NHL Entry Draft 2024 NHL Draft Talk

[BondraTime]

Draftpro has a pretty thurough draft guide out with a ton of writeups and info on essentially every prospect available.

They've got the skills graded for each prospect in a pretty simple way to read and recognize.

Always love reading through the guides put out every year to see the different views of scouts and writers

 

[Good in Osgoode]

So maybe we take a forward with 7 and take a solid but more defensive defender with 25?

That Senneke (sp) guys looks like a player you fall in love with….

We might actually be able to get some solid D with the 25th and our second.

I am starting to think that this might be the way to go.

Between Iginla, Catton, Sennecke, Eiserman, Helenius and possibly Lindstrom (doubtful still there at 7), you have got some great potential in that Forward group.

 

[Sens in Process]

Couple of points, it is difficult to evaluate the success rate of draft guides and draft experts when publications frequently change staff and opinions evolve overtime. Pronman favoured skill guys when he arrived on scene. If you were 5'9, 155 pounder who could smash a cone drill, you got a first round grade. He has done 180 in his analysis, now favouring size.

FC has gone through significant changes to staff and so has Mckeen's hockey. Brock Otten getting a significant role with Mckeen's has really improved that publication.

Buium is not a powerful skater, so Sanderson comparisons are a little bit off in my opinion. Buium is a Wes Welker or Julian Edleman type. He is not a cheetah like Tyreek Hill. He is not explosive. He is not particularly strong. When considering he is 6'0, 183 pounds, I don't think there much room on that frame for protectable growth. You better hope his hockey sense can make up for those deficiencies.

Despite his numbers in college, he is not Hughes or Makar. He will probably end up being a 40 to 50 point D-man who excels on the PP and is fairly solid on D, but will get pushed around in the tough areas.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Guess we’re looking for size and speed?

Ottawa Senators chief scout Don Boyd is confident in this year's draft class

The Ottawa Senators scouting staff has made its list. Now, they're checking it twice.

ottawacitizen.com

Sounds like more of the same from the guys who brought you Tyler Boucher and Ben Roger.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Couple of points, it is difficult to evaluate the success rate of draft guides and draft experts when publications frequently change staff and opinions evolve overtime. Pronman favoured skill guys when he arrived on scene. If you were 5'9, 155 pounder who could smash a cone drill, you got a first round grade. He has done 180 in his analysis, now favouring size.

FC has gone through significant changes to staff and so has Mckeen's hockey. Brock Otten getting a significant role with Mckeen's has really improved that publication.

Buium is not a powerful skater, so Sanderson comparisons are a little bit off in my opinion. Buium is a Wes Welker or Julian Edleman type. He is not a cheetah like Tyreek Hill. He is not explosive. He is not particularly strong. When considering he is 6'0, 183 pounds, I don't think there much room on that frame for protectable growth. You better hope his hockey sense can make up for those deficiencies.

Despite his numbers in college, he is not Hughes or Makar. He will probably end up being a 40 to 50 point D-man who excels on the PP and is fairly solid on D, but will get pushed around in the tough areas.

Yeah watched a shift compilation. And he’s AlwAYS where he needs to be. But he’s playing against college guys who get where THEY need to be slower and less physically than nhl players will.

I do think that skating can improve tho.

Also he’s not like “short” at his age. So I think he could grow another inch. Another 10-15 pounds.

But yeah. I’m really leaning dickinson, iginla sennecke now

 

[Senator Stanley]

Not sure why they would telegraph that. Maybe it's a feint?

But who has size speed and character? Dickinson? Lindstrom?

It's not like the league doesn't already have the book on this scouting staff, although they could have preserved some of the mystery around Staois's impact.

Levshunov is probably their dream. Dickinson and Lindstrom also fit the bill. Silayev would also be to type, but I'd be surprised to see them pick out of Russia. We lean heavily towards guys playing in North America.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Sounds like more of the same from the guys who brought you Tyler Boucher and Ben Roger.

