2024 Coaching/Front Office Thread: You Can Take Your Seat Hot to Go

[GKJ]

It's a month into the season, I guess we should take a lot at some coaches under fire. I also need to resolve the melody of the thread title in my head, and I don't know if I can do it in a GDT

NFL:

Doug Pederson, JAX - Jaguars lost a tough one to Houston after having the Bills beat the brakes off of them, and the Khan's don't like looking sillier than they are. Trevor Lawrence has regressed and has been good for one half of one season, which has been discussed extensively in its own thread.

Nick Sirianni, PHI - The Eagles are still 2-2, and they don't panic, but the problem here goes up top. Howie Roseman and Jeff Lurie want to be a gold standard and that means a high priority on stability, but they put in a structure that Sirianni has agreed to that's given him almost no power, and very few people really know just what exactly he does outside of the in-game CEO-like figurehead that has no control over the offense or defense, and it's unknown if he even sets the gameday roster. He's defined himself as a culture setter, but Jalen Hurts has been unable to effusively define their relationship upon being asked. Other than Saquon Barkley, all of their off-season moves (or lack thereof in some cases) have blown up in their faces (Bryce Huff has as many tackles as Haason Reddick, a player whom he swapped places with and is still holding out). This is a house of cards waiting to fall, and it seems unlikely that everyone who is responsible (Roseman) will be held accountable.

Brian Daboll, NYG - It's easy to think about how great the hire looked in his first year, but this seems to be another case where decision makers above him have tied his hands. The players still seem to play hard for him, but if Daniel Jones isn't going to put it together, a full house cleaning will be in order from top to bottom, all those guys look like buffoons on Hard Knocks

Robert Saleh, NYJ - The Jets are also 2-2, but there seems to be ambiguity between Rodgers and Saleh (big surprise), and the nature of Rodgers is such that they're forced to be subservient to him and having Nathaniel Hackett with him, even though it's clear Saleh is an excellent defensive coach.

Sean Payton, DEN - Broncos haven't been scared to cut their losses, see Hackett and Russell Wilson. How much rope is he going to have in a division that had Patrick Mahomes in it? You're not going to be able to win enough games while having such a limited offense, which is a lot harder when your quarterback is a rookie and not future hall of famer.

Mike McDaniel, MIA - I think he needs to put something together this year. The Dolphins got put behind the 8-ball last year with their defense falling apart with injuries, and his quarterback keeps getting concussions, but it won't take much for an owner to be looking for new ideas.

Dennis Allen, NO - The Saints have a completely new offensive staff, but if your ride or die is Derek Carr, you get what you get. The Saints draft well enough that they aren't bad enough to rebuild, but don't have a quarterback or offense that's good enough to do more than hope you win the division, win your home game, maybe get another, and hope the matchups work out where you luck your way into having a puncher's chance in the Super Bowl. Which isn't unlike the rest of the NFC South, much less the NFC, but you can't contend when 9 wins is your ceiling.

Sean McDermott, BUF - Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow will likely have the most to say here, and won't say it until January.

College:

Mike Norvell, Florida State - FSU is 1-4 with a team that they were telling people was close to the undefeated team they had last year, having a former top recruit transfer in after getting his career back on track. Well, it's off-track, and they still have to play Clemson, Notre Dame, Miami, and Duke (5-0) and they got their asses handed to them by SMU who only just moved up into the conference

Billy Napier, Florida - Things aren't as good for the in-state rival. The Gators are 2-2, got blown out at home twice, and came into the year with the country's hardest schedule. They still have to play Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida, Georgia, Texas, LSU, and Ole Miss, and may only be favored in one of those games, and the three hardest games aren't in their building

Brian Kelly, LSU - You'd sooner bet for hell to freeze over before getting someone to leave Notre Dame to come to your school, but LSU didn't do it to not win national championships and be third or fourth banana to Georgia and Alabama. Those boosters think they should be a top 5 team every year. Les Miles and Ed Orgeron did more and were fired for less, though it's not like they regretted it.

Brent Venables, Oklahoma - Like LSU, they think they should be a top 5 team, but in the complete opposite of them, saw Lincoln Riley (and Caleb Williams) leave, and opted for a defensive coach because, being OU, they should be getting the top QB's, and don't do that. Beyond that, they've seen their biggest rival replace them at the top, and things ain't gonna get easier now being in the SEC.

Brent Pry, Virginia Tech - Good try against Miami, but what's your plan for getting back into being a contender in the ACC? Because that may be important when the conference goes up in smoke and you're hoping for the best landing spot. It's a program that thinks it should be good enough to be in the SEC, and look for the Expanded College Football Playoff

Dabo Swinney, Clemson - You're not going to get back to being an A program by refusing to acknowledge the transfer portal exists, and it's only a matter of time until you can't keep convincing your recruits to not do it. Your future is in TV otherwise, but your legacy is secure.

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[Troy McClure]

Add Kevin Stefanski in Cleveland. This is his fifth season, and the Browns are bad. Bad in ways that reflect poorly on Stefanski. They're the most penalized team, and Stefanski's offense has yet to score more than 17 points this season. Stefanski fired Van Pelt as the OC, and the offense is worse this season. Watson still looks bad. Bill Callahan leaving to join his son has left the offensive line as a mess.

