, and I don’t think it’s close. Catton being a massive point producer in the CHL would matter to me if the NHL was like the CHL . . . but it’s not. Lindstrom’s game is much more likely to translate to the NHL than Catton’s. Marc Savard was a massive CHL scorer too but was only okay, if that, in the NHL. Meanwhile, Slaf barely had any points in Liiga . . . Catton looks like a Marco Rossi/Cole Perfetti type, which is fine, but I’d like to do better if possible. I think it’s possible.

Marc Savard had three seasons where he produced top 10 points. There is almost negative chances that Slaf has a better career than Savard. The Habs haven't had a top 10 points producer since Kovalev that one year, before that, you have to go back to Naslund.

Also it's unclear who the better youngster is between Slaf, perfetti and Rossi.

Unsure you chose the right examples here.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I get the feeling Parekh and Catton are going to be the steals of the draft.

Somebody that is smart.
You have to project players and not look at the now both of them have superstar talent but lack in size/strength when their body fully mature, watch out! Sky is the limit!

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Parekh is leading his team in scoring by 20 points. Also note that they were all on the team last year with him and he’s the one that took by far the greatest leap forward. They are benefitting from him more than he is of them.

Parekh reminds me Subban a bit.
So fun to watch not necessarily a beautiful skater but he is not shy to take charge/risk and has so much offensive talent. He would become a crowd favorite.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

I mean are we really supposed to ignore this because we have other good defencemen? This is just stupid skill

 

[crosbyshow]

Mailloux is much bigger and noticeably faster than Parekh and I have a hard time pin pointing where Parekh's IQ is at due to playing in such an unorganized and chaotic system. So I would certainly hesitate to proclaim that Parekh will be better defensively than Mailloux when Mailloux has such enormous physical advantages in that area and Parekh has yet to demonstrate a willingness to play defence.

You might be correct as I have stated a concern with Mailloux's IQ for quite some time. I am hoping that Mailloux is similar to Slafkovsky in that it is just a software issue and he actually has the hardware to run the necessary operating system and simply has never downloaded the proper software.

Think about that...in the OHL last year at 19 years old..Mailloux did 53 points in 59 games.

Zayne Parekh in the OHL this season...at 17 years old...he has 81 points in 55 games.

I mean offensively they are not in the same galaxy..

The kid is 2 full years younger and he destroys Mailloux offensively......and Mailloux is very good in the AHL offensively this season.

I mean Zayne is someone to look at carefully

 

[Mrb1p]

So now were labeling Parekh as a bad skater too ? Jesus the scouting is out of wack.

 

[MasterMatt25]

Taking Zayne and then trading Mailloux for a forward would be very smart

 

[Maitz]

Where would Reinbacher rank in the 2024 dmen? I am not against picking a D if he is the BPA again this year

 

[HuGort]

I’ve been a big fan of Beck since they made the pick, and I loved his confidence in the Habs 24 video where he says he’s the best on the draw in the OHL.

The big thing for me is that he is extremely intelligent to go along with his athleticism. He thinks the game well, and he prepares like a professional already. I have very high hopes for Beck - I see him as a more offensively talented Brian Skrudland, and Skrudland was a terrific hockey player.

A third line consisting of Beck down the middle with Joshua Roy, and a big right winger that can play physical and bury the puck would be tough to contain. If the Habs were able to move up from the Jets pick in the first round, with a combination of picks/prospects to take Liam Greentree, I think you’d have the perfect winger to play on that line. You could even call them the Tree-line as “Joshua,” “Beck’s Tree Farm,” and “Greentree” are all tree related!

Many don't like Greentree skating

 

[Beendair Donedat]

With our first rounders this year -

I don’t see us winning the lottery again, so no Celebrini. But I really want Cayden Lindstrom. He’s going to be a physically dominant, ultra skilled center in the NHL, and would give us a terrific one-two punch down the middle between him and Suzuki. If we miss on those two, I would really like to pickup Tij Iginla. He just keeps improving, and has the pedigree to be a great NHL player.

The other guy I’d like to add to our winger group is Liam Greentree. He’s a one man wrecking crew on a bad team, with over 25 points more than the next closest teammate. He’s got a terrific shot, NHL size (6’2, 210 lbs), decent mobility and is responsible defensively. I know you’d have to package the Jets first rounder with a combo of picks/prospects to get him, but I feel like he’s exactly the kind of player the Habs need to be targeting.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Where would Reinbacher rank in the 2024 dmen? I am not against picking a D if he is the BPA again this year

I'm a huge fan of reinbachers defensive instincts and overall IQ. When he played with hutson at rookie camp, he was just overall dynamic. His team this year is hot garbage and it's harder on international ice to impact the game as a D. With that said, he'd go wherever Dickinson is imo. There's no real consensus on where the D's rank right now until Bob Mackenzie comes out with his list. Some have Parekh as the best D, some have silayev going top 5. Most have levshunov going top 5. So it depends who you talk to and what they like out of defencemen. But again id rank him beside Dickinson

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Many don't like Greentree skating

Is that right? Like who?

