2024 NHL Draft Thread - Upd: Draft Lottery is May 7th

[HjamSandwich]

Lindstrom wouldn't come to the NHL right away right?

On the other hand, the Blackhawks aren't an NHL caliber roster that one is trying to break into.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Lindstrom wouldn't come to the NHL right away right?

He shouldn't.

Doesn't mean a team won't force it though.

See: Stanley Bowman and Kirby Dach

 

[Mrfenn92]

Lindstrom wouldn't come to the NHL right away right?

On the other hand, the Blackhawks aren't an NHL caliber roster that one is trying to break into.

If they drafted him no reason to force it

 

[clydesdale line]

I really hope they switch up their drafting strategy and look for a bit of other traits other than skating.

Yup. Said this in the Moore thread in the prospects thread 2 weeks ago.

I agree with this. The one thing I question about this regime right now is their obsession with speed. Sure, I love the direction that they want to play like New Jersey for example (faster than everyone else, tenacity, etc) but it's almost like they are neglecting hockey sense in the process. Even the moves Davidson made this past summer (resigning Athanasiou, trading for Hall) you can question why are two guys who you are relaying on to play with Bedard but can not think the game on his level despite the speed are here. But I say this as someone who wasn't as high on Moore as others because of that.

I always think of a guy like Zach Benson for example. Elite hockey sense, incredible skill, etc... but I'll bet the house Hawks would've drafted Moore over him. How? Cuz even Luke Richardson said Davidson was looking to trade up to around 11 to get him. Benson was still on the board at that time too.

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

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Some good size in this top 64. Hawks will definitely have their pick of a few:

Cayden Lindstrom - C - 6'3"; 210
Carter Yakemchuk - RHD - 6'3"; 190
Dean Letourneau - C - 6'6"; 210
Jesse Pulkkinen - LHD - 6'6"; 203
Matvei Shuravin - LHD - 6'3'; 195
Dominik Badinka - RHD - 6'3; 183
EJ Emery - RHD - 6'3"; 185
Charlie Elick - RHD - 6'3"; 200
Adam Jecho - RW - 6'5"; 201
Colin Ralph - LHD - 6'4"; 216
Lukas Fischer - LHD - 6'3"; 178
Karl Sterner - LW - 6'3"; 192
Will Skahan - LHD - 6'4"; 211
Maxmilian Curran - C - 6'3"; 179
Colton Roberts - RHD - 6'4"; 198
Arsen Taimazov - RHD - 6'4"; 190
Gabriel Eliasson - LHD - 6'6"; 192

 

[Kevin Musto]

I always think of a guy like Zach Benson for example. Elite hockey sense, incredible skill, etc... but I'll bet the house Hawks would've drafted Moore over him. How? Cuz even Luke Richardson said Davidson was looking to trade up to around 11 to get him. Benson was still on the board at that time too.

Moore has way more versatility than Benson. He's a greater asset.

Hawks would've made the right call if they traded up to 11 and took him over Benson. Lucky for us, they didn't have to.

 

[ello]

Kapanen has been a solid 3rd liner for a while. Wasn't his fault that he got overpaid.

Carl Hagelin better?

Btw this is about his floor.

I don't think Kapanen is Moore's floor, I agree that it's a fairly likely outcome.

I don't really understand the "oh he's only X age let's not make any comments on his projection its too early". I mean go through a typical first round of picks of any draft year and you'll see that the talent slowly drops off from picks 1-30. We have enough information at that point to make educated guesses on what they become, and now in his D+1 we have even more information on the range of player what Moore will likely develop into.

 

[Giovi]

I don't think Kapanen is Moore's floor, I agree that it's a fairly likely outcome.

I don't really understand the "oh he's only X age let's not make any comments on his projection its too early". I mean go through a typical first round of picks of any draft year and you'll see that the talent slowly drops off from picks 1-30. We have enough information at that point to make educated guesses on what they become, and now in his D+1 we have even more information on the range of player what Moore will likely develop into.

Some people make observations, while others make judgements.

It's way to early to judge anything.

 

[hawksfan50]

Well we are all starting to tune to the MHL 2024 Draft Simulator ...Currentky Hawks dead last with best %chance of winning the lotto for#1 overall..So I dod 10 consecutive spins. And this time Hawks won 4 times ...werec3rd 5 tines and got 2nd once..

