2024 Main Training Camp Thread (Update 10/06: Cooley, Schwindt & Pelletier waived) 27 players left in camp: 3G, 8D, 16F

[Volica]

Sort of confused where Calgary is coming from here, being in a rebuild and all. Not that I think Pelts will be much outside of a depth guy in his career; but choosing a bunch of depth vets over him is confusing.

The contract thing.
The coming into camp looking lost.
The mediocre preseason.

He didn’t help himself here either.

I think he’ll pass through, I think his calibre and especially his size will have people passing. I could see Montreal maybe, just because of the nationality thing.

 

[MM917]

Bottom line, it's poor asset management and a nonsensical lack of patience. That they would prioritize utterly irrelevant mercs like Rooney or Hanley, position be damned is simply insane.

And if the Flames still haven't figured out something so basic, then hard to believe they'll one day magically put it all together.

Rooney and Hanley can pass through waivers any time they want no risk of them ever being taken. Now that is likely the same with Pelltier but there could always be one team dumb enough to think they have the magic elixir to change lack of talent.

So sending him down when teams are the healthiest they will be all year and when there are a ton of other options makes sense. Like I said it likely doesn't matter as every team has a Pelltier or two or three so unlikely he does get picked but with Rooney and hanley no chance they get taken so you save their waivers for when you have no other choice and might risk a Pelletier to a team that just lost 3 guys that week to the IR.

 

[Some Other Flame]

I mean I’m team “Pospisil to the 4th line” probably more than anyone else, but in what world is demoting prospects who have shown much more to accommodate one who isn’t looking good great long term thinking? Punish good young players to promote ones who currently are not is a terrible philosophy.

I’m chuckling imagining the conversation between Huska and Zary when they tell him he’s getting demoted to the 4th line for 5-10 games because they have a guy who they’d rather be in the AHL we have to protect.

Except no one's being punished in this case. Rooney doesn't count because he's irrelevant.

Being on decent 4th line getting roughly 10 minutes a game is not a punishment, especially with Huska literally saying he's gone run 4 lines.

It all comes down the simple ability to think longterm versus short term reactionary moves. It's the reason why they they signed Mantha & Barrie, kept Hanley & Rooney on the roster, why they waived Solovyov & Pelletier - it's always about the short term with this franchise.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Except no one's being punished in this case. Rooney doesn't count because he's irrelevant.

Being on decent 4th line getting roughly 10 minutes a game is not a punishment, especially with Huska literally saying he's gone run 4 lines.

It all comes down the simple ability to think longterm versus short term reactionary moves. It's the reason why they they signed Mantha & Barrie, kept Hanley & Rooney on the roster, why they waived Solovyov & Pelletier - it's always about the short term with this franchise.

If you don’t see how giving Pospisil and ESPECIALLY Zary 10 minutes a night on our 4th line isn’t punishing and detrimental I don’t think you’re in a place to be rational about this.

Sure, let’s cut Zary’s ice time by 50% to accommodate Pelletier, now that’s thinking about the future of our team. You develop players by giving them more minutes, not taking them away.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

If you don’t see how giving Pospisil and ESPECIALLY Zary 10 minutes a night on our 4th line isn’t punishing and detrimental I don’t think you’re in a place to be rational about this.

Sure, let’s cut Zary’s ice time by 50% to accommodate Pelletier, now that’s thinking about the future of our team. You develop players by giving them more minutes, not taking them away.

You could give Zary PP time and Pospisil PK time. Give them equal opportunities on the 4th and 2nd line, so they average about 15 minutes per game.
82x15=1,230
72x18=1,296

The difference is minimal.

 

[Kahvi]

Honzek can play in AHL this season, right? so there's no 9 game contract slide thing, unless he's sent to CHL

 

[JPeeper]

Pretty sure we've been over this. All the roster "problems" could have been easily solved by waiving Rooney and having Zary & Pospisil alternate as the 4th line center depending on who's going. There's the winger spot freed for Pelletier.

But that would have required a coach and GM capable of thinking longterm and being slightly creative which obviously is a big no no in Calgary.

Can't have offensive prospects playing in the 4th line. Can't have checking prospects on the 4th. No, the 4th line has be useless and a liability 5 on 5, that's the rule.

So Pelletier should be gifted a spot so you can have Zary or Pospisil, players who are better than him, down on the 4th line which will get them less ice-time and stall their development time so Pelletier who didn't outwork anyone in camp can stay on the team.

That's stupid. It also disrespects all 50 players who have contracts on the Flames saying essentially that hard work doesn't matter, waiver status does. Again, that's stupid.

 

[Yepthatsme]

You could give Zary PP time and Pospisil PK time. Give them equal opportunities on the 4th and 2nd line, so they average about 15 minutes per game.
82x15=1,230
72x18=1,296

The difference is minimal.

We had 2 forwards average over 2 minutes a night on the kill last year, so even if we are handing over the keys to Pospisil to be our go to PK guy on the season for god knows what reason, our 4th line would still be getting about 13 minutes a night for that. Last year it got about 7-10. Ditto for Zary. PP2 got 1:30-2 minutes last year. Plus 15 minutes a night is literally a downgrade for him as well.

Can’t believe the mental gymnastics going on here, people are arguing that centering a guy who if he wasn’t a 1st round pick wouldn’t have been one of the final 20 forwards in camp and Ryan Lomberg can be just as good of an opportunity as playing with Backlund and Coleman or Huberdeau and Mantha, as long as you wildly overplay them. Lomberg’s goal totals last year and Pelletier’s career goal totals add up to 11.