He’s got 78 points (30 goals) in 52 games this year, on a team that is competing for last place in the OHL. That’s good for 10th in scoring in the league, at 17 on a bottom team. The next closest guy on the team has 25 fewer points than he does… I think you could make a solid argument that nobody in the CHL is doing more with less. While he can always improve on his skating, I don’t think that it’s something that will limit his effectiveness as a professional.

 

[Mrb1p]

Started watching a lot of Saginaw to watch Beck but I am fully on board with Parekh. The confidence, great skating, amazing puck handling, as well as a bomb of a shot. He looks like a future star in the making, the defensive side is something that needs to be improved upon but I have no doubt he has the intelligence to develop his defensive game quickly. He is my #3 behind Demidov and Celebrini, might be a hot take but I think he has point per game potential.

Buium is just the 2.0 of Zayne IMO. Better pretty much all over the board. The only advantage Zayne has on Zeev is the shot, and even that I find is somewhat overrated on Parekhs part. Yes he's a good shooter, yes he has a good release, but it's not hard enough for me and his shooting selection lacks at times, though that is also true for Zeev.

Taking Zayne and then trading Mailloux for a forward would be very smart

Or taking Zeev and trading Hutson.

Where would Reinbacher rank in the 2024 dmen? I am not against picking a D if he is the BPA again this year

On my list ? He'd go 3rd behind Levshunov and Buium. On the actual GM/HS list ? Probably third behind Levshunov and Silayev, with a tie with Dickinson.

With our first rounders this year -

I don’t see us winning the lottery again, so no Celebrini. But I really want Cayden Lindstrom. He’s going to be a physically dominant, ultra skilled center in the NHL, and would give us a terrific one-two punch down the middle between him and Suzuki. If we miss on those two, I would really like to pickup Tij Iginla. He just keeps improving, and has the pedigree to be a great NHL player.

The other guy I’d like to add to our winger group is Liam Greentree. He’s a one man wrecking crew on a bad team, with over 25 points more than the next closest teammate. He’s got a terrific shot, NHL size (6’2, 210 lbs), decent mobility and is responsible defensively. I know you’d have to package the Jets first rounder with a combo of picks/prospects to get him, but I feel like he’s exactly the kind of player the Habs need to be targeting.

Greentree is amazing. He is super smart, reminds me a lot of Perry without the antics.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

There will be a lot of happy GMs selecting defensemen this year that they feel are the best in the draft. There is just such a range of great D-men prospects available.

If I'm the Habs, I look real hard at these D-men. Because there are going to be some great ones available at the Habs pick almost guaranteed.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Many don't like Greentree skating

Many did not like Jason Robertson skating either. I think average skating is not a career killer.

 

[HuGort]

Is that right? Like who?

He’s got 78 points (30 goals) in 52 games this year, on a team that is competing for last place in the OHL. That’s good for 10th in scoring in the league, at 17 on a bottom team. The next closest guy on the team has 25 fewer points than he does… I think you could make a solid argument that nobody in the CHL is doing more with less. While he can always improve on his skating, I don’t think that it’s something that will limit his effectiveness as a professional.

I take it you don't frequent the draft threads? I asked about Greentree a month back. Didn't get glowing replies.

 

[HuGort]

Poirier putting up crazy numbers. I know it's the Q, have to take it with grain of salt. But still? He must be quite solid, db has him 185lbs. At 17 and only 5'7". He's very young, doesn't turn 18 until September 5th.

Be good with Colorado pick?

 

[Walksss]

Dear God this draft is so talented in the top 20. So many great choices that if they hit their potential they're gonna be really impactful players.

Its turning out to be a deep draft at the top end, we'll have to pray Kent can find a way to weasel a way to get another pick anywhere in the top 20, preferably top 15.

Maybe we package a young Dman and Winnipegs first for an improvement? Not sure that would even be enough if other GMs see what I see.

 

[HabsForHire]

But he is 6'7. He isn't going to start shrinking anytime soon.

ok......what does that have to do with what I said ? hes overrated due to his size, no shit he won't shrink lmao

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

So now were labeling Parekh as a bad skater too ? Jesus the scouting is out of wack.

I find him fluid as hell with his skating. Look at his agility on his edges

Where would Reinbacher rank in the 2024 dmen? I am not against picking a D if he is the BPA again this year

I’d have him pushing top three

 

[Hins77]

The pens had Kessel, Crosby, Guentzel, Kunitz, Rust, Hornqvist and Sheary in their top 9. Malkin, Bonino and Cullen were the only ones above 6'. In 2016-2016 they added Hagelin, another sub 6'. So four of the 8 last SC winners had a majority of sub 6'1 guys.

Stop with that BS.

Montreal don’t have a Crosby and Malkin if I recall.