Of course there are only 2 draws in the actual lotto...first draw determines who gets#1and that team is removed before 2nddraw to see who gets#2..
4/10 tries =49% chance for #1 but tge actual odds are much lower than that..

I believe a team from below tge bestvodds last place team has a greater likelihood of moving up to claim #1..

In the first draw of the tenI tried,Ottawa won the #1.

Hawks won Bedard last lotto from 3td worst finish ...
SonehowI just have a hunch Hawks get bumped down to #2or#3 ifthey finish dead last..


There seems to be some difference of opinion on whether a team can win more than 2 lottos in a 5 year period...Charlie Roumeliitis said this was the rule on his latest Hawks Talk podcast..BUT a poster on one ifvtge boards in this forum at hfboards com posted that the 5 year rule only applies to a team moving UP to win in a lotto ...ie. you cannot move up more than 2 times in 5 years to win in the lotto (which I guess applies to winning either 1st or 2nd overall by moving UP).

If the latter is the correct rule THEN if Hawks finish dead last and win the #1 in the 2024vdraft (2 consecutive lotto wins) thec5 year rule woukd not apply to the Hawjs for the 2025 draft. Because they did not movevup twice yet in the first 2 drafts of the new 5vyear restriction rule potentially applying..
If however Hawks finished 2md worst of higher in the standings and moved UP 1vor more to win a lotto on 2024 then in2025 the 5vyear restriction would apply for thec2025vdraft.

So what is tge correct ruke?Just 2 wins ina lotto within a 5 year window as Rounekiotoscthibks isctge ruke ...OR the move up twice in 5 years context which only then imposes a 5 year wait to be allowed to win another lotto set ofcdaws?

Would it not be tremendous luck IF after moving up to win Bedard in2023,they win Celebrinin from dead last in 2024 and then Move up in 2025 to win a 3rd consecutive #1overall?

Other teams will complain Bettman fixed all this for tge Hawks ...but it means Hawks still will be stinky next season ...Eitger dead kastcagain or probably need to be too 6 and move up I a lotto win for that #1..

3 #1s in a row woukd be fantastic...but probably no team that lucky..

Still...given the misery of lsdt season and the greater misery of a worse team this season and probably not that much better next season,does anyborgercteam DESERVE to have their fans rewarded with the top prize from 3 consecutive drafts?

The Hawks certainly are worthy of deserving those prizes.

 

[Giovi]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/ferraris-2024-nhl-draft-rankings-mid-season-top-50-

 

[Kevin Musto]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/ferraris-2024-nhl-draft-rankings-mid-season-top-50-

Anyone putting Boisvert that high is out of their mind

 

[EddieTheEagle]

I'm way too horned up that the Tampa pick is currently 11th overall by points percentage...

I'll keep my fat little fingers crossed it stays there and we pick #1 + #11.

 

[CallMeShaft]

I'm way too horned up that the Tampa pick is currently 11th overall by points percentage...

I'll keep my fat little fingers crossed it stays there and we pick #1 + #11.

Tankathon also has them listed as having the toughest remaining strength of schedule in the entire league.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I don't think Tampa will slip into the top 10. Anything 11-16 (certainly possible) would be great.

 

[Pez68]

The Tampa pick will be interesting. I think they can choose between this season and next season, if they fall in the top 10. They might think they're going to be worse next season...and give the Hawks the pick this season, even if it's top 10.

 

[CallMeShaft]

I'm still lost on what year that pick can move to if it hits the proper condition (top 10 pick). Nashville getting their 2025 pick with conditions that it could turn into a 2026 pick just further complicates it.

Need an official source to clarify on it, because I havent found any clarity so far online.

 

[Styles]

I'm still lost on what year that pick can move to if it hits the proper condition (top 10 pick). Nashville getting their 2025 pick with conditions that it could turn into a 2026 pick just further complicates it.

Need an official source to clarify on it, because I havent found any clarity so far online.

We get this year or next. 2026 isn’t possible.

 

[TLEH]

I don’t think you can completely write off guys half a year into their D+1. I agree.

But when you look at the 2023 draft we had, I wouldn’t say anyone other than Lardis (maybe Gajan) took a step forward so far.

