NHL Entry Draft 2024 NHL Draft Talk

[Cosmix]

This draft is amazing for debate and options.
I’m getting to the point where I’d be happy with almost any pick outside of Pareck and he had a crazy year…

I’d be happy with in no particular order: (assumes celebrini and Demidov are 1 2'

Lindstrom
Iginla
Leshunov
Buium
Silayev
Dickenson
and after watching a pile of Sennecke highlights maybe even him

I'm hoping for one of Levshunov, Silayev, & Dickenson. We need to build a better set of defensemen.

 

[Loach]

Yep that’s what he said, but he also said Dorion and DJ were here for the year and he wanted to take the season to evaluate the organization before he started firing everyone a few weeks later he started firing everyone. He said he isn’t shopping Chych and he is. He also said he wouldn’t be the GM, and he is. they’ll draft for need and won’t draft a LD because they don’t need one.

Get real. Dorion cheated and cost us a first. DJ was terrible. They both gave Staios no choice but to fire them. He's the GM because Dorion is a buttplug and got himself fired. Everything else is normal. Keep it together brother Tuna.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Why does Dickinson reminds me of Sanderson with a better shot.

 

[Sens in Process]

Yak isn’t much better offensively, I’m not sure he’s going to be producing more at the pro level.

I think this an inaccurate statement, but time will tell

Dickinson is about a thirty point Damn, maybe this gets inflated in some contexts - high scoring with a perfect partner. Dickinson played on an absolutely stacked offensive team. He generates his offense mostly from his raw athleticism and not his skill. The athletic gap would significantly close once he gets into the NHL
Yak is athletic(not grading as high as Dickinson though), but has much higher end skill. It is not even close.
Yak on London would not be be a point a game player. He would be putting Parekh numbers.

 

[BondraTime]

I think this an inaccurate statement, but time will tell

Dickinson is about a thirty point Damn, maybe this gets inflated in some contexts - high scoring with a perfect partner. Dickinson played on an absolutely stacked offensive team. He generates his offense mostly from his raw athleticism and not his skill. The athletic gap would significantly close once he gets into the NHL
Yak is athletic(not grading as high as Dickinson though), but has much higher end skill. It is not even close.
Yak on London would not be be a point a game player. He would be putting Parekh numbers.

Yak was so incredibly dumb when I watched him in Moncton, it was extremely bad. Stick handle and spinning your way out of mistakes you took to long to make isn’t going to fly in the NHL.

He’s going to struggle when dealing with the pro game, his decision making is so slow.

He’s very skilled. That’s not going to work in the NHL the way it is in the W, his game is going to need to change at the pro level.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Goalies usually aren’t going for firsts

If u want a good one it will. I doubt Nashville trades Saros for scraps.

 

[Micklebot]

Yep that’s what he said, but he also said Dorion and DJ were here for the year and he wanted to take the season to evaluate the organization before he started firing everyone a few weeks later he started firing everyone. He said he isn’t shopping Chych and he is. He also said he wouldn’t be the GM, and he is. they’ll draft for need and won’t draft a LD because they don’t need one.

Circumstances change, Andlauer got a 70 page report on how Dorion simply couldn't be trusted in a position of authority, and the team went into a tailspin so bad there was no reason to keep DJ around.

The only relevant circumstances that are going to change between now and the draft are whether we can fill current needs by trading Chychrun.

The team is going to draft the BPA because that's what responsible teams do at the top of the draft, drafting for need is how you end up with Boucher type picks. Drafting for Need is how Mtl ended up with Kotkaniemi. It's how Boston ended up with Senyshyn instead of Barzal.

We may end up drafting a forward or a RD come draft day, but it will be because that's the BPA, not because we think our current needs will still be current needs in 4 years

 

[Wondercarrot]

It’s hard not to want Iginla after cruising through a half hour of his highlights.

 

[Sens in Process]

Yak was so incredibly dumb when I watched him in Moncton, it was extremely bad. Stick handle and spinning your way out of mistakes you took to long to make isn’t going to fly in the NHL.

He’s going to struggle when dealing with the pro game, his decision making is so slow.

He’s very skilled. That’s not going to work in the NHL the way it is in the W, his game is going to need to change at the pro level.