Keep in mind the Browns owners are fickle hotheads. They also are the reason the Watson trade and contract happened and will want to blame others for their gamble failing.

 

[PanthersPens62]

If we are going to include front office people, I'm putting Dolphins GM Chris Grier on the hotseat. He has continually failed to improve the OL, which is key when you have an injury prone starting QB and also failed to acquire a semi-decent backup QB. (pending how "Snoop" Huntley does tonight)

 

[Blitzkrug]

I think McDaniel is probably gone barring a miraculous turn of events for Miami. And honestly? for as much as the guy is likable i don't think i'll be sad to see him go.

Blaming him for what happened to Tua would obviously foolish at best, but this guy straight up hasn't learned in 3 years of being an HC. He'll run his first couple scripted drives which will attempt to run the ball. Once those are done with, he goes mmmmm nah and refuses to run the ball. He even did it last week against Seattle with his second string QB in. By all accounts you establish the run to take the pressurse off the #2. with McDaniel? Nope! Let's run this offense like we would if Tua didn't brain himself trying to truck stick a safety.

He has zero feel for the game as it unfolds around him and can't adjust. Hs offense is entirely built on timing/finesse and he has zero fallback if it doesn't' work. Inexcusable in year 3.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Matt Eberflus should be on list

Another season of 6 or 7 wins and IMO he will be cut loose

 

[Karterthadon]

I can't stand the man but I don't think Sean Payton belongs on these types of lists just yet.

 

[HisIceness]

I'll add Trent Baalke (Jaguars GM) to the list.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

McDaniel seat getting hotter

And his body language tonight is of a man with no answers

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

McDaniel seat getting hotter

And his body language tonight is of a man with no answers

Assuming Tua is done, they could go 3-14 and I doubt he gets fired.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Assuming Tua is done, they could go 3-14 and I doubt he gets fired.

Honestly, he can't hide behind Tua's injury issues anymore.

The man flat out doesn't know how to coach at least as the head guy. He's making the same mistakes in year 3 as he was in year 1. No feel for the flow of the game, will routinely outsmart himself on what should be relatively simple scenarios (like that 4th and 1 call tonight. f***ing jet sweep with Tyreek lined up as a RB? What?) Even when the team was healthy he was routinely getting taken behind the metaphorical woodshed coaching wise.

The book was out midway last year already; you stop the little motion/rhythm shit the Dolphins like to do and their offense crumbles. McDaniel has no plan B, no pivot, he just sits there slackjawed wondering why the shit he calls in Madden works 100% every time but not IRL. Doesn't matter who the QB is.

There's also been rumors floating around that McDaniel is also a bit too soft on players given how unprepared/undisciplined they look but that's obviously a tad harder to prove. Tyreek got into a shouting match with him tonight and had to be pulled away by Wes Welker. Dude probably saw the injury bug hit his old stomping grounds and is now trying to get on the first plane back to KC.

Also on that note, Chris Grier can take a long walk off a short pier too. "We think our offensive line is good enough" Shame the other 31 teams and the fans of this league don't, dumbass.

 

[stats1]

My obvious two are in college. Billy Napier has been a complete disaster. And Mike Norvell’s seat at FSU is blistering hot. 1-4, just got their butt kicked at SMU. And there isn’t a winnable game in their next 4. No way he can keep his job if they’re 1-7, 1-8 coming up. Who wants to bet the Deion rumors start heating up for the FSU opening after the season. No point in Deion staying at Colorado once his boys graduate

 

[Karterthadon]

My obvious two are in college. Billy Napier has been a complete disaster. And Mike Norvell’s seat at FSU is blistering hot. 1-4, just got their butt kicked at SMU. And there isn’t a winnable game in their next 4. No way he can keep his job if they’re 1-7, 1-8 coming up. Who wants to bet the Deion rumors start heating up for the FSU opening after the season. No point in Deion staying at Colorado once his boys graduate

I think Jerry Jones will back up the Brinks truck to get him to Dallas.

 

[Unholy Diver]

I can't stand the man but I don't think Sean Payton belongs on these types of lists just yet.

Yeah I think he gets at least this year and next, need ample proof that Nix is no good

 

[GKJ]

I think Jerry Jones will back up the Brinks truck to get him to Dallas.

To be head coach?

It would be hilarious but beyond insanity.

 

[Karterthadon]

To be head coach?

It would be hilarious but beyond insanity.

Jerry likes big splashy shit that will make the Cowboys the center of the NFL universe. Deion as his head coach accomplishes that and more.

 

[GKJ]

Jerry likes big splashy shit that will make the Cowboys the center of the NFL universe. Deion as his head coach accomplishes that and more.

Jerry more than anything likes highly accomplished and even more highly credible people. Deion is neither of those things.

Other than weird things he says about contract negotiations with players that do make him sound out of touch, people think Jerry Jones is this swashbuckling gunslinger that starts spouting off when he’s not getting his way, and he’s never been that at all when you look at his record apart from his spat with Jimmy Johnson.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Jerry more than anything likes highly accomplished and even more highly credible people. Deion is neither of those things.

