2024 DRAFT 9th Overall Zayne Parekh

I don’t even understand why you’re bringing the Hawks into this. They’ve been spiralling for 8 years as a basement dweller. We haven’t even come close to having a losing culture like that permeate and create pressure on our prospects

Many guys eventually find their way in the NHL. Rushed prospects lose their confidence because they get lost in the shuffle once the coach loses faith in them. Then a change of scenary happens (Kakko et al.)

Tkachuk had the numbers in his first nine games but he looked slow and unable to keep up. I expected him to be sent down but the team stuck with him and he was put into a position to succeed with Backlund and Frolik for a strong rookie year. If we put Parekh next to Jake Bean for 50 games, then that will hurt his confidence. If he gets time with Weegar or Bahl, then it’s worth a shot to see what he can do
I haven’t mentioned the hawks once, just used two very commonly known examples of players who fit this situation to a tee. Could use Zegras, Yamamoto, Bennett, Nichuskin, Drouin, N. Robertson, Knight, Sillinger etc. Could name an example from almost every team, players who obviously have the talent and/or physical gifts, but regressed and changed their game or were rushed and don’t resemble anything close to what their potential once was. Could name an example from every team under every coach, and unless you think there’s no such thing as a good coach I don’t know what to tell you.

Once again you’re using examples of a player like Tkachuk who just had a slow adjustment. He had 48 points in his 18 year old season, he was ready for the NHL. There is a passable chance Parekh is not quite ready for the NHL at all next season, and we are discussing the impacts that could have on his career if that ends up being the case.

Your opinion seems to be that as long as Huska is ok with it and doesn’t punish him, Parekh would be unphased by getting turnstiled by players and none of his usual tricks working while he struggles to produce for his first full season? Maybe this is all a misunderstanding if that’s not the case, because I’m saying if he has year where he gets bullied by NHLers while he struggles with strength, and a big majority of his usual magic ends up in chances against instead of for, that could negatively effect his development regardless of how Huska handles it.
 
I wouldn't keep him up in the NHL regardless of play, if he's really bad you send him down and give him some more time. That said, I think he's hit a point where he's going to benefit more from NHL practice, training and gameplay than he's going to benefit from another OHL year.

I'd release him for the WJC though if he hasn't proven to be beyond that level.
 
I mean the worst that can happen is he’s overwhelmed by the pace adjustment jumping from the NHL and can’t play his game, so he makes changes to his game to try and survive. Everyone’s favorite “coaching the talent out of him” that gets thrown around when players who aren’t ready just try to play low risk, low touch hockey and then have to try and learn to re-add their offensive game later. Second worst is he isn’t nearly ready for the physicality and gets a lower body injury that hampers his mobility (like what turned Valimaki from a promising top 4 defenseman to waiver fodder).

I’m on the side of give him any and every possibility to make the team, but let’s not pretend the only risk is he’s pulling the puck out of his net a lot. Stunting his development is a serious risk that has to be considered and weighed.

I mean.
We can't really point to Juuso's freak injuries as a reason to not move people into the NHL. That's like saying smaller guys should be wary of the league because Scott Stevens tried to murder Paul Kariya.

Looking at his production (PPG+ in the CHL, PPGish in college, 0.5+ ppg in a pro league), his draft stock (top10) and the age he'll go in the NHL, these are the guys the past decade that have been slotted in there:

Zach Werenski
Ivan Provorov (much less offensively talented).
Noah Hanifin
Mikhail Sergachev
Cale Makar
Quinn Hughes
Rasmus Dahlin
Evan Bouchard
Adam Boqvist
Bowen Byram
Jake Sanderson
Owen Power
Pavel Mintyukov

Reminder. He's outproduced every single one of these guys. Lapping many. And lots of these guys were on powerhouse teams. The two guys that most closely resemble are Werenski and Makar (D+2). The only guy I wouldn't want on the roster is may Boqvist, but I even think there's a player in there.

I don't think most of us are really putting together the level of elite here. Like it feels like when everyone on this forum was debating how Gaudreau was going to do the AHL thing to adjust for the size and then he came out and dropped a Calder-contention level rookie season.
 
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It blows my mind how little confidence some fans here have in him. Like there is no world where sending him back to juniors makes any sense. Look how much it delayed Shane Wright. Start him out in top 4 minutes paired with a defensive stud in Weegar, if he needs better matchups we can try him with Bahl and just let Andersson and Weegar play together against the opponents top guys. If we really need to shelter him, then Pachal can sit on in the press box and he can play with Bean or whoever on the 3rd pair. If we want him to watch and learn we can sit him here and there too.

