2024 NHL Draft: Play with no weenie, for Celebrini

[Wasted Talent]

Lots of different reasons. Trouble getting them signed, bailing from the AHL team, staying in the KHL for too long, etc.
Cultural + language barriers.
Stuff that happened to Panarin, Vojnov situation, Ovie gate, and so on.
Won't name names but some of them had substance issues (yes, it can happen to anyone)

I know some teams is reluctant too. But it's just my personal opinion, in total I think it's not worth it.
Some other reasons I can't mention on this board bc the site rules.

Fair enough, I can see the logic. I guess I wouldn't personally be reluctant to draft them until that fear of Russian factor materializes on an actual Wild draft pick. Which is also how I feel about the college free agency "loophole".

I'd rather take advantage of other teams' reluctance and draft the Russians that fall because of it, like Michkov at #7, or even Yurov at #24

 

[DANOZ28]

I'm not sure I understand the Heidt and MBN comparison. Can you explain that to me?

both seem like a very similar type of player even if heidt is maybe 2 inches shorter than MBN. from what i read they both do everything well (not sure about PK). you tell me whats the diff? i don't see it and with a lack of roster spots i'd swing for something special. just my opinion.

 

[DANOZ28]

i have no issue with chernyshov other than #13 is a little high to pick him. if hes sharangovich 2.0 and yurov is boldy 2.0 or better we will have all the firepower we need.

 

[f7ben]

I would trade 13 for McGroarty without thinking about it twice

 

[57special]

both seem like a very similar type of player even if heidt is maybe 2 inches shorter than MBN. from what i read they both do everything well (not sure about PK). you tell me whats the diff? i don't see it and with a lack of roster spots i'd swing for something special. just my opinion.

Heidt is a skill player who excels at passing the puck. MBN is more of a 200ft grinder with superior size, strength and skating.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Bob McKenzie's Final NHL Draft Ranking: Many attractive and diverse options after Macklin Celebrini | TSN

This year’s final ranking, from No. 2 on, is much more challenging to assemble because of two factors - many more divergent opinions and variance on even the top 10 picks and two Russians forcing their way into the conversation in the upper echelon.

www.tsn.ca

Catton is falling. Is he Rossi 2.0?

 

[BagHead]

I haven't watched him play in years, so I may be remembering his style of game wrong, but does Greentree remind anyone else of Jason Allison?

 

[AKL]

Catton is falling. Is he Rossi 2.0?

Iginla at 10 and Catton at 12 gives me just enough pause to not trade the pick quite yet

 

[BagHead]

Bob McKenzie's Final NHL Draft Ranking: Many attractive and diverse options after Macklin Celebrini | TSN

This year’s final ranking, from No. 2 on, is much more challenging to assemble because of two factors - many more divergent opinions and variance on even the top 10 picks and two Russians forcing their way into the conversation in the upper echelon.

www.tsn.ca

Catton is falling. Is he Rossi 2.0?

Heh, when the Wild picked Kaprizov he was considered a "goal scoring version of Granlund" due to his size, IQ, and slowish skating. Now he's being called an elite skater. That makes me wonder if scouts just talk without knowing what they're talking about sometimes, or if his development really rocketed after his draft. Maybe a bit of both.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Heh, when the Wild picked Kaprizov he was considered a "goal scoring version of Granlund" due to his size, IQ, and slowish skating. Now he's being called an elite skater. That makes me wonder if scouts just talk without knowing what they're talking about sometimes, or if his development really rocketed after his draft. Maybe a bit of both.

I am known for having bad grammar but I believe the scout said the Demidov is “not an elite skater, like Kaprizov, but very skilled”. In other words he was saying that, just like Kaprizov, Demidov is not an elite skater.

 

[AKL]

Kaprizov is a pretty elite skater though, he's just not fast

 

[Saga of the Elk]

The quote 100% should be read that Kaprizov *is* an elite skater while Demidov is not.

By the way, McKenzie has Letourneau at 36. Last year he had Stramel at 34. #eerie

 

[57special]

The quote 100% should be read that Kaprizov *is* an elite skater while Demidov is not.

By the way, McKenzie has Letourneau at 36. Last year he had Stramel at 34. #eerie

bite your tongue!

