GDT: 2024 NHL Draft Talk - Picked 2nd, 18th, 27th, 67th, 72nd, 92nd, 138th, & 163rd Overall

[Kevin Musto]

 

[TheFridge]

I'm hoping all the rumors about the Hawks going with Levshunov are just running on the fumes of old information. I agree, I don't see how the Hawks pass over the player with arguably the highest ceiling in the draft, especially with such a weak pipeline of forwards...

Hawks fans selling themselves on the idea that their forward pipeline is weak compared to their defensive pipeline is so, so odd.

The Hawks just drafted the best forward prospect in a decade last year. Their best D prospect was just rushed to the NHL and got caved in every night.

Yeah, it's true the Hawks don't have any stud forward prospects beyond Bedard but they don't have a single stud defensive prospect either. They have a bunch of forwards that look like they can play and they have a bunch of defensive prospects that look they can play.

Who's going to the the all-round #1 D on this team? Do you really think Korchinski is going to be that? Or Vlasic? Or EDM or Rinzel? Not likely.

Maybe Levshunov won't be that either. Who knows. But he's a much better bet than any of those guys and you need a strong #1 to win a Cup. It is absolutely as much an organizational need for CHI as finding high-end forward talent.

 

[BHawk21]

Final Mock

1. Celebrini Sharks
2. Levshunov Hawks
3. Buium Ducks
4. Iginla Blue Jackets
5. Lindstrom Canadiens
6. Dickinson Utah
7. Silayev Senators
8. Parekh Kraken
9. Demidov Flames
10. Sennecke Devils
11. Eiserman Sharks
12. Yakemchuk Flyers
13. Helenius Wild
14. Catton Sabres
15. Jiricek Red Wings
16. Connelly Blues
17. Solberg Capitals
18. Brandsegg Nygard Blackhawks

 

[Hawkaholic]

And how did reaching for Dach turn out for Hawks?

Thats not the point. But its a good thing they didnt go with the consensus #3 in Turcotte.
And Levshunov isn't a reach @ #2. Many outlets have him @ #2.

 

[Geoist]

Hawks fans selling themselves on the idea that their forward pipeline is weak compared to their defensive pipeline is so, so odd.

Top forward prospects Nazar and Moore are projected to be 2nd and 3rd liners.

Their best D prospect was just rushed to the NHL and got caved in every night.

#1. The Hawks had to decide whether to bring Korchinski in for trial by fire or have have waste a year playing against kids.
#2. Korchinski got stuck playing with some of the worst defensemen in the league.
#3. He is 19 and needs time to develop.

Vlasic, otoh, played FAR better than anyone expected and just gave us a great contract.

Yeah, it's true the Hawks don't have any stud forward prospects beyond Bedard but they don't have a single stud defensive prospect either. They have a bunch of forwards that look like they can play and they have a bunch of defensive prospects that look they can play.

Who's going to the the all-round #1 D on this team? Do you really think Korchinski is going to be that? Or Vlasic? Or EDM or Rinzel? Not likely.

Maybe Levshunov won't be that either. Who knows. But he's a much better bet than any of those guys and you need a strong #1 to win a Cup. It is absolutely as much an organizational need for CHI as finding high-end forward talent.

With the Hawks in the position they are in, they need to swing for the fences. Demidov has the higher ceiling of the two. Hell, some say he has a higher ceiling than Celbrini. How many times do we all say "TAKE THE BPA". Demidov is clearly BPA and somehow there is still a debate over need.

 

[Hawkaholic]

With the Hawks in the position they are in, they need to swing for the fences. Demidov has the higher ceiling of the two. Hell, some say he has a higher ceiling than Celbrini. How many times do we all say "TAKE THE BPA". Demidov is clearly BPA and somehow there is still a debate over need.

If he was clearly #2, there wouldn't be a debate.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Top forward prospects Nazar and Moore are projected to be 2nd and 3rd liners.



#1. The Hawks had to decide whether to bring Korchinski in for trial by fire or have have waste a year playing against kids.
#2. Korchinski got stuck playing with some of the worst defensemen in the league.
#3. He is 19 and needs time to develop.

Vlasic, otoh, played FAR better than anyone expected and just gave us a great contract.





With the Hawks in the position they are in, they need to swing for the fences. Demidov has the higher ceiling of the two. Hell, some say he has a higher ceiling than Celbrini. How many times do we all say "TAKE THE BPA". Demidov is clearly BPA and somehow there is still a debate over need.

where Levshunov is come October will be telling

 

[TheFridge]

Top forward prospects Nazar and Moore are projected to be 2nd and 3rd liners.



#1. The Hawks had to decide whether to bring Korchinski in for trial by fire or have have waste a year playing against kids.
#2. Korchinski got stuck playing with some of the worst defensemen in the league.
#3. He is 19 and needs time to develop.

Vlasic, otoh, played FAR better than anyone expected and just gave us a great contract.





With the Hawks in the position they are in, they need to swing for the fences. Demidov has the higher ceiling of the two. Hell, some say he has a higher ceiling than Celbrini. How many times do we all say "TAKE THE BPA". Demidov is clearly BPA and somehow there is still a debate over need.