Not sure Roger had speed. Or anything else

 

[BigRig4]

Yeah watched a shift compilation. And he’s AlwAYS where he needs to be. But he’s playing against college guys who get where THEY need to be slower and less physically than nhl players will.

I don’t think that skating can improve tho.

Also he’s not like “short” at his age. So I think he could grow another inch. Another 10-15 pounds.

But yeah. I’m really leaning dickinson, iginla sennecke now

Where do you find the shift compilations? Are they on YouTube?

 

[Senator Stanley]

Not sure Roger had speed. Or anything else

All he had was size, mobility and a right handed stick.

Where do you find the shift compilations? Are they on YouTube?

Search "shift by shift" with a players name and you'll find a bunch.

 

[Micklebot]

Buium is not a powerful skater, so Sanderson comparisons are a little bit off in my opinion. Buium is a Wes Welker or Julian Edleman type. He is not a cheetah like Tyreek Hill. He is not explosive. He is not particularly strong. When considering he is 6'0, 183 pounds, I don't think there much room on that frame for protectable growth. You better hope his hockey sense can make up for those deficiencies.

Despite his numbers in college, he is not Hughes or Makar. He will probably end up being a 40 to 50 point D-man who excels on the PP and is fairly solid on D, but will get pushed around in the tough areas.

WRT Buium, I agree he's not speedy, but his edgework is excellent imo. It makes him very shifty, and that's imo a very important element that tends to get overlooked. It's what gives Sanderson that escapability along the boards for example. I think there's also lots of room to grow with his skating, from a technique perspective. I'm also curious to see his height and weight at the combine, sites like Hockey DB are notorious for being out of date for those numbers, for what it's worth the U of Denver site lists him as 6'2. It's possible they exaggerated, but I think it's equally or more likely that other sites just don't have the up to date stats. He's brother is a monster at 6'3 220, I think he'll be able to add streght looking at his frame but you never know.

I'd agree he's not hughes or Makar, very few prospects are. But, a 40-50 D that is solid defensively is a very good pick. I'm also not sure he'll get pushed around in the tough areas.

 

[bicboi64]

Twitter gets annoying around this time. People are just furious at the prospect of drafting “safe, reliable, Carter yakemchuk..Sens should take a swing!!”

Lol I love the take of Yakemchuk being safe and reliable

 

[BondraTime]

WRT Buium, I agree he's not speedy, but his edgework is excellent imo. It makes him very shifty, and that's imo a very important element that tends to get overlooked. It's what gives Sanderson that escapability along the boards for example. I think there's also lots of room to grow with his skating, from a technique perspective. I'm also curious to see his height and weight at the combine, sites like Hockey DB are notorious for being out of date for those numbers, for what it's worth the U of Denver site lists him as 6'2. It's possible they exaggerated, but I think it's equally or more likely that other sites just don't have the up to date stats. He's brother is a monster at 6'3 220, I think he'll be able to add streght looking at his frame but you never know.

I'd agree he's not hughes or Makar, very few prospects are. But, a 40-50 D that is solid defensively is a very good pick. I'm also not sure he'll get pushed around in the tough areas.

Both his brothers are 6'2 and 6'3

Buium right now is likely ~6'1, he's by no means a small guy, will likely be playing around 6'1 200 by the time he's in his prime.

I'd imagine his comine measurements will be around 6'075/6'1 and 190

He's never going to be skating like Karlsson or Sanderson, or throwing guys around like Phillips or Volchenkov, but his skating is definitely a big plus. The fact he's the smartest guy on the ice near everrytime he steps on is going to do wonders for him. The only guys I'd say are better skaters are Levshunov and Saliyev, and he's very clearly better than guys like Parekh and Yak, and there are no D close to his on ice awareness and IQ.

A great toolbox with okay/good tools is better than great tools and an okay/good toobox. And Buium has some great tools.

A smart, defensively strong 40-50 point D is better than I'd expect from any of the D in this draft. May get a guy with more points, but tons of warts most other places

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It's not like the league doesn't already have the book on this scouting staff, although they could have preserved some of the mystery around Staois's impact.

