2024 NHL Draft: Play with no weenie, for Celebrini
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since detroit likes MBN i could see him being a solid middle 6er however i think we should swing for a homer with a eiserman / solberg / greentree (hit or miss) again assuming all the good D are taken. ps im also guessing riley heidt is our MBN.
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I'm not sure I understand the Heidt and MBN comparison. Can you explain that to me?
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Here it is. I graded each player on a scale of 1-10 (1-Awful, 2/3-Poor, 4-Below Average, 5-Average, 6-above average, 7/8-High End, 9 Elite, 10-Rare) based on size/athleticism, skating, skill, sense, compete, shot, and production. I generally gave the most importance to skating, sense, compete, and I gave the least importance to shot quality. While I would make small tweaks to the grades based on what I saw in the limited viewings I had of most players, the grades were largely based on public consensus of available scouting reports. So, it's really more a balancing act of what traits I think will translate the best.
1.Mackin Celebrini: 55.1
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2.Zeev Buium: 49.5
3.Berkly Catton: 49.2
4.Artyom Levshunov: 48.9
5.Anton Silayev: 48.9
6.Ivan Demidov: 48.8
7.Carter Yakemchuk: 48.4
8.Zayne Perekh: 47.7
9.Cayden Lindstrom: 47.7
10.Sam Dickinson: 47.6
11.Tij Iginla: 47.3
12.Cole Eiserman: 46.0
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13.Beckett Sennecke: 43.8
14.Stian Solberg: 43.1
15.Michael Bransegg: 42.7
16.Michael Hage: 42.4
17.Matvei Gridin: 42.0
18.Konsta Helenius: 41.7
19.Nikita Artamanov: 41.7
20.Igor Chernyshov: 40.9
21.Liam Greentree: 40.8
22.Egor Surin: 40.2
23.Adam Jiricek: 40.1
24.Trevor Connelly: 40.0
--- End of first round grades
25.Timor Kol: 39.8
26.Jett Luchanko: 39.7
27.Cole Hutson: 39.7
28.Nate Misskey: 39.7
29.Henry Mews: 39.3
30.Marek Vanacker: 39.3
31.Dominik Badinka: 39.2
32.Leo Wallenius: 39.1
33.Charlie Elick: 39.1
34.Luca Marelli: 38.9
35.Sacha Boisvert: 38.6
36.E.j. Emery: 38.6
37.Will Skahan: 38.6
38.Tanner Howe: 38.6
39.Cole Beaudoin: 38.4
40.Aatos Koivu: 38.4
41.Adam Jecho: 38.3
42.Lucas Petterson: 38.2
43.Andrew Basha: 38.2
44.Terik Parascak: 38.1
45.Eriks Mateiko: 38.1
46.Veeti Vaisanen: 38.1
47.Ben Danford: 38.0
48.Carson Wetsch: 38.0
49.Sam O’Reilly: 37.9
50.Simon Zether: 37.9
51.Owen Allard: 37.8
52.Emil Hemming: 37.5
53.Teddy Stiga: 37.5
54.Aron Kiviharju: 37.4
55.Dean L’étourneau: 37.2
56.Leon Muggli: 37.2
57.Linus Eriksson: 36.9
58.Kamil Bednarik: 36.9
59.Raoul Boilard: 36.8
60.Miroslav Holinka: 36.8
61.Lukas Fischer: 36.8
62.John Mustard: 36.7
63.Matvei Shuravin: 36.6
64.Harrison Brunicke: 36.6
Not going to touch on anyone specifically but definitely would enjoy discourse if anyone has opinions on a specific ranking.