I have heard some scouts, while being generally complimentary of Catton, question his hockey IQ in the sense that he makes too many "hope plays", similar to what Fiala, and even Kaprizov, do, at times. I think it goes with the territory when you are picking a skilled offensive player, but it is something to watch. They compared his play in that respect with Luchanko and Helenius, ranking him below them in that area only. They praised those two players as being very smart, and "playing like coaches".

Positives to Catton were his speed, neutral zone play with the puck, and zone entries. They think he might be a wing in the pros.

Main negative was his size.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Take that, anybody that voted Eiserman over Yakemchuk in our draft voting stuff on here.

 

[57special]

A scout in the BMac article talking about Sennecke;


"A big forward with size and high-end skill who’s just realizing how good he can be, he also seems to have an F-you vibe to his game,” said another scout. “I don’t think I’m alone in asking this question, but is it possible he could turn out to be the best forward in the draft besides Celebrini?”

This is what you call foreshadowing.

 

[AKL]

A scout in the BMac article talking about Sennecke;


"A big forward with size and high-end skill who’s just realizing how good he can be, he also seems to have an F-you vibe to his game,” said another scout. “I don’t think I’m alone in asking this question, but is it possible he could turn out to be the best forward in the draft besides Celebrini?”

This is what you call foreshadowing.

I'm now 100% convinced that the scout who said that was Brackett and that the Wild are picking Sennecke

 

[BagHead]

both seem like a very similar type of player even if heidt is maybe 2 inches shorter than MBN. from what i read they both do everything well (not sure about PK). you tell me whats the diff? i don't see it and with a lack of roster spots i'd swing for something special. just my opinion.

Ah, I understand what you're saying now. I can't claim to have watched enough of Heidt to really speak to the differences in his game. I know MBN is very physical with a strong shot and a nose for the net. I've heard Heidt is scrappy, so there's certainly some level of physicality implied in that. I can't wait to actually get to watch more of Heidt, hopefully in a Wild sweater.

 

[tyratoku]

The Sharks/Sabres move pretty much guarantees that San Jose takes whichever defender of the top group lingers past #10, meaning there is basically no chance a guy like Parekh or Yakemchuk slips to the Wild.

I just have to assume Guerin will try and trade back at this point. It's a bummer, but oh well.

 

[57special]

The Sharks/Sabres move pretty much guarantees that San Jose takes whichever defender of the top group lingers past #10, meaning there is basically no chance a guy like Parekh or Yakemchuk slips to the Wild.

I just have to assume Guerin will try and trade back at this point. It's a bummer, but oh well.

Heh? Where is it written in stone that we have to take a Dman with our 1st rounder? I will be fine with one of Sennecke, Helenius, Iginla, or Catton. I sure hope that we wait till out turn comes up before we decide to trade down.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The Sharks/Sabres move pretty much guarantees that San Jose takes whichever defender of the top group lingers past #10, meaning there is basically no chance a guy like Parekh or Yakemchuk slips to the Wild.

I just have to assume Guerin will try and trade back at this point. It's a bummer, but oh well.

If this was more NFL-like (based more on need), I'd have:
Anaheim
Utah
Seattle
SJ
Ottawa
As the only teams I'd be surprised didn't take a defenseman.

Then you just need 7 forwards to go: Celebrini, Demidov, Catton, Iginla, Lindstrom, Sennecke/Helenius/Eiserman.

This would leave us one of the six.

 

[AKL]

I sure hope that we wait till out turn comes up before we decide to trade down.

I'm 100% with this.

I'm not a huge fan of trading back in general. Hypothetically if we want Solberg, 13 might be a small reach for him, but there's no guarantee he's still there at 18. Just take the next best guy you want and stop worrying about it. Especially for a team that needs more high end talent.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Absolutely wait and see how the draft unfolds first.

It all depends on where they think the drops are. If you're dropping tiers in a move down, then it shouldn't look "fair", it should look to be in our favor.

Going from #13 to #18 goes through 1.5 tiers for me, which is why I wouldn't do if for pick #50 but might for pick #34.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Are there any players people hope are picked before Minnesota’s pick?

 

[AKL]

Are there any players people hope are picked before Minnesota’s pick?

MBN and Solberg

 

[Digitalbooya]

MBN and Solberg

I’m curious if NJ will pick MBN. Seems like a player they should be coveting.