Top defensive prospects Korchinski and Rinzel are projected to be #3 and #4.

#1. Wasting a year is actually dominating a league as captain of his team, having a leadership role at the WJC as a returning/star player and then going on another deep run in the playoffs? He was very good in the WHL as an 18-year-old. He wasn't so good that he left no doubt he was done with the league.
#2. Korchinski was one of the worst defensemen in the league.
#3. Agreed. He should have been allowed proper time to do so.

No one actually believes Demidov is going to be better than Celebrini. Demidov is not clearly the BPA. If he was, he would be the unanimous #2 pick. That's not the case.

 

[Geoist]

If he was clearly #2, there wouldn't be a debate.

There shouldn't be a debate here at all. Scouts overwhelmingly rank Demidov #2-3. Meanwhile, Levshunov is ranked everywhere from 2-11+

 

[Mrfenn92]

Happy draft day bitches
Smile

 

[Geoist]

Top defensive prospects Korchinski and Rinzel are projected to be #3 and #4.

#1. Wasting a year is actually dominating a league as captain of his team, having a leadership role at the WJC as a returning/star player and then going on another deep run in the playoffs? He was very good in the WHL as an 18-year-old. He wasn't so good that he left no doubt he was done with the league.
#2. Korchinski was one of the worst defensemen in the league.
#3. Agreed. He should have been allowed proper time to do so.

No one actually believes Demidov is going to be better than Celebrini. Demidov is not clearly the BPA. If he was, he would be the unanimous #2 pick. That's not the case.

People are only talking about Levshunov being the 2nd pick because he's an RD and rumors swirled about Hawks scouts loving him.

Look at the scouting rankings. Demidov almost always #2 or 3. Levshunov is ranked all over the place, even outside the top 10.

 

[ClydeLee]

Top forward prospects Nazar and Moore are projected to be 2nd and 3rd liners.



#1. The Hawks had to decide whether to bring Korchinski in for trial by fire or have have waste a year playing against kids.
#2. Korchinski got stuck playing with some of the worst defensemen in the league.
#3. He is 19 and needs time to develop.

Vlasic, otoh, played FAR better than anyone expected and just gave us a great contract.





With the Hawks in the position they are in, they need to swing for the fences. Demidov has the higher ceiling of the two. Hell, some say he has a higher ceiling than Celbrini. How many times do we all say "TAKE THE BPA". Demidov is clearly BPA and somehow there is still a debate over need.

Because Demidov isn't Clearly the best BPA... some scouts have that and ithers dont. Its not bewrly enough to say hes clearly BPA. Levshunov isn't a safe pick with a low ceiling. A big part of Levshunov's appeal is that he had poor training and jumped to NA then to college, but he needs consistency to then take his talents to a higher level he showed only more as the year went on.

I don't get like Laz or people saying Lev is a safe pick but Demidov is a swing for the fence. That doesn't add up at all to these prospects. I'd rather take a swing for the fence and draft Cayden Lidstrom if you want a really go for broke

 

[Geoist]

Because Demidov isn't Clearly the best BPA... some scouts have that and ithers dont.

Ranked #2 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING
Ranked #2 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #2 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE
Ranked #2 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #2 by THN/FERRARI
Ranked #2 by THN/KENNEDY
Ranked #2 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #3 by FLOHOCKEY/CHRIS PETERS
Ranked #2 by FCHOCKEY
Ranked #2 by DAILY FACEOFF
Ranked #2 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (EU Skaters)
Ranked #7 by HPR/MALLOY
Ranked #3 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY
Ranked #3 by SPORTSNET/COSENTINO
Ranked #2 by SPORTSNET/BUKALA
Ranked #2 by RECRUIT SCOUTING
Ranked #2 by DOBBERPROSPECTS
Ranked #2 by SMAHT SCOUTING

Its not bewrly enough to say hes clearly BPA. Levshunov isn't a safe pick with a low ceiling. A big part of Levshunov's appeal is that he had poor training and jumped to NA then to college, but he needs consistency to then take his talents to a higher level he showed only more as the year went on.

I don't get like Laz or people saying Lev is a safe pick but Demidov is a swing for the fence. That doesn't add up at all to these prospects. I'd rather take a swing for the fence and draft Cayden Lidstrom if you want a really go for broke

Ugh, hard pass on bad back.

 

[Hawkaholic]

There shouldn't be a debate here at all. Scouts overwhelmingly rank Demidov #2-3. Meanwhile, Levshunov is ranked everywhere from 2-11+

And like I said above, remember when Nolan Patrick was consensus #2? Byram? Byfield? We just have to hope our scouts are better at their jobs than the other scouts who are rating these guys.

Ranked #2 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING
Ranked #2 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #2 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE
Ranked #2 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #2 by THN/FERRARI
Ranked #2 by THN/KENNEDY
Ranked #2 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #3 by FLOHOCKEY/CHRIS PETERS
Ranked #2 by FCHOCKEY
Ranked #2 by DAILY FACEOFF
Ranked #2 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (EU Skaters)
Ranked #7 by HPR/MALLOY
Ranked #3 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY
Ranked #3 by SPORTSNET/COSENTINO
Ranked #2 by SPORTSNET/BUKALA
Ranked #2 by RECRUIT SCOUTING
Ranked #2 by DOBBERPROSPECTS
Ranked #2 by SMAHT SCOUTING


Ugh, hard pass on bad back.