Guys like Felcman, Pharand, Marcel Marcel, I mean these guys aren’t legit NHL prospects in my opinion.

 

[Hawkster]

RE: Tampa Bay draft pick.

Traded • Brandon Hagel • 2022 fourth round pick (#103-Kenny Connors) • 2024 fourth round pick (?-?) to Lightning for • Taylor Raddysh • Boris Katchouk • first round pick (protected top 10 in 2023, else unprotected in 2025) (2023 #19-Oliver Moore) • first round pick (protected top 10 in 2024, else unprotected in 2026) on 2022-03-18

The 2024 pick would become an unprotected 2026 pick. That is what allowed the Lightning to move their 2025 to Nashville (with conditions as Chicago could still have moved from 2023 to 2025 at the time of the trade).

Nashville currently own TB's 2025 1st rounder (top 10 protected). That pick is not in play for Chicago.

In summary:
Chicago 2024 (protected) or 2026.
Nashville 2025 (protected) or 2026* or 2027 (*Not possible if Chicago ends up with that pick).

 

[cassac]

RE: Tampa Bay draft pick.



The 2024 pick would become an unprotected 2026 pick. That is what allowed the Lightning to move their 2025 to Nashville (with conditions as Chicago could still have moved from 2023 to 2025 at the time of the trade).

Nashville currently own TB's 2025 1st rounder (top 10 protected). That pick is not in play for Chicago.

In summary:
Chicago 2024 (protected) or 2026.
Nashville 2025 (protected) or 2026* or 2027 (*Not possible if Chicago ends up with that pick).

This is what I understand it to be as well. I was confused with the Nashville trade as well when it happened and had to have it explained to me.

 

[Chuck Testa]

I don't think Tampa will slip into the top 10. Anything 11-16 (certainly possible) would be great.

11-16 would be awesome, for sure.

With some players falling down the list, they could wind up with a steal with their second pick.

 

[kmwtrucks]

I don’t think you can completely write off guys half a year into their D+1. I agree.

But when you look at the 2023 draft we had, I wouldn’t say anyone other than Lardis (maybe Gajan) took a step forward so far.

Guys like Felcman, Pharand, Marcel Marcel, I mean these guys aren’t legit NHL prospects in my opinion.

misiak?

 

[TLEH]

misiak?

He’s been fine. Nothing great. Nothing bad. Wouldn’t call his year a major step forward by any means. OHL is down and he’s had an okay year. He’s 19.. I’ve watched a couple games, he doesn’t stand out. He should be dominating that league.

He's still a bigger guy and has good tools, I like the guy in general, he might play.. I just think Terrance has been way more dangerous in the games I watched and he was taken in the same area of the draft.. plays on the same team.

 

[u2wojo]

Tankathon also has them listed as having the toughest remaining strength of schedule in the entire league.

That is a pretty tough division and I have a hard time seeing them leapfrogging any of Boston, Toronto, or Florida to get one of the top 3 division playoff spots which leaves them battling Detroit (who I think is much deeper even if not as good at the top end) and whoever don't get a top 3 in the Metropolitan for the Wild card spots. Even teams like Ottowa, Buffalo, & Montreal in that division are at least mediocre to sometimes good. Tampa has very few chips to push in for an upgrade at the TDL...a '25 2nd and then you got to go to the '26 draft to them having a 1st and 2nd while their prospect pool is one of the worst in the league.

 

[Pez68]

RE: Tampa Bay draft pick.



The 2024 pick would become an unprotected 2026 pick. That is what allowed the Lightning to move their 2025 to Nashville (with conditions as Chicago could still have moved from 2023 to 2025 at the time of the trade).

Nashville currently own TB's 2025 1st rounder (top 10 protected). That pick is not in play for Chicago.

In summary:
Chicago 2024 (protected) or 2026.
Nashville 2025 (protected) or 2026* or 2027 (*Not possible if Chicago ends up with that pick).

I don't understand this. The Hawks made their trade first. Why should that pick get deferred ANOTHER year? Honestly, give me the 2026 pick. Hawks should have a pretty good squad, and a top 5 pick from Tampa would be amazing. Yes, I think Tampa is a couple years away from a full tear down and rebuild.