I think you need to update your opinion on Yak. I have seen clips where Dickinson looks like a train wreck too. Dickinson generates offense off his athleticism. I don't think he has high level offensive instincts or creativity.

 

[JackieDaytona]

I like Dickinson because his defensive game seems strong and mature and it’s clearly a priority for him. He seems like a leader, and a focus on D from a leader has an impact on the room imo.

His skating is excellent and passing is good enough to make him a 2 way d, even if he’s never going to be a pure offensive catalyst at the nhl level. He’ll put up respectable points just by making smart plays up the ice after recovering pucks in own zone. But he’s a difference maker in the dzone, he has good size and reach, all things that this team needs. After Levshunov (who will be gone by 7) I think he’s the top D in the draft, and he might be around for 7 if we’re lucky.

I really wish the other RDs slated to go early didn’t have as big question marks on prioritizing defensive play as they do, I don’t think they are BPA even though they may be gifted offensively. Not sure that it will translate for all of them to the pro game.

If they do take a LD or a forward (I think Lindstrom would be an awesome pick if health concerns are addressed) I really think they need to take a defensive RD with the Boston pick. Lots of us on this board are hoping for Elick or Emery.

They need to figure out how to make that happen as I imagine there are a bunch of other teams who pick before 25 who also have their eye on them too.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If u want a good one it will. I doubt Nashville trades Saros for scraps.

Well saros was fine this year. I wouldn’t be going after goalies that cost firsts and then cost big contracts tho

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I like Dickinson because his defensive game seems strong and mature and it’s clearly a priority for him. He seems like a leader, and a focus on D from a leader has an impact on the room imo.

His skating is excellent and passing is good enough to make him a 2 way d, even if he’s never going to be a pure offensive catalyst at the nhl level. He’ll put up respectable points just by making smart plays up the ice after recovering pucks in own zone. But he’s a difference maker in the dzone, he has good size and reach, all things that this team needs. After Levshunov (who will be gone by 7) I think he’s the top D in the draft, and he might be around for 7 if we’re lucky.

I really wish the other RDs slated to go early didn’t have as big question marks on prioritizing defensive play as they do, I don’t think they are BPA even though they may be gifted offensively. Not sure that it will translate for all of them to the pro game.

If they do take a LD or a forward (I think Lindstrom would be an awesome pick if health concerns are addressed) I really think they need to take a defensive RD with the Boston pick. Lots of us on this board are hoping for Elick or Emery.

They need to figure out how to make that happen as I imagine there are a bunch of other teams who pick before 25 who also have their eye on them too.

I like all the LD for their defense better than Levshunov but it seems like I'm one of few in that regard.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Why does Dickinson reminds me of Sanderson with a better shot.

Well he skates well and scouts talking about him like his defensive game is near pro ready. It’s not the most common thing. Sanderson was talked about like that. Sandin was.

 

[scout20]

I hope the Sens draft either Iginla or Zeev Buium!

 

[scout20]

Buium non ideal size and lack of dynamic speed are giving me pause the more i watch of him. But he seems to have a sixth sense out there

He reminds me a bit of former NHL player Brian Rafalski!

 

[aragorn]

Yak isn’t much better offensively, I’m not sure he’s going to be producing more at the pro level.

We had an interesting debate between Dobson & Bouchard like this & this past season Bouchard ended the season with 82 pts while Dobson had 70 pts. Who wouldn't want an 82 pt RD defencemen on Ottawa today? Dobson is obvisouly much better defensively while Bouchard is a pt producer. These two Dickinson & Yakemchuk seem similar where one is obviously better defensively while the other is pretty good offensively. Who will turn out better is anyone's guess & it's more likely they could both be decent players like both Dobson & Bouchard have turned out to be. We'll see in a few yrs.

Dickinson's skating sets him apart from Yakemchuk. Dickinson is still 17 and one of the youngest in the class.

I don't know about that, Yakemchuk is a pretty good skater as well, but don't get me wrong I like Dickinson & would be fine if they drafted him, but I prefer the RD & think they are close enough to go either way.

Kleven as much as I like him, hasn't made the NHL full time yet and In 3-4 years, Chabot will be in the final year of his current contract or a UFA and at the point where we'll have to seriously consider trading him if we haven't already done so.

