Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

[Estimated_Prophet]

Why would you start with such an assumption?

He would have said as much if he did lol. He is a reporter and does not have a single GM on record saying that they were told that Michkov would only play for Philly.

It is pure speculation and as is typical nowadays, people just don't have the ability to discern evidence from opinion. Somehow quantity over quality wins over the layman every time.

 

[Naslund]

I was so nervous like okay maybe it was MHL domination mirage and he isn't that good. Then he just has done what he's done this year in one of the best professional leagues in the world and a potato for a coach. He's inevitable.

I was vacillating between him and Iginla last year all the way to the draft, eventually landing on Iginla as my final choice. I was wrong. Demidov is as special as they come. I have been following the Habs for 40 years now, and I have never seen a player like that attached to the team. Not Richer, not pre-injury Koivu, not Kovalev. He will be a mega-star in the NHL, and a god in Montreal.

 

[JIMVINNY]

Let’s not focus too much on P/60, those numbers are inflated always with low usage

Id rather focus on the games where he gets regular top 6 times and discard any games under 12-13 min

Demidov's p/60 is most definitely not inflated with low usage. In fact, his p/60 is higher the more ice time he gets.

 

[Goldthorpe]

He would have said as much if he did lol.

Why? He may very well not want to explain who his source(s) are. He may consider the whole question settled (it's kind of an old story anyway, we aren't even talking about the draft 6 months ago, but the previous one) and didn't bother explaining it further.

 

[Kennerback]

He would have said as much if he did lol. He is a reporter and does not have a single GM on record saying that they were told that Michkov would only play for Philly.

It is pure speculation and as is typical nowadays, people just don't have the ability to discern evidence from opinion. Somehow quantity over quality wins over the layman every time.

To me this Michkov stuff is an academic debate. Can we fit for any relevant length of time Laine, Caufield, Slaf, Suzuki, Demidov + Michkov without weakening the rest of our lineup? And sometimes points are a zero sum game. Michkov will produce a lot more in a team without Laine, Demidov and Caufield. Unless the end game for the Montreal Canadiens is just to fit Michkov and not to win the Cup.

 

[FrankMTL]

Let’s not focus too much on P/60, those numbers are inflated always with low usage

Id rather focus on the games where he gets regular top 6 times and discard any games under 12-13 min

Well, the stats speak for themselves....The more he plays, the more points he gets. The PTS/60 has actually increased quite a bit with the ice time as compared to low ice time.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

I've said it before but,
In my eyes, he has already surpassed the Michkov vacation KHL season

But the Kaprizov KHL stuff is insane, what a player, making 9M now and free agent at next* season's end.. someone's getting paaaaaaiiiiiiiiiddddd

I’ve felt for a couple seasons now that Kaprizov was really underrated and slept on. To think we have a prospect doing as well with way less time and younger? Crazy…

 

[dcyhabs]

Ok I'll listen to the podcast to see how credible his take and sources seem.

He's the guy who said Dubois was what 95% or 99% coming to Montreal...

Friedman talks to a lot of people. He doesn't know how serious they are or how capable they are of doing what they plan to do even if they are being open. The Mitchkov thing was weird, and who knows what he wanted. Maybe he wears Flyers pajamas, maybe he thought getting drafted later would send him to a better team.

Everyone is relieved Dubois went elsewhere but if he played in Montreal the way he is playing this year, lots of engagement, few points, he would massively improve the team.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Somewhat, but iirc both Kaprizov and Michkov faced top opposition throughout their rookie season, whereas Demidov spent part of the season versus lower opposition, roster-wise. His use has changed recently and he's showing he's just as good as them against tougher opposition.

What are you talking about????? He has spent much of the season glued to the bench, are you seriously asserting that the games where he had a handful of shifts at best on the bottom line was an advantage over Michkov and Kaprizov playing on the top line with PP minutes.......that takes debilitating cognitive dissonance to even consider having such a thought.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Here's hoping the nhl won't notice:

 

[Zine]

He would have said as much if he did lol. He is a reporter and does not have a single GM on record saying that they were told that Michkov would only play for Philly.

It is pure speculation and as is typical nowadays, people just don't have the ability to discern evidence from opinion. Somehow quantity over quality wins over the layman every time.

Why? He may very well not want to explain who his source(s) are. He may consider the whole question settled (it's kind of an old story anyway, we aren't even talking about the draft 6 months ago, but the previous one) and didn't bother explaining it further.

Where's the evidence? Some dude named Friedman said so in his 20 thoughts for the day? JFC.

Michkov's agent publicly admitted he wouldn't play for Arizona. He also said he had no interest in Washington, but he'd go there if picked.
That's it. There exists no other concrete and verifiable evidence, anywhere, stating Michkov refused to play for other teams.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

I really like how he's always moving in the offensive zone and his reads seems to always be the good one. The most exciting offensive prospect since Caufield and dare I say he's even more exciting ?

