GDT: 2024 NHL Draft Talk - Picked 2nd, 18th, 27th, 67th, 72nd, 92nd, 138th, & 163rd Overall

[ChiHawks10]

Not close to the same situation. Trubisky was a huge reach and had many questions about his actual talent level.

Lev is a consensus top 5 pick among scouts and for good reason. Despite what Disgruntled keeps claiming, Lev is absolutely a safe pick for a top 4 guy, Buium is not.

I also don’t for a second believe that this love for Demidov from you is more because of your weird ass infatuation for Russians.

Isn't a lot of the argument hinging on the fact that he's NOT actually that?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Not close to the same situation. Trubisky was a huge reach and had many questions about his actual talent level.

Lev is a consensus top 5 pick among scouts and for good reason. Despite what Disgruntled keeps claiming, Lev is absolutely a safe pick for a top 4 guy, Buium is not.

I also don’t for a second believe that this love for Demidov from you is more because of your weird ass infatuation for Russians.

Did you watch Buium and Levshunov this year?

 

[ndgt10]

Levshunov has gone from -275 to -400 on some offshore sites.

 

[TLEH]

Part of it comes from the fact that (and this is just my zero research feeling) that scoring is WAY up in leagues. Like comparing the season that Quinn had to Levshunov and saying Lev outscored him and someone using that to project offense at the pro level just doesn't add up to me.

I watched a large portion of the top 50 players and I felt like this draft was underwhelming, yet when you hear people that love NHLe and stats and production they can't believe how "high end" this draft is.

 

[ClydeLee]

I only watched Buium in the tourney but his IQ and impact are quite noticeable. I still like Lev and there's potential in there. I don't get the idea of calling a guy you're banking on boosting up his play because he has a lot of potential and shakey development, a safe pick. Lev makes no sense to call a safe pick.

 

[Taze em]

You know. I just can’t get over this “Get Bedard Help” narrative now espoused on this board and in the media. Lazarus new column compels me to say:

Nothing will help Bedard more than getting the effing puck out of our effing zone. No one in this ending draft gets the effing puck out of their effing zone better than Levshunov. Bedard is not some wounded fawn. Get him out of his zone and let him cook. Korchinski and Lev when they are fully cooked NHLers will be elite zone exiters.

How many times this year did Bedard play a full 45 seconds in our zone. Then try to make shit happen staying out there gassed for more than a minute just because they finally got the puck out.

If you like Demidov, fine. I love Demidov. But Bedard needs 0 help. Absolutely 0. He needs the puck in their zone with two plugs on his wings. Kurashev proved that this year.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Did you watch Buium and Levshunov this year?

I did yes. I don’t see what you’re seeing in Buium at all to call him a safe pick whatsoever.

 

[TLEH]

Levshunov has gone from -275 to -400 on some offshore sites.

Probably because you keep putting more money on Levshunov.

 

[deytookerjaabs]

One thing about Buium is the "good team" argument.

In the Denver games I watched he looked like the best player on the team by a decent margin. It's one thing to pad stats by being on a good team...that happens, but those guys never look like the best/better player and carry the ice.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

lets hope levshunov is doughty and rinzel and kk pan out because that could be a special top 4...then you got a lot of cap space and future draft capital to surround the best forward prospect on the planet with talent

 

[TLEH]

I did yes. I don’t see what you’re seeing in Buium at all to call him a safe pick whatsoever.

Buium improved more than anyone during the year for me. He dominated the NCAA tournament. He's got the great combination of bulldog mentality with amazing hockey sense. He'll smile while you punch him in the face. He's a lunatic and a winner.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I did yes. I don’t see what you’re seeing in Buium at all to call him a safe pick whatsoever.

Then we'll never agree on prospects. He lacks physical gifts but outperforms guys more talented because of how rock solid smart he is. That's the single most translatable NHL skill.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

You know. I just can’t get over this “Get Bedard Help” narrative now espoused on this board and in the media. Lazarus new column compels me to say:

Nothing will help Bedard more than getting the effing puck out of our effing zone. No one in this ending draft gets the effing puck out of their effing zone better than Levshunov. Bedard is not some wounded fawn. Get him out of his zone and let him cook. Korchinski and Lev when they are fully cooked NHLers will be elite zone exiters.

How many times this year did Bedard play a full 45 seconds in our zone. Then try to make shit happen staying out there gassed for more than a minute just because they finally got the puck out.

If you like Demidov, fine. I love Demidov. But Bedard needs 0 help. Absolutely 0. He needs the puck in their zone with two plugs on his wings. Kurashev proved that this year.

Can’t say I agree with this, at least fully. Sure moving the puck out of the zone should be improved.

The bigger problem is that all these forward plugs handled the puck like a grenade. They’d lose the puck immediately in transition, or if they managed to get in the offensive zone, they’d lose it immediately.

That’s simply a talent issue at forward, which is why I want to draft forwards first and foremost.

 

[ndgt10]

One thing about Buium is the "good team" argument.

In the Denver games I watched he looked like the best player on the team by a decent margin. It's one thing to pad stats by being on a good team...that happens, but those guys never look like the best/better player and carry the ice.

Hopefully he drops to 13-15 and we are able to trade up for him.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Then we'll never agree on prospects. He lacks physical gifts but outperforms guys more talented because of how rock solid smart he is. That's the single most translatable NHL skill.

Did you just describe Ian Mitchell? @Kevin Musto

 

[Taze em]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806658228689789201

So fun and compelling. Who knows! Demidov folks you still have hope.

 

[statswatcher]

Then we'll never agree on prospects. He lacks physical gifts but outperforms guys more talented because of how rock solid smart he is. That's the single most translatable NHL skill.

there are two undesirable extremes i can see in this thinking and its inverse. you can end up with all tools no toolbox, i.e. athanasiou, or all toolbox no tools, i.e. dylan strome. granted, these two examples are forwards so it doesn’t exactly track onto what we are discussing, but you see my point.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Did you just describe Ian Mitchell? @Kevin Musto

If you claim to have watched Buium and compared him to Ian Mitchell you're lying or you're arguing in bad faith.

 

[ClydeLee]

Come on Iggy/Buium/Lidstrom

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

there are two undesirable extremes i can see in this thinking and its inverse. you can end up with all tools no toolbox, i.e. athanasiou, or all toolbox no tools, i.e. dylan strome. granted, these two examples are forwards so it doesn’t exactly track onto what we are discussing, but you see my point.

Strome has a toolbox and a ton of tools.

 

[statswatcher]

Strome has a toolbox and a ton of tools.

i think he’s all head no hands or legs. neither here nor there i suppose.

 

[MTU34]

I absolutely f***ing love Buium (if it were up to me this would be down to him and Iginla)

I can see why they’d want Levshunov though. Mostly because of the skating

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

i think he’s all head no hands or legs. neither here nor there i suppose.

He's got incredible hands and a plus shot he's just got no heart.

 

[MTU34]

Come on Iggy/Buium/Lidstrom

We might have the same board lmao

 

[statswatcher]

He's got incredible hands and a plus shot he's just got no heart.

if you say so. i’ve no eyes to see.