We should be taking the best player on our board, which is exactly what Staios made clear we would be doing, saying "[there] might be a time in the draft where you look positional, but certainly at the top of the board, we're looking at best player."

Chabot has four yrs left on his contract & at the end of it will be 31 yrs old, he could easily be re-signed for another few yrs, who knows? Again BPA by whose standards? It's clear there is no concensus as to who the BPA is at 7th OA & whoever they pick at 7 there will be those on here, me included who will either love the pick or hate it, just like every other yr.

There are 3 LD that are slated to go from ~3-8. The chances that one of them are the BPA for the Sens is quite high.

There is literally zero chance the Sens aren’t looking at the LD because they have Sanderson, Chabot and Kleven. Zero. That would be utterly ridiculous.

Drafting for need at the top of the 1st is insanely dumb.

“Mucks, there’s this giant C that looks to be unreal from a strange country, franchise level guy. Definitely our best player available.”

“We’ve got Spezza, Fisher and Vermette already, we need to take the best PMD available”

You forgot they also have Donovan at LD in their system who has as good a shot as anyone to also be an NHL player. There is also a chance that there could be 3 - 5 other players that they might consider as BPA, as far as I can see there is no concensus as to who is the BPA at 7th OA. If the two players being considered are close in talent levels why wouldn't they take the need over more of the same? If they are farther apart & it's quite possible they might think they are than that's more understandable, but if they are closer in talent it becomes less relevent. Yakemchuk is ranked just outside the top 10, but even McKenzie said a couple of scouts had him ranked much higher in the top 10, so it's not that much of a stretch & he put up just as many pts as Dickinson on a terrible team.

Would it be a reach if they selected Sennecke RW, most would say yes & then in a couple of yrs it could be justified, who knows? Just because one team has a player ranked at 7th OA. doesn't mean other teams do as well, they are probably as different as the ranking sites. We can all pick out incidents in the past to fortify our point, which simply put proves that the draft is a crap shoot. In 2021 Dallas took Wyatt Johnson at 23rd OV, how many teams ahead of them are kicking themselves in the ass now over missing him? One thing for sure regardless of who they pick there will be no concensus on here whether that pick was the BPA.

 

[aragorn]

Yak was so incredibly dumb when I watched him in Moncton, it was extremely bad. Stick handle and spinning your way out of mistakes you took to long to make isn’t going to fly in the NHL.

He’s going to struggle when dealing with the pro game, his decision making is so slow.

He’s very skilled. That’s not going to work in the NHL the way it is in the W, his game is going to need to change at the pro level.

I remember you saying a lot of the same things about Bouchard & you were right, however, Bouchard has also just put up an 82 pt season & has helpred Edmonton be in the conference finals.

 

[Cosmix]

Circumstances change, Andlauer got a 70 page report on how Dorion simply couldn't be trusted in a position of authority, and the team went into a tailspin so bad there was no reason to keep DJ around.

The only relevant circumstances that are going to change between now and the draft are whether we can fill current needs by trading Chychrun.

The team is going to draft the BPA because that's what responsible teams do at the top of the draft, drafting for need is how you end up with Boucher type picks. Drafting for Need is how Mtl ended up with Kotkaniemi. It's how Boston ended up with Senyshyn instead of Barzal.

We may end up drafting a forward or a RD come draft day, but it will be because that's the BPA, not because we think our current needs will still be current needs in 4 years

What is the source for the "70 page report" on Dorion?

I hope the team does draft the consensus BPA at #7 using reputable draft orgs rankings rather than the BPA by our amateur scouting staff directed by Staios. We have yet to see how "smart" Staios is at trading, drafting & signing UFAs.

 

[Ice-Tray]

What is the source for the "70 page report" on Dorion?

I hope the team does draft the consensus BPA at #7 using reputable draft orgs rankings rather than the BPA by our amateur scouting staff directed by Staios. We have yet to see how "smart" Staios is at trading, drafting & signing UFAs.

It was the league report on the Vegas trade situation I believe.

 

[Micklebot]

Chabot has four yrs left on his contract & at the end of it will be 31 yrs old, he could easily be re-signed for another few yrs, who knows? Again BPA by whose standards? It's clear there is no concensus as to who the BPA is at 7th OA & whoever they pick at 7 there will be those on here, me included who will either love the pick or hate it, just like every other yr.