1.Mackin Celebrini: 55.1
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2.Zeev Buium: 49.5
3.Berkly Catton: 49.2
4.Artyom Levshunov: 48.9
5.Anton Silayev: 48.9
6.Ivan Demidov: 48.8
7.Carter Yakemchuk: 48.4
8.Zayne Perekh: 47.7
9.Cayden Lindstrom: 47.7
10.Sam Dickinson: 47.6
11.Tij Iginla: 47.3
12.Cole Eiserman: 46.0
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13.Beckett Sennecke: 43.8
14.Stian Solberg: 43.1
15.Michael Bransegg: 42.7
16.Michael Hage: 42.4
17.Matvei Gridin: 42.0
18.Konsta Helenius: 41.7
19.Nikita Artamanov: 41.7
20.Igor Chernyshov: 40.9
21.Liam Greentree: 40.8
22.Egor Surin: 40.2
23.Adam Jiricek: 40.1
24.Trevor Connelly: 40.0
--- End of first round grades
25.Timor Kol: 39.8
26.Jett Luchanko: 39.7
27.Cole Hutson: 39.7
28.Nate Misskey: 39.7
29.Henry Mews: 39.3
30.Marek Vanacker: 39.3
31.Dominik Badinka: 39.2
32.Leo Wallenius: 39.1
33.Charlie Elick: 39.1
34.Luca Marelli: 38.9
35.Sacha Boisvert: 38.6
36.E.j. Emery: 38.6
37.Will Skahan: 38.6
38.Tanner Howe: 38.6
39.Cole Beaudoin: 38.4
40.Aatos Koivu: 38.4
41.Adam Jecho: 38.3
42.Lucas Petterson: 38.2
43.Andrew Basha: 38.2
44.Terik Parascak: 38.1
45.Eriks Mateiko: 38.1
46.Veeti Vaisanen: 38.1
47.Ben Danford: 38.0
48.Carson Wetsch: 38.0
49.Sam O’Reilly: 37.9
50.Simon Zether: 37.9
51.Owen Allard: 37.8
52.Emil Hemming: 37.5
53.Teddy Stiga: 37.5
54.Aron Kiviharju: 37.4
55.Dean L’étourneau: 37.2
56.Leon Muggli: 37.2
57.Linus Eriksson: 36.9
58.Kamil Bednarik: 36.9
59.Raoul Boilard: 36.8
60.Miroslav Holinka: 36.8
61.Lukas Fischer: 36.8
62.John Mustard: 36.7
63.Matvei Shuravin: 36.6
64.Harrison Brunicke: 36.6
Not going to touch on anyone specifically but definitely would enjoy discourse if anyone has opinions on a specific ranking.
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Not really relevant, but just cause I'm curious, where would Rutger McGroarty fall on this list for you?
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Very nice, thanks for sharing! I'm guessing it's just addition straight across to generate these scores? Or did you weight each metric differently?
What was the deciding factor to have Levshunov above Demidov? I feel like I was one of a select few that had Levshunov over Demidov when we were doing the big board polls. Meanwhile, the majority here seem to want Demidov.
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I weighted each metric differently
Really came down to better size and the production against far better competition was so impressive.
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Why?
Wild haven't really been burned by the russian factor. Sure, Kaprizov took a while to come over, but he was also a 5th round pick.
I would have Brunicke and O'Rielly higher, Shuravin, too. Will be happy if we get O'Rielly as our 2nd pick. Maybe not the highest upside, but he has just about everything you want in a middle six glue guy. Sort of similar to Helenius, but will end up being a bit bigger. He switched from D only three years ago, so there is the possibility of a higher rate of progression.
Don't know what to think of Parascak...i watched him a lot when geeking out on Heidt, and there simply isn't much to dislike, AND he shows up in just about every scoring play. Nothing about him really stands out- maybe his shot, offensive IQ?- but nothing stands out as a negative, either. I think his skating will be fine. He might be the next Beckman, but Parascak had his big year during his draft year, not his D + 1. Would be a tough decision between him(higher ceiling) and O'Rielly(higher floor, better fit?)if they are still around at #45.
Thought you'd be higher on Sennecke, and lower on Eiserman. Sennecke is hard to quantify because so much about him is based on projection rather than what he has actually done on a consistent basis, but some of what i saw was jaw dropping. I'd be thrilled if we get him at 13. Might have to wait 3-4 years before we see him on the Wild, but he could be a 1st liner.
I think Dickinson is low at #10. People keep saying he has a low ceiling on offense, while Yakemchuk has so much offense, then i look at the production, and Dickinson's play during the Mem Cup final and have to shake my head. Dickinson is clearly a better skater and defender than Yak, the same size, and a superior athlete. The only thing Yak has, for me, is handedness. I would take Dickinson 10 times out of 10 over Parekh. I am a guy who really values a shutdown defender, especially if he has good feet and a nice breakout pass, and thinks that you only want one defensively challenged offensive Dmen per team. Parekh is just not vg defensively. Yakemchuk might need work on his pivots and line rushes, but at least the guy is fierce, and very competitive in board battles. Parekh is...mild.
I like Catton, but he is small, and slight of frame. I will be very surprised if he is picked that high. See him going in the 8-11 range. A lot of GM's will worry that he doesn't have the build and toughness to survive in pro hockey.
