GDT: 2024 Draft Discussion

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People have gone to great lengths to explain the first half of his season and the human elements that were clearly at play. I think he compares quite favorably to Larkin, has a little less in his skating but far more pop in his shot at a similar stage. Very intrigued by him, reminds me of Danielson too in terms of every time I watch him his game grows on me more and more.

He plays a style where you have a lot to work with and coaches will trust him while he expands his game.
I have also seen some similarities between the two, as far as how they look on the ice

Danielson probably the more complete player, Hage maybe a touch better offensively. But otherwise I think there is some crossover between the two.
 

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Coronato = 18 year old season DY
Hage = 17 year old season DY

Pretty simple
Neither one of them were 100% that age for those seasons but alrighty.

I’ll just have to agree to disagree here I guess.

(Technically for both of them their draft season started with them at 17 and ended with them at 18 ;)… almost like you could just compare that straight up)
 

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Neither one of them were 100% that age for those seasons but alrighty.

I’ll just have to agree to disagree here I guess.
Not sure if you understand how hockey birthyears and minor hockey work. Matt Coronato being a 2002 birthyear plays with all the 2002s every year growing up. Most of the 2002 birthyear (January 1-September 15) is 2020 Draft eligible, while a minority of them (September 16-December 31) have to wait and thus are 2021 Draft eligible. So, as a result, Coronato gets an extra season of hockey to inflate his resume prior to being drafted. Granted, like I said, you can make the case because he's a November birthday and thus one of the youngest in his hockey birthyear grouping, he had more room to grow and used that extra year to offset some of the loss of being younger growing up in minor hockey.

The year you turn a certain age, no matter when in the year, is the ____ old season for you. Ex: Bedard, 2005 birthyear, 2022-23 season starts in 2022, thus that is his 17 year old season. It's just how it's always been measured in hockey.
 
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Not sure if you understand how hockey birthyears and minor hockey work. Matt Coronato being a 2002 birthyear plays with all the 2002s every year growing up. Most of the 2002 birthyear (January 1-September 15) is 2020 Draft eligible, while a minority of them (September 16-December 31) have to wait and thus are 2021 Draft eligible. So, as a result, Coronato gets an extra season of hockey to inflate his resume prior to being drafted. Granted, like I said, you can make the case because he's a November birthday and thus one of the youngest in his hockey birthyear grouping, he had more room to grow and used that extra year to offset some of the loss of being younger growing up in minor hockey.

The year you turn a certain age, no matter when in the year, is the ____ old season for you. Ex: Bedard, 2005 birthyear, 2022-23 season starts in 2022, thus that is his 17 year old season. It's just how it's always been measured in hockey.
Sure but it’s not how they set up the draft.

So I don’t know why you keep bringing that up. I’m not comparing AAA players, I’m comparing NHL draft prospects.

Also as I said in my post that I edited after you quoted, both Hage and Coronato started their draft year at 17 and ended it at 18. So I don’t know why you would use any other time frame.
 

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Totally agree. I'm 99 percent sure that anybody realistically available at 15 eventually becomes a middle six forward.

Death not an option, packaging the pick for a good NHL player >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> root canal > continuing to collect middle six forwards at this stage of the rebuild.
How is that different from any other year? You you are expecting to find first line players at 15OA, you haven't been following the draft.

I feel like we’re gonna draft a dude that was mentioned like 3 times in this thread

But based on the boards I keep seeing, there’s maybe a chance that one of these defenseman drops? Honestly I like the defenseman way more than the forwards this draft, based on scouting reports and youtube
Igor Chernyshov come on down...
 
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I feel like we’re gonna draft a dude that was mentioned like 3 times in this thread

But based on the boards I keep seeing, there’s maybe a chance that one of these defenseman drops? Honestly I like the defenseman way more than the forwards this draft, based on scouting reports and youtube

I doubt the D drop this year. The reason dmen drop is a lack of centers. The forwards this year that could jump them are all wingers. D pretty much always go at a higher rate than public lists expect

People have gone to great lengths to explain the first half of his season and the human elements that were clearly at play. I think he compares quite favorably to Larkin, has a little less in his skating but far more pop in his shot at a similar stage. Very intrigued by him, reminds me of Danielson too in terms of every time I watch him his game grows on me more and more.

He plays a style where you have a lot to work with and coaches will trust him while he expands his game.

I havent seen him play but his scouting reports check a bunch of boxes that Detroit could use. Really high offensive upside with a little grit in his game is exactly the type of guy that Yzerman drafts.

Without having seen him, the one thing I will say I for sure like... he missed basically all of last year, then lost his Dad before the season. He then proceeded to start slow and just tear that league up toward the end of the season. Development on an upward trajectory like that is something to look for. I think hes the type of higher risk higher reward I would be fine with seeing at 15.

McKenzie's list has Hage at 36? Seems low considering the chatter here.
A lot of scouts will have had time now to get togeter and Bobs next list will be changed quite a bit. I expect Hage will be somewhere around 20 given how he ended the year but I could be wrong obviously.

Pretty sure youre looking at an old list too. Iginla is up to 10 now
 
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How is that different from any other year? You you are expecting to find first line players at 15OA, you haven't been following the draft.
You misunderstand me. My expectations for 15OA remain the same.

The difference is that Detroit is no longer picking top ten, so my preference shifts from hoarding picks to dealing picks for players, since I no longer expect the picks in front of them to have any chance at becoming first line forwards or top pairing defensemen.
 