Other than weird things he says about contract negotiations with players that do make him sound out of touch, people think Jerry Jones is this swashbuckling gunslinger that starts spouting off when he’s not getting his way, and he’s never been that at all when you look at his record apart from his spat with Jimmy Johnson.

I say this half-jokingly but I'm not sure Jerry Jones would hire an African-American head coach.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Considering the opponents and timeslots for the NYJ, Saleh is absolutely toast if this stretch is 1-4 or 2-3. The QB excuse is gone, he needs to start winning consistently.

10/6 - MIN (London)
10/14 - BUF (MNF)
10/20 - @ PIT (SNF)
10/27 - @ NE
10/31 - HOU (TNF)

 

[The Note]

I really don’t even know what Sirianni does, he seems pre-fired in a way similar to Staley with the Chargers. At least Staley had a scheme and called defensive plays. Sirianni just makes faces and acts like a doofus on the sidelines.

 

[StreetHawk]

I really don’t even know what Sirianni does, he seems pre-fired in a way similar to Staley with the Chargers. At least Staley had a scheme and called defensive plays. Sirianni just makes faces and acts like a doofus on the sidelines.

Hasn’t been the same since he lost both coordinators. He won’t be back if they don’t win a PO game this season. That’s his bar IMO. Could be gone sooner as they do have Fangio to take over in the interim if needed.

 

[GKJ]

Hasn’t been the same since he lost both coordinators. He won’t be back if they don’t win a PO game this season. That’s his bar IMO. Could be gone sooner as they do have Fangio to take over in the interim if needed.

Either Jemal Singleton or Jeff Stoutland would be interim head coach.

 

[Unholy Diver]

Either Jemal Singleton or Jeff Stoutland would be interim head coach.

if they had any guts they would go with that big fat security guy

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Norvell is a dead man walking. The boosters are gonna open up the wallets to bring Deion home

 

[GKJ]

Deion needs to have a 10-win season before he makes that kind of move.

 

[Hasbro]

Sean Payton, DEN - Broncos haven't been scared to cut their losses, see Hackett and Russell Wilson. How much rope is he going to have in a division that had Patrick Mahomes in it? You're not going to be able to win enough games while having such a limited offense, which is a lot harder when your quarterback is a rookie and not future hall of famer.

Mike McDaniel, MIA - I think he needs to put something together this year. The Dolphins got put behind the 8-ball last year with their defense falling apart with injuries, and his quarterback keeps getting concussions, but it won't take much for an owner to be looking for new ideas.

Dennis Allen, NO - The Saints have a completely new offensive staff, but if your ride or die is Derek Carr, you get what you get. The Saints draft well enough that they aren't bad enough to rebuild, but don't have a quarterback or offense that's good enough to do more than hope you win the division, win your home game, maybe get another, and hope the matchups work out where you luck your way into having a puncher's chance in the Super Bowl. Which isn't unlike the rest of the NFC South, much less the NFC, but you can't contend when 9 wins is your ceiling.

Sean McDermott, BUF - Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow will likely have the most to say here, and won't say it until January.

College:

Mike Norvell, Florida State - FSU is 1-4 with a team that they were telling people was close to the undefeated team they had last year, having a former top recruit transfer in after getting his career back on track. Well, it's off-track, and they still have to play Clemson, Notre Dame, Miami, and Duke (5-0) and they got their asses handed to them by SMU who only just moved up into the conference

Billy Napier, Florida - Things aren't as good for the in-state rival. The Gators are 2-2, got blown out at home twice, and came into the year with the country's hardest schedule. They still have to play Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida, Georgia, Texas, LSU, and Ole Miss, and may only be favored in one of those games, and the three hardest games aren't in their building

Brian Kelly, LSU - You'd sooner bet for hell to freeze over before getting someone to leave Notre Dame to come to your school, but LSU didn't do it to not win national championships and be third or fourth banana to Georgia and Alabama. Those boosters think they should be a top 5 team every year. Les Miles and Ed Orgeron did more and were fired for less, though it's not like they regretted it.

Brent Venables, Oklahoma - Like LSU, they think they should be a top 5 team, but in the complete opposite of them, saw Lincoln Riley (and Caleb Williams) leave, and opted for a defensive coach because, being OU, they should be getting the top QB's, and don't do that. Beyond that, they've seen their biggest rival replace them at the top, and things ain't gonna get easier now being in the SEC.

Brent Pry, Virginia Tech - Good try against Miami, but what's your plan for getting back into being a contender in the ACC? Because that may be important when the conference goes up in smoke and you're hoping for the best landing spot. It's a program that thinks it should be good enough to be in the SEC, and look for the Expanded College Football Playoff

Dabo Swinney, Clemson - You're not going to get back to being an A program by refusing to acknowledge the transfer portal exists, and it's only a matter of time until you can't keep convincing your recruits to not do it. Your future is in TV otherwise, but your legacy is secure.

I can't see Payton fired this season. Even if he is awful calling plays and Nix busts.