Levshunov is probably their dream. Dickinson and Lindstrom also fit the bill. Silayev would also be to type, but I'd be surprised to see them pick out of Russia. We lean heavily towards guys playing in North America.

Well I think scouts have the book on every scout based on the sport. Every single team wants big fast players. There isn’t a single team that doesn’t.

All he had was size, mobility and a right handed stick.



Search "shift by shift" with a players name and you'll find a bunch.

If he was legit mobile I feel like his leash would have been longer.

Where do you find the shift compilations? Are they on YouTube?

Yeah Buium has one on his final two games in the NcaA championship.

 

[Sens in Process]

WRT Buium, I agree he's not speedy, but his edgework is excellent imo. It makes him very shifty, and that's imo a very important element that tends to get overlooked. It's what gives Sanderson that escapability along the boards for example. I think there's also lots of room to grow with his skating, from a technique perspective. I'm also curious to see his height and weight at the combine, sites like Hockey DB are notorious for being out of date for those numbers, for what it's worth the U of Denver site lists him as 6'2. It's possible they exaggerated, but I think it's equally or more likely that other sites just don't have the up to date stats. He's brother is a monster at 6'3 220, I think he'll be able to add streght looking at his frame but you never know.

I'd agree he's not hughes or Makar, very few prospects are. But, a 40-50 D that is solid defensively is a very good pick. I'm also not sure he'll get pushed around in the tough areas.

Yes he is a valuable player to get at 7. I like Yak more.

I can see a world where the big 6 all end up being solid number #3 defenders.

I think his defensive upside is rather limited. Buium will not be a better defender than Kleven or Sanderson. Those are the types of robust and powerful dudes teams win with. I am not even sure if he will better offensively than Sanderson. Sanderson was the much better prospect. Buium is like the left handed Jamie Drysdale. Drysdale has exceptional edges, great hockey sense, but is a more explosive skater than Buium. He is a valuable prospect, but I don't think he is part of a Cup winning D-core.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Well I think scouts have the book on every scout based on the sport. Every single team wants big fast players. There isn’t a single team that doesn’t.


If he was legit mobile I feel like his leash would have been longer.


Yeah Buium has one on his final two games in the NcaA championship.

He was mobile for a 6'4" right shot defenceman. It's the only reason he got drafted in the second round. Turned out, he just wasn't any good on the ice.

"They didn’t have a season in the OHL, but there’s a ton of upside there. He’s got high-end athleticism in him as well. He’s a big kid that gets around the ice extremely well and he can move the puck up the ice. He’s a no-nonsense, no-muss and no-fuss type of player that’s going to be able to move the puck for us.” - Trent Mann, on draft day.

 

[Sens in Process]

Both his brothers are 6'2 and 6'3

Buium right now is likely ~6'1, he's by no means a small guy, will likely be playing around 6'1 200 by the time he's in his prime.

I'd imagine his comine measurements will be around 6'075/6'1 and 190

He's never going to be skating like Karlsson or Sanderson, or throwing guys around like Phillips or Volchenkov, but his skating is definitely a big plus. The fact he's the smartest guy on the ice near everrytime he steps on is going to do wonders for him. The only guys I'd say are better skaters are Levshunov and Saliyev, and he's very clearly better than guys like Parekh and Yak, and there are no D close to his on ice awareness and IQ.

A great toolbox with okay/good tools is better than great tools and an okay/good toobox. And Buium has some great tools.

A smart, defensively strong 40-50 point D is better than I'd expect from any of the D in this draft. May get a guy with more points, but tons of warts most other places

His degree of difficulty, having to do several pirouttes to open a passing lane will catch up to him. When he focuses on D, his offense dries up like in the NCAA tournament.

 

[BoardsofCanada]

I wasn't overly impressed with either Parekh or Dickenson last night.