NOLAN PATRICK BIOGRAPHY AND TRIVIA​

Drafted 2013, 1 #4 by Brandon Wheat Kings in the WHL Bantam Draft
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #1 by FCHockey
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #1 by McKeen's Hockey
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #2 by TSN/McKenzie
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #1 by NHL Central Scouting

 

[Geoist]

And like I said above, remember when Nolan Patrick was consensus #2? Byram? Byfield? We just have to hope our scouts are better at their jobs than the other scouts who are rating these guys.

NOLAN PATRICK BIOGRAPHY AND TRIVIA​

Drafted 2013, 1 #4 by Brandon Wheat Kings in the WHL Bantam Draft
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #1 by FCHockey
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #1 by McKeen's Hockey
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #2 by TSN/McKenzie
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #1 by NHL Central Scouting

So what? Players bust. Being a consensus #2 or even consensus #1 doesn't mean you can't bust.

 

[Hawkaholic]

So what? Players bust. Being a consensus #2 or even consensus #1 doesn't mean you can't bust.

Exactly. So they shouldn't just take consensus #2 if they have concerns about them.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

And like I said above, remember when Nolan Patrick was consensus #2? Byram? Byfield? We just have to hope our scouts are better at their jobs than the other scouts who are rating these guys.

NOLAN PATRICK BIOGRAPHY AND TRIVIA​

Drafted 2013, 1 #4 by Brandon Wheat Kings in the WHL Bantam Draft
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #1 by FCHockey
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #1 by McKeen's Hockey
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #2 by TSN/McKenzie
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #1 by NHL Central Scouting

doesn't mean that the consensus board is wrong on average, if anything its probably more accurate than not on player ranking than a single source over a big enough sample

 

[Geoist]

Exactly. So they shouldn't just take consensus #2 if they have concerns about them.

The argument wasn't over whether a team should or shouldn't take the consensus #2 (although, more times than not they should). The argument was over whether Demidov is the consensus #2. It is clear from the rankings that Demidov IS the consensus #2.

 

[Hawkaholic]

doesn't mean that the consensus is wrong on average

Doesn't mean that the Hawks have Demidov as their consensus #2 even though most other outlets do.

The argument wasn't over whether a team should or shouldn't take the consensus #2 (although, more times than not they should). The argument was over whether Demidov is the consensus #2. It is clear from the rankings that Demidov IS the consensus #2.

See above.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Doesn't mean that the Hawks have Demidov as their consensus #2 even though most other outlets do.

right but my point is that the consensus is probably more accurate than a single source over a large enough sample size, wisdom of crowd effect

 

[Hawkaholic]

right but my point is that the consensus is probably more accurate than a single source over a large enough sample size, wisdom of crowd effect

So the Hawks should just listen to other scouts and not their own.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

So the Hawks should just listen to other scouts and not their own.

they should have a really good reason to deviate from it beyond he's a righty and can play for us next year

 

[ClydeLee]

Ranked #2 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING
Ranked #2 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #2 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE
Ranked #2 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #2 by THN/FERRARI
Ranked #2 by THN/KENNEDY
Ranked #2 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #3 by FLOHOCKEY/CHRIS PETERS
Ranked #2 by FCHOCKEY
Ranked #2 by DAILY FACEOFF
Ranked #2 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (EU Skaters)
Ranked #7 by HPR/MALLOY
Ranked #3 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY
Ranked #3 by SPORTSNET/COSENTINO
Ranked #2 by SPORTSNET/BUKALA
Ranked #2 by RECRUIT SCOUTING
Ranked #2 by DOBBERPROSPECTS
Ranked #2 by SMAHT SCOUTING


Ugh, hard pass on bad back.

There's variation here and interviewed scouts by McKenzie have Levshunov there too. They have Sailyev, they have Lindstrom there with or without injury concerns idk. But it's not enough of a sure thing to trust he's absolutely thr best player. That's based on actual ability and projections.

If you say no thanks to Lidstrom, are you saying BPA? Are Demidov's knee and ankle injuries not a concern for a weak skater who doesn't live inside the dot anyway? To me, he doesn't play in the high danger zones in much of any tape.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

there is more consensus that demidov is the best forward behind celebrini than there is that levshunov is beating the field at defense...nobody has a clear answer on levshunov vs buium, dickinson, saliyev, etc

 

[eliostar]

Thats not the point. But its a good thing they didnt go with the consensus #3 in Turcotte.
And Levshunov isn't a reach @ #2. Many outlets have him @ #2.

This team can’t score to save their life, so they pick
another dman. Makes perfect sense.

Thats not the point. But its a good thing they didnt go with the consensus #3 in Turcotte.
And Levshunov isn't a reach @ #2. Many outlets have him @ #2.

This team can’t score to save their life, so they pick
another dman. Makes perfect sense.