I’d have to put Hutson probably as our most offensive prospect. He’s an absolute machine at creating offence. I see Demidov in this level if not higher.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

What are you talking about????? He has spent much of the season glued to the bench, are you seriously asserting that the games where he had a handful of shifts at best on the bottom line was an advantage over Michkov and Kaprizov playing on the top line with PP minutes.......that takes debilitating cognitive dissonance to even consider having such a thought.

Calm down and realize 3/4 of his points were playing against weaker opposition. It is an advantage for a rookie. The cognitive dissonance is thinking pilling points versus weaker opposition as something better than doing it against stronger opposition.

Yes Demi didn't get PP time, and as I've said before, now that he's playing stronger opposition, he's showing that he's just as good as them, but surely you left that part out.

And please don't speak of cognitive dissonance. You're the last person who should be talking about that, considering the whole Hutson thigh episode.

 

[Goldthorpe]

Where's the evidence? Some dude named Friedman said so in his 20 thoughts for the day? JFC.

People routinely believe various stories told by journalists; sharing insights on the NHL is kind of Friedman main job. Not sure what's so unusual about this.

 

[Kennerback]

Calm down and realize 3/4 of his points were playing against weaker opposition. It is an advantage for a rookie. The cognitive dissonance is thinking pilling points versus weaker opposition as something better than doing it against stronger opposition.

Yes Demi didn't get PP time, and as I've said before, now that he's playing stronger opposition, he's showing that he's just as good as them, but surely you left that part out.

And please don't speak of cognitive dissonance. You're the last person who should be talking about that, considering the whole Hutson thigh episode.

Most Michkov points were against weaker opposition. Like 2/3 or 3/4. I don’t remember the stat by heart but it’s in that ballpark. Idk for Kaprizov.

 

[rahad]

We got lucky with Demidov at #5. I can't imagine the doom and gloom in the Habs HF boards had we drafted Lindstrom at #5. We would have both Reinbacher and Lindstrom injure for the whole season. With Slaf under performing this season. It would have been one of the worst rebuild ever.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Most Michkov points were against weaker opposition. Like 2/3 or 3/4. I don’t remember the stat by heart but it’s in that ballpark. Idk for Kaprizov.

You sure? Didn't Michkov spend the whole season on the top 6?

 

[Revansky]

I’m one of the bigger Caufield Stans here and that’s an understatement. Clearly more exciting but Caufield is turning into a star before our very eyes.

Exactly. I just remember that Caufield was producing so much in the NCAA after we draft him and had record production in the USHL but they were always question about his size and how his offense would translate. Some question Demidov skating which is fair, but no one question we will be a star when coming over.

 

[KevSkillz4]

He is a great 1OV talent caliber, for sure.

At this point, I don't know who I prefer between Celebrini and him haha!

I'm a huge Celebrini fan and he is a franchise player. Demidov is a franchise player aswell!!

 

[Revansky]

I’d have to put Hutson probably as our most offensive prospect. He’s an absolute machine at creating offence. I see Demidov in this level if not higher.

He's clearly the shiftiest player on the team. It's strange having so much prospects that are good offensively ! I'm 34 y/o wasn't the best era of Habs hockey, except Kovalev, i don't remember a premium offensive player in his prime on our team. With Caufield, Hutson, Demidov, we may have potential top 5 player at their position.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I just remember that Caufield was producing so much in the NCAA after we draft him

Imagine, on top of Demidov being the best player outside the NHL, we also have Hage who's two points ahead of where Caufield was in his D+1 (20 vs 18 points in 15 games).

 

[JIMVINNY]

You sure? Didn't Michkov spend the whole season on the top 6?

Most of his points came against teams low in the standings. That's what is being referred to. Demidov has had big games against bad teams as well, but his 3 point game the other day came against the second best team in the league, so he's proven he can do it against anyone.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Where's the evidence? Some dude named Friedman said so in his 20 thoughts for the day? JFC.

Michkov's agent publicly admitted he wouldn't play for Arizona. He also said he had no interest in Washington, but he'd go there if picked.
That's it. There exists no other concrete and verifiable evidence, anywhere, stating Michkov refused to play for other teams.

You are mistaking opinion for fact which is common on sports message boards.

There is zero evidence that Michkov would refuse to play for any team other than the Flyers and you are only making my case stronger Even the Arizona example doesn't matter as he might very well have a different opinion if they had drafted him because they moved to Utah a year later. SKA wanted nothing to do with him and he wasn't happy in Sochi so his leverage is being vastly overstated.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Best player in the KHL by a mile, guy has a legit shot at being the NHL’s best winger in a few years

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Most of his points came against teams low in the standings. That's what is being referred to. Demidov has had big games against bad teams as well, but his 3 point game the other day came against the second best team in the league, so he's proven he can do it against anyone.

It's a shame Rotenberg is such a turd, as it would've been interesting seeing Demidov play top6/top9 minutes the whole season, instead of getting short changed and riding the pine.