I also like Buium, but he lacks ideal size, skating speed, and is LH. He is like an improved version of Parekh, to me. I don't see him being picked till 5-10.
I didn't really watch much Luchanko(crap team), but opposing coaches and OHL scouts had very good things to say about him, and his height and weight at the Combine were decent(5'11", 187). He has speed, smarts, and can play C. I can see a team picking him over Helenius. He led his weak team in points, and came on during the course of the year, having a very nice U18. RHS makes him even more appealing.
Thanks for all your work!
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MBN and Solberg are on my DND list
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I don't like that deal for Farabee. Farabee has 4 years of control left at 5M and I don't think he has any more untapped upside. McGroarty has 7 years of team control left and his ELC will be three of those. That's a significantly better cost benefit for us. I also think McGroarty has quite a bit more offensive upside.
There's a line somewhere between the two players that I wouldn't cross when it comes to trading 13+ for them.
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Lots of different reasons. Trouble getting them signed, bailing from the AHL team, staying in the KHL for too long, etc.
Cultural + language barriers.
Stuff that happened to Panarin, Vojnov situation, Ovie gate, and so on.
Won't name names but some of them had substance issues (yes, it can happen to anyone)
I know some teams is reluctant too. But it's just my personal opinion, in total I think it's not worth it.
Some other reasons I can't mention on this board bc the site rules.
My understanding is that Europeans are even more freaked out by recent world events involving Russia than North Americans, and understandably so because of their proximity. As Sweetnut said, going into more detail would go against Board rules.
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Order of my Top 15, by my excitement level of drafting at #13 (or at all, with trade/trade up):
1) Celebrini (obvi)
2) Demidov
3) Buium
4) Iginla
5) Dickinson
6) Lindstrom
7) Levshunov
8) Catton
9) Silayev
10) Helenius
11) Sennecke
12) Parekh
13) Eiserman
14) Solberg
15) Yakemchuk
HM: Hage, Brandsegg-Nygaard, Jiricek (in that order)
I think 8-13 are the actual realistic candidates -- maybe swapping Dickinson (who seems to be falling a bit) with Silayev (who someone will almost assuredly roll the dice on early).
Honestly, any of the top 11 I am pretty dang excited about, and then 12-HMs I think I would prefer to trade back a bit and add a third rounder, (since we don't have one) hoping one of those other 7 (realistically 4, as Parekh, Yak, Eiserman are most likely gone in first 14 picks) names falls to wherever we end up.
*Also note, this isn't necessarily my 1-15 list of who I think is gonna be the best NHL player, just best fits for the Wild, our prospect pool, and what we appear to be building at this specific point in time.
1) Celebrini (obvi)
2) Demidov
3) Buium
4) Iginla
5) Dickinson
6) Lindstrom
7) Levshunov
8) Catton
9) Silayev
10) Helenius
11) Sennecke
12) Parekh
13) Eiserman
14) Solberg
15) Yakemchuk
HM: Hage, Brandsegg-Nygaard, Jiricek (in that order)
I think 8-13 are the actual realistic candidates -- maybe swapping Dickinson (who seems to be falling a bit) with Silayev (who someone will almost assuredly roll the dice on early).
Honestly, any of the top 11 I am pretty dang excited about, and then 12-HMs I think I would prefer to trade back a bit and add a third rounder, (since we don't have one) hoping one of those other 7 (realistically 4, as Parekh, Yak, Eiserman are most likely gone in first 14 picks) names falls to wherever we end up.
*Also note, this isn't necessarily my 1-15 list of who I think is gonna be the best NHL player, just best fits for the Wild, our prospect pool, and what we appear to be building at this specific point in time.
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Both are Norwegian. I’ll let you connect the dots with that.
I’d be fine with either. This team could use some big and nasty with skill.
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If it wins the Wild a Cup, I'll welcome whoever to the team for as long as they want.
I really like Chernyshov. Big, skilled RHS. I think having Kap, Marat & Yurov mitigates a lot of the risk of him staying in KHL too long. If we reach for him at 13, I won’t be upset. But I also wouldn’t blame others if they are upset.
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The Wild have already lost out on 3 Cups by picking 13th this year when they were poised to pick top 5 at one point
I’m of the same opinion! I was going to ask who people thought would be sleeper picks for our spot. Chernyshov is definitely one I wouldn’t be mad about. He sounds like a Boldy-lite that is right handed.
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