We have so many options here, the only way we bungle this is by signing some 28+ defenseman to a bloated contract while also keeping and extending Andersson too
 
I mean.
We can't really point to Juuso's freak injuries as a reason to not move people into the NHL. That's like saying smaller guys should be wary of the league because Scott Stevens tried to murder Paul Kariya.

Looking at his production (PPG+ in the CHL, PPGish in college, 0.5+ ppg in a pro league), his draft stock (top10) and the age he'll go in the NHL, these are the guys the past decade that have been slotted in there:

Zach Werenski
Ivan Provorov (much less offensively talented).
Noah Hanifin
Mikhail Sergachev
Cale Makar
Quinn Hughes
Rasmus Dahlin
Evan Bouchard
Adam Boqvist
Bowen Byram
Jake Sanderson
Owen Power
Pavel Mintyukov

Reminder. He's outproduced every single one of these guys. Lapping many. And lots of these guys were on powerhouse teams. The two guys that most closely resemble are Werenski and Makar (D+2). The only guy I wouldn't want on the roster is may Boqvist, but I even think there's a player in there.

I don't think most of us are really putting together the level of elite here. Like it feels like when everyone on this forum was debating how Gaudreau was going to do the AHL thing to adjust for the size and then he came out and dropped a Calder-contention level rookie season.
I was pointing out risks associated to bringing him up as the other poster stated the worst case scenario is he just rides the pine. I definitely don’t think it’s even likely he is just a constant injury risk, but he has just this season stopped being bodied by junior aged players and if he gets physically dominated next year it’d be a worry. Ironically this is all to the same poster who said Honzek was too much of an injury risk to play in the AHL this year to defend saying he should have to play overage in the CHL currently.

Oh I know his potential, I’ve been keeping the main prospect board up to date on how historic his season was. He definitely could come in and blow the doors off. Most of this topic of discussion though has been what if he isn’t quite ready and struggles, which also could happen as his size and strength are still below where you’d like it it (that’s also today, who knows how he shows up to camp), and the pace adjustment is definitely a factor.
 
I haven’t mentioned the hawks once, just used two very commonly known examples of players who fit this situation to a tee. Could use Zegras, Yamamoto, Bennett, Nichuskin, Drouin, N. Robertson, Knight, Sillinger etc. Could name an example from almost every team, players who obviously have the talent and/or physical gifts, but regressed and changed their game or were rushed and don’t resemble anything close to what their potential once was. Could name an example from every team under every coach, and unless you think there’s no such thing as a good coach I don’t know what to tell you.

Once again you’re using examples of a player like Tkachuk who just had a slow adjustment. He had 48 points in his 18 year old season, he was ready for the NHL. There is a passable chance Parekh is not quite ready for the NHL at all next season, and we are discussing the impacts that could have on his career if that ends up being the case.

Your opinion seems to be that as long as Huska is ok with it and doesn’t punish him, Parekh would be unphased by getting turnstiled by players and none of his usual tricks working while he struggles to produce for his first full season? Maybe this is all a misunderstanding if that’s not the case, because I’m saying if he has year where he gets bullied by NHLers while he struggles with strength, and a big majority of his usual magic ends up in chances against instead of for, that could negatively effect his development regardless of how Huska handles it.
You seem to think that Parekh is going to arrive here and be a consistent -3 to -5 player a la October-December Lane Hutson.

You were very hesitant about Dustin Wolf too who is now running circles around Jacob Markstrom. I don’t get it. When a blue-chip guy bangs down the door, the first instinct shouldn’t be to think about how much of a failure he’ll be
 
i certainly rather have parekh getting blasted by competition and learning from them than watching 27+ yr olds like bean/miro/pachal/hanley getting torched with no upside.
 
You seem to think that Parekh is going to arrive here and be a consistent -3 to -5 player a la October-December Lane Hutson.

You were very hesitant about Dustin Wolf too who is now running circles around Jacob Markstrom. I don’t get it. When a blue-chip guy bangs down the door, the first instinct shouldn’t be to think about how much of a failure he’ll be
I try to set up reasonable expectations and honestly Wolf just blew them out of the water. His development year over year was pretty insane, going from being inconsistent with some weak performances mixed in with his strong ones in his NHL games last year to much stronger, more consistent results with a weaker defense core in front of him. He went from dominating the AHL and still figuring out the NHL to just immediately being a strong NHL goalie. I was his loudest fan as well as a prospect, but plenty of other blue chips have fumbled trying to make similar jumps (Knight, Levi, Wallstedt, Hart etc).

