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Buium, Levshunov and Dickie would look very good. It allows us to move Matheson and Hutson for help on O.
HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread
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WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
They are already about to reach a critical mass of defenseman and while in theory you can trade your excess for someone else's excess.. which organization out there is going to have a forward excess? You have to find someone else, the right fit etc. It's not just that simple.
The other thing is, there's limited minutes at the NHL and AHL level. Say you do pick Dickinson, he's got one year left in the OHL realistically. We still have Guhle Xhekaj Barron Harris Struble Mailloux Trudeau in the NHL/AHL now with Reinbacher Hutson and Engstrom about to join at the end of the year. You also have Konyushkov with 2 years left on his contract before he comes over.
You simply can't get enough ice time to all of these guys and manage their value and development. Adding another top 10 defenseman to that is unlikely to be their direction.
There's no shortage of opportunities in the top 9 of the AHL and NHL teams however.
The other thing is, there's limited minutes at the NHL and AHL level. Say you do pick Dickinson, he's got one year left in the OHL realistically. We still have Guhle Xhekaj Barron Harris Struble Mailloux Trudeau in the NHL/AHL now with Reinbacher Hutson and Engstrom about to join at the end of the year. You also have Konyushkov with 2 years left on his contract before he comes over.
You simply can't get enough ice time to all of these guys and manage their value and development. Adding another top 10 defenseman to that is unlikely to be their direction.
There's no shortage of opportunities in the top 9 of the AHL and NHL teams however.
Redux91
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Couldn't agree more with this
You can't be like "no, draft a stud D now again, deal with excess later and trade for a forward" like it's the easiest thing in the world to pull off?
Like.. there's no guarantee we can do this easily and hit on a star forward.. there's a chance you can unnecessarily overpay as well..
I don't like this notion that 'oh we have TONS of D, trading for a F is not only going to be easy, it's a foregone conclusion, no matter what, someone will take our trade package and we score on a Forward that another team all of a sudden can't wait to get rid of?'
Where as.. we can also just... you know,
DRAFT the F ourselves..?
(And we're going to anyway)
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austin316
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Dickinson is like no dman you listed. You don’t not draft a top 2 defenseman because you have players like Trudeau, Engstrom, etc. Those players likely never get a sniff of the NHL.
Think about that...
Dickinson will turn 18 years old only in June and he has 50 points in 50 games so far in the OHL...
Logan Mailloux last season at...19 years old did 53 points in 59 games...in the same league.
Dickinson is the real deal
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I am not worried. Dickinson will most likely be selected #2nd-5th overall
We are so focused on drafting a forward that we forget what other teams need/want.
If you can have a Franchise stud defenseman you get him. There are no way Silayev, Levshunov or Dickinson drop past 7.
We are so focused on drafting a forward that we forget what other teams need/want.
If you can have a Franchise stud defenseman you get him. There are no way Silayev, Levshunov or Dickinson drop past 7.
HabsForHire
"Expect the unexpected"
Exactly.
People seriously underrate Dickinson.
He'd be by a healthy margin our D with the best potential, over Guhle/Reinbacher/Hutson.
Like I said, if we can somehow trade one of those for a young top 6 forward that fits our core (like Zegras, who's rumored to be available according to many sources), I'd do it in a heartbeat.
It might not be a popular opinion, but Guhle/Reinbacher will not be better than Dickinson, and I don't think Catton will be better than Zegras.
Having a guy like Zegras in the top 6 would be a game changer and push forward the rebuild big time.
Dickinson won't be there at 10, so we need to start losing to even have that kind of problem.
Jaynki
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Dickinson has the potential be our best defenseman ahead of Guhle and Reinbacher.
Unless we are talking Lindstrom, Celebrini or Demidov (potential top C or offensive top line F), i have a hard time skipping such an asset because we have a plethora of dman.
It would be great for our rebuild, no less than hitting on a top six forward
BPA
Unless we are talking Lindstrom, Celebrini or Demidov (potential top C or offensive top line F), i have a hard time skipping such an asset because we have a plethora of dman.
It would be great for our rebuild, no less than hitting on a top six forward
BPA
Pretty strong chance any of thoses aren't there when we pick.... We need to tank hard.
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I don't care how many D we have. If you really think a guy is going to be a true #1 you just take him. D wins championships.
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Prefer a forward, butttttt.
Even with those d, there's a good chance very few ever become NHLers let alone good ones.
Even with those d, there's a good chance very few ever become NHLers let alone good ones.
Lets face it, last year was obviously when we should have gone fwd, everyone knew this year's D would be stacked. I have a lot of time for dickinson, buium and parekh. Enough to consider drafting them over the fwd's probably available at our spot.
Trade if you have too. Everyone in the league is always looking for good D apparently. Shouldn't be too hard to trade our excess.
Trade if you have too. Everyone in the league is always looking for good D apparently. Shouldn't be too hard to trade our excess.
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best case is they somehow end up in a WC spot and lose round 1 or 2.
26Mats
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that somehow is they have a collapse like they did last year.
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Why pick the 5th best forward in the 2023 draft when you can have the best defenceman? You also never know what kind of 2023-24 season you will have. They might even win the lottery for all we know.
And while there’s some good RD available in this draft, none of them really profile like Reinbacher, the top guys (Levshunov, Parekh, Yakemchuk) are all more offensive and IMO not as strong in defensive potential as Reinbacher.
Jaynki
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We always argue that we should draft with a BPA philosophy instead of a "need" philosophy.
Now, if we draft with a "next year draft" philosophy, thats even worse then the "need" philosophy.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Basu and Godin discuss this very thing in their latest notebook.
Long story short they basically agree with me, and expect the Canadiens to take a forward. That the Habs brass do consider team building, roster construction, etc. When picking in the top end of the first round.
Most of the argument will be rendered moot because if the BPAs are defenseman, and defenseman are valued highly in the draft, more so than wingers, and we know the teams around us all lack defenseman in their pool, the chances of a forward run ahead of us is very low.
Long story short they basically agree with me, and expect the Canadiens to take a forward. That the Habs brass do consider team building, roster construction, etc. When picking in the top end of the first round.
Most of the argument will be rendered moot because if the BPAs are defenseman, and defenseman are valued highly in the draft, more so than wingers, and we know the teams around us all lack defenseman in their pool, the chances of a forward run ahead of us is very low.
Yes, but If we lose and draft like 5 or 6, odds are good the BPA will be a D.
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To the dismay of many, Hughes will take the BPA, regardless of position, in acknowledgement that it would be an error to ‘reach’ in an effort to address a perceived organizational need.
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I'm not sure if that's entirely true, after last draft wasn't there a comment he made that suggested if Reinbacher was a left D they may not have taken him?
ChesterNimitz
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Therein lies the problem: who constitutes the BPA is not a universal certainty. There is no devinely imposed list. Left or right handed, some didn’t view Reinbacher as the BPA at 5OA.
A wise manager should not allow short term organizational needs unduly affect their choice this high in the draft.
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