He certainly could be re-signed, or we could explore trading him if our pick has developed into a better option going forward, or he could have regressed into a bottom pair pp specialist, who knows.

BPA by the teams standard, the point is the team should take the guy they think will be the best player at the top of the draft because you never know what your roster will look like in 3, 4 or 5 years. Things change fast, so trying to fill a need with a pick that will likely take 3+ years to be ready to fill that need is crazy. For one, I would hope we address today's needs before a guy we select this draft is ready. For two, draft picks are never sure things, Boucher looked like he might fill a need when the team chose him, but right now it looks like the only need he'll fill is in the AHL, same with a guy like L.Brown.

You don't fill current needs at the draft. Not in the first round when the stakes are highest.

 

[Micklebot]

What is the source for the "70 page report" on Dorion?

I hope the team does draft the consensus BPA at #7 using reputable draft orgs rankings rather than the BPA by our amateur scouting staff directed by Staios. We have yet to see how "smart" Staios is at trading, drafting & signing UFAs.

League gave Andlauer the report on the investigation into Dorion misleading VGK wrt the Dadonov trade.

 

[aragorn]

He certainly could be re-signed, or we could explore trading him if our pick has developed into a better option going forward, or he could have regressed into a bottom pair pp specialist, who knows.

BPA by the teams standard, the point is the team should take the guy they think will be the best player at the top of the draft because you never know what your roster will look like in 3, 4 or 5 years. Things change fast, so trying to fill a need with a pick that will likely take 3+ years to be ready to fill that need is crazy. For one, I would hope we address today's needs before a guy we select this draft is ready. For two, draft picks are never sure things, Boucher looked like he might fill a need when the team chose him, but right now it looks like the only need he'll fill is in the AHL, same with a guy like L.Brown.

You don't fill current needs at the draft. Not in the first round when the stakes are highest.

Whoa Whoa whoa ... I'm suggesting filling a need because the player I am suggested they draft is just outside the top 10 & some scouts have him in the top 10 & we are picking at 7th OA. IMO that is not a stretch at all, but a legitimate player who should be in the discussion for that pick. IMO Dickinson & Yakemchuk are not that far apart as some are suggesting, I view them as being much closer in talent & therefore given that I would take the RD because it's a position of weakness on this team & given his age is potentially closer to being NHL ready. If they select Dickinson I'm fine with that, he's a good player, but I don't think he is by far a better player & playing with a much better team has helped his case. Why not fill for need if the two players being suggested are very close in talent level, if they are far apart it's obvious you take the BPA, but not as much if their talent is fairly even.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

The team is going to draft the BPA because that's what responsible teams do at the top of the draft, drafting for need is how you end up with Boucher type picks. Drafting for Need is how Mtl ended up with Kotkaniemi. It's how Boston ended up with Senyshyn instead of Barzal.

The Ottawa and Boston drafts are bad comparisons. Boucher and Senyshyn were bad picks because they were 2nd round ranked guys taken in the 1st.

Taking Catton/Lindstrom/Iginla/Helenius/Yakemchuk over an LHD wouldn't be a bad move since those guys are ranked around the same as the big LHDs in this draft.

 

[BigRig4]

This is super random, but I feel like Yakemchuk would be unreal on the wing.

 

[PlayOn]

Whoa Whoa whoa ... I'm suggesting filling a need because the player I am suggested they draft is just outside the top 10 & some scouts have him in the top 10 & we are picking at 7th OA. IMO that is not a stretch at all, but a legitimate player who should be in the discussion for that pick. IMO Dickinson & Yakemchuk are not that far apart as some are suggesting, I view them as being much closer in talent & therefore given that I would take the RD because it's a position of weakness on this team & given his age is potentially closer to being NHL ready. If they select Dickinson I'm fine with that, he's a good player, but I don't think he is by far a better player & playing with a much better team has helped his case. Why not fill for need if the two players being suggested are very close in talent level, if they are far apart it's obvious you take the BPA, but not as much if their talent is fairly even.

But you’re going off consensus lists.

Sens could have Dickinson 5th and Yakemchuk 10th. That’s a huge gap at that point of the draft. It’s different if you’re talking pick 130 and pick 135 where it probably is a small margin of difference.