Parekh is what he is; elite mobility and offensive skills but very risky (mini Erik Karlsson). But Dickenson who I thought would be efficient and mistake free,, made a bunch of mistakes. What bothered me was his decision making. I had read this about him; he holds on to the puck when he should be moving it up the ice. It's like he thinks he's better than he really is and ends up getting stripped.

He is a powerful guy; battles in the corners and protects the front of his net. That's all good. But I wasn't impressed with his decision making.

I'm convinced we need Buium. I hope he's there for us at #7.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Lol I love the take of Yakemchuk being safe and reliable

Some people simply think that if your team selects a player with size or who hits it means they went waaay off board or pick a “safe high floor” player.

I wasn't overly impressed with either Parekh or Dickenson last night.

Parekh is what he is; elite mobility and offensive skills but very risky (mini Erik Karlsson). But Dickenson who I thought would be efficient and mistake free,, made a bunch of mistakes. What bothered me was his decision making. I had read this about him; he holds on to the puck when he should be moving it up the ice. It's like he thinks he's better than he really is and ends up getting stripped.

He is a powerful guy; battles in the corners and protects the front of his net. That's all good. But I wasn't impressed with his decision making.

I'm convinced we need Buium. I hope he's there for us at #7.

The reason I like Dickinson is that if fixes his issues (they all have issues), he could be the best d man in this class. The tools are pretty crazy.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

His degree of difficulty, having to do several pirouttes to open a passing lane will catch up to him. When he focuses on D, his offense dries up like in the NCAA tournament.

I don’t totally disagree. But In fairness he played against two juggernauts in that tourney. No one thinks he can control the game and tempo against the leagues best forwards. He had one mission in those final two games. And mission accomplished.

I think it’s actually a compliment. His team was like look we need to shut down the best forward in the ncaa. And then we need to shut down the best line in the ncaa that have like the #2 and #3 forwards. Buium you’re up. And he shut them down. Now I don’t have the actual stats. Was he suppressing their scoring chances? Or was their goalie putting on a clinic? I admit I don’t have these answers would be interesting to see

 

[aragorn]

The players in this draft are 17 to 18 yr old kids, they will make mistakes regardless of who the Sens pick, none of these players are perfect, they all come with warts & you hope over time to smooth those out. Stutzle, Chabot & Chychrun all made huge mistakes this yr that cost us games & they are much older, hopefully with the right goalie & a much better, tougher, meaner defence corps they can mitigate those mistakes so that they don't always end up in the back of our net.

My guess is that the Sens are going to take a defenceman in this upcoming draft & it looks like it could come down to Dickenison LD, Parekh RD or Yakemchuk RD unless someone better falls to them. but who knows who is on at the top of their list. I'm leaning towards RD because it's a need that needs to be filled sooner rather than later & there are RD in this draft who warrant being taken 7th OA.. There is a question of when the Russian players can come over, which means they could slide as we have seen sometimes in past drafts with teams in the teens getting a good player. There are plenty of guys who were drafted outside the first rd that became great impactful players, let's hope whoever they pick becomes a keeper.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Guess we’re looking for size and speed?

Ottawa Senators chief scout Don Boyd is confident in this year's draft class

The Ottawa Senators scouting staff has made its list. Now, they're checking it twice.

ottawacitizen.com

 

[Qward]

Sounds like more of the same from the guys who brought you Tyler Boucher and Ben Roger.

Ooof such a bad draft year. I mean, they could have just looked at elite prospects and done a better job of scouting.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Ooof such a bad draft year. I mean, they could have just looked at elite prospects and done a better job of scouting.

Ya team sucked at the zoom draft year, when players were barely playing, some not at all.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Ya team sucked at the zoom draft year, when players were barely playing, some not at all.

Everyone with half a brain knew that Boucher and Roger were bad picks, blaming covid for bad decision-making is just silly.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Everyone with half a brain knew that Boucher and Roger were bad picks, blaming covid for bad decision-making is just silly.

I wasn’t blaming Covid, Zoom draft was a result of Covid, but I wasn’t blaming it on Covid.
I said they sucked at the zoom draft vs their live viewing drafts, which didn’t happen that year.