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A lot of scouts will have had time now to get togeter and Bobs next list will be changed quite a bit. I expect Hage will be somewhere around 20 given how he ended the year but I could be wrong obviously.

Pretty sure youre looking at an old list too. Iginla is up to 10 now
I was looking at EP, so I assumed they had the most recent up to date list. I think MzKenzie's final list already came out so that's why I was surprised. But maybe EP hasn't updated it.
 

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You misunderstand me. My expectations for 15OA remain the same.

The difference is that Detroit is no longer picking top ten, so my preference shifts from hoarding picks to dealing picks for players, since I no longer expect the picks in front of them to have any chance at becoming first line forwards or top pairing defensemen.
I would love to move our 15OA for a top line forward. I just can't think of any objective reason why it is likely to happen. If we don't want it, I am not expecting someone else to REALLY want it. Who knows. The draft will be here soon enough.
 

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I was looking at EP, so I assumed they had the most recent up to date list. I think MzKenzie's final list already came out so that's why I was surprised. But maybe EP hasn't updated it.
His final list will come out the week of the draft. He released a top 15 at lottery time jut to get people talking but it also likely wont be the same 15 as he releases in June
 

jkutswings

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I would love to move our 15OA for a top line forward. I just can't think of any objective reason why it is likely to happen. If we don't want it, I am not expecting someone else to REALLY want it. Who knows. The draft will be here soon enough.
Agreed. Hoping to package multiple picks and prospects to hoodwink somebody, but not holding my breath.
 

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I’ve been reading the EP draft guide and here’s a quick list of guys I like for our 2nd/3rd picks and a few names on my do not draft list.

Likes
Simon Zether, Julius Miettanen, Dominik Badinka, Alfons Freij, Emil Hemming, Lucas Pettersson, Justin Poirier, Cole Hutson, Tanner Howe, Lukas Fischer, Maxim Masse, Luke Misa,

Dislikes
Cole Beaudoin (they say shades of Andrew Copp), EJ Emery (sounds like Cleveland), Terik Parascek (sounds like Martin Frk) Miguel Marques, Jesse Pulkkinen, Aron Kiviharju, AJ Spellacy, Adam Jecho
 

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I’ve been reading the EP draft guide and here’s a quick list of guys I like for our 2nd/3rd picks and a few names on my do not draft list.

Likes
Simon Zether, Julius Miettanen, Dominik Badinka, Alfons Freij, Emil Hemming, Lucas Pettersson, Justin Poirier, Cole Hutson, Tanner Howe, Lukas Fischer, Maxim Masse, Luke Misa,

Dislikes
Cole Beaudoin (they say shades of Andrew Copp), EJ Emery (sounds like Cleveland), Terik Parascek (sounds like Martin Frk) Miguel Marques, Jesse Pulkkinen, Aron Kiviharju, AJ Spellacy, Adam Jecho
Bro go watch highlights from the U18s. EJ Emery has 1000x more untapped potential than Cleveland.

I also disagree with not wanting Parascak, Marques, or Pulkkinen. What’s the reasoning for not wanting Marques? I think he’s really underrated in this class. Pulkkinen looked pretty impressive to me for Finland at. Parascak is the kind of risk I would take in round 2 but I think he will probably go late round 1, so moot point.

I also think Emery goes in late round 1, so I don’t think you have to worry. (Detroit might love him, buckle up)
 
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HAGE is a BOOM player in this draft. He could be a mid round 'steal', but there are safer picks to be had. I wouldn't hate the HAGE pick, even though I prefer MBN. I also wouldn't hate Sennecke.

I think someone potentially good is going to be available at #15 for us. MBN is the most NHL ready, HAGE will need 2 or 3 years development like Kasper needs.
Agreed. I'm not anti hage and MBN would also be a solid choice. And sorry if I got the wrong guy, but someone had Hage top ten in every talent/skill category. So, if true, definitely a top 5 pick, even with the expected pro-rated bust factor included.
Now, on the other hand, there are a few that insist, we should trade this pick. That's putting the cart before the horse, sure we just missed the playoffs, but were we actually contenders? We need more young talent. Keep it, make it, and hope for another larkin.
 

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People have gone to great lengths to explain the first half of his season and the human elements that were clearly at play. I think he compares quite favorably to Larkin, has a little less in his skating but far more pop in his shot at a similar stage. Very intrigued by him, reminds me of Danielson too in terms of every time I watch him his game grows on me more and more.

He plays a style where you have a lot to work with and coaches will trust him while he expands his game.
Sorry, I certainly don't mean to minimize the effort that some go to, in order to promote their guy, I often do same. I would simply like to point out, that Larkin would likely go much higher in a redraft. So if this Larkin/Danielson hybrid is there at 15, great!!, I'll take 2. So like I said above, if what I'm hearing is true, then he will be a steal at 15. A STEAL!!!! I do apologize if I insulted anyone previously, or came off sarcastic, it was not intended.
 

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In addition to this, I think Hage is more an instinctual player than Danielson. Danielson is strong offensively but Hage is more creative with the puck on his stick and can generate something from nothing easier. Danielson’s defense is leaps and bounds better than Hage who seems like he’s just learning that side of it. 2+ years in Michigan will do him wonders.
Again. I am not anti hage!!!! I merely made a comment to a post that made him sound like a slam duck top 5 pick. I didn't throw out any pejoratives against him or his game, nor did I make an ad hominem attacks against the poster.
 

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