Great example brought up by you. Hutson is an extremely special defense prospect, who walked in and is immediately is one of the top 10 offensive defenseman in the league. He also was practically the NHL equivalent of the go square on the monopoly board when it came to slowing down offensive players. That was with 2 years of development post draft playing in a more structured and older environment in the NCAA. Parekh has one year of development, playing in juniors with the team who plays the most open system you can imagine. He will likely take absolute leaps in his development every single year with the calibre of prospect he is, and he definitely has the potential to blow the doors off, but a pretty reasonable outcome is for him to be sheltered as humanly possible next year, put up 30ish points, and still have some pretty bad low lights that I’m sure his detractors on the main boards are going to love.

Edit: Here are the best U20 rookie seasons by a defenseman the last decade:

Werenski 47 points, +17
Dahlin 40 points, -11
Sergachev 40 points, +11
Heiskanen 33 points, -11
Provorov 30 points, -7
Girard 23 points, -11
Hanifin 20 points, -14
Chychrun 20 points, -14

That’s it, that’s the entire list of defenseman who were able to hit 20 points in their rookie year while they were “junior eligible” age. You say I’m downplaying him, but my reasonable expectation is around a top 3 debut this decade, while I think he’s less developed than a lot of this list was at the same age.
 
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i certainly rather have parekh getting blasted by competition and learning from them than watching 27+ yr olds like bean/miro/pachal/hanley getting torched with no upside.

This has sort of been my point.
It'd be different if Solo, Yan, Bruiser or Poirier were establishing themselves as regulars and we had already had a group of 20-24 year olds developing at that level; but most of what we have, is what we have.

Do I think Bean, Miro, Nacho or Pachal have many more levels to their game? No; they are sort of what they are, they can round out as they get into prime years (for Pachal mostly) but there's no upside here where we go 'man, thank God we took a chance on Miromanov'.
 
I think it comes down to the kid, in training camp. If his offense shines through, then he's ready and he wins a spot. If the offense struggles, then he probably doesn't earn a spot, based on the current status of the rest of his game. I definitely don't want him in a 3rd pairing situation. He's either producing, in a sheltered top 4 position or back to junior.
 
I think it comes down to the kid, in training camp. If his offense shines through, then he's ready and he wins a spot. If the offense struggles, then he probably doesn't earn a spot, based on the current status of the rest of his game. I definitely don't want him in a 3rd pairing situation. He's either producing, in a sheltered top 4 position or back to junior.
I have no issue with him playing some 3rd pair minutes if it shelters him the best. Like if we need to send Weegar out there against MacKinnon, I would rather separate them and send Zayne out with like Bean for an offensive zone FO vs their 3rd line
 
I have no issue with him playing some 3rd pair minutes if it shelters him the best. Like if we need to send Weegar out there against MacKinnon, I would rather separate them and send Zayne out with like Bean for an offensive zone FO vs their 3rd line
I meant more so stapled to the 3rd pairing because of the holes in his defensive game. That is the quickest way to destroy offensive talent, in my opinion. Skilled players need to be played with skilled players, even through development.
 
Parekh put up 1 assist in tonight's game. Saginaw got smoked 9-5. Has 3 assists in the playoffs, Saginaw has given up 17 goals in 2 games.

I wonder if we see Parekh get a couple games on the Flames.
 
It would be ideal if Calgary had someone like the mid 80’s early 90’s Brad McCrimmon to pair with Parekh as a rookie.

Beast was the perfect partner for an offensive minded rookie defenceman. Lidstrom has often mentioned how much MCCrimmon protected him - - defensively and physically - - as a rookie in Detroit.
 
Parekh put up 1 assist in tonight's game. Saginaw got smoked 9-5. Has 3 assists in the playoffs, Saginaw has given up 17 goals in 2 games.

I wonder if we see Parekh get a couple games on the Flames.

Saginaw looks like they’re going to get eaten alive by Erie.

Zayne’s season might be over before next weekend. I said it in the other thread, Calgary needs to go minimum 4-1 over the next 5 or she’s over. So it’d be a good opportunity to get this young man a few games for him to see the speed and what he needs to do this summer.
 
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Players drafted from the Canadian Hockey League (CHL) are generally ineligible to play in the American Hockey League (AHL) until they turn 20 or complete four years in major junior hockey, unless they are on an NHL roster.
Yes... until their CHL season ends. CHL players join AHL teams after their CHL teams are eliminated on a fairly regular basis.

Just the Flames...
2024 - Samuel Honzek, Jaden Lipinski, Etienne Morin and Parker Bell joined the Wranglers after their CHL seasons finished.
2023 - Parker Bell joined the Wranglers after his CHL season finished.
2022 - Ryan Francis and Rory Kerins joined the Heat after their CHL season finished.
2021 - Dustin Wolf and Connor Zary joined the Heat after their CHL season finished.
 
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