Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

[River Meadow]

When the smoke clears and David Reinbacher is a 23 minute per night complete Dman we will see why he was picked.
I saw some really good things in the 11 AHL games that he played.

tbh I was thinking the other day..

Is someone like Levshunov really THAT much better than Reinbacher?

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Maybe Reinbacher turns out the better player, too.

 

[Kennerback]

tbh I was thinking the other day..

Is someone like Levshunov really THAT much better than Reinbacher?

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Maybe Reinbacher turns out the better player, too.

Hawks fans are really pissed. It’s not as much of a rabid fan base as Montreal but Levshunov will needs to fight through the pressure of passing on Demidov to play with Bedard.

 

[overlords]

tbh I was thinking the other day..

Is someone like Levshunov really THAT much better than Reinbacher?

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Maybe Reinbacher turns out the better player, too.

Rein seems smarter to me

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Don't want to make it a Bergevin hate/love or compare but it's interesting to look at and how that changes as time moves forward. After this last draft, the balance might have tipped the scales into Hughes acquired assets.

Demidov tips the scales for me.

Bergevin:
* Suzki
* Guhle
* Caufield
* Lehkonen
* Romanov
* Primeau
* Mailloux
* Roy
* Xhekaj
* Kapanen

Hughes:
* Slafkovsky
* Demidov
* Reinbacher
* Dach/Romanov Flip
* Hutson
* Newhook
* Fowler
* Beck
* Hage
* Engstrom
* Barron
* Koivu
* Mesar

I feel like the Bergevin group by and large did ok finding D, but were generally poor with forwards. Caufield is our only homegrown one currently on roster, although Roy has potential. We'll see about Kapanen.

Slafkovsky, Demidov, Hage, Beck, Mesar are all really skilled. They added 2 more skill guys in Dach & Newhook. This is the deepest forward/prospects group we've had in a long, long time. Probably since the 80s. Even our best draft under Timmins, it was 3D & 1 forward (McDonagh, Subban, Weber & Pacioretty).

Maybe the Gainey era when we had Plekanec, Higgins, Ryder, Grabovsky, the Kostitsyn brothers all arriving around the same time. And had Koivu and Kovalev on the team.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I wouldn't give too much credit for Bargainbin drafting Caufield. He slid down the 1st round because of his size and fell into his lap.

Who deserves credit is BS. The draft has a lot of luck and that applies to every single scout and GM in the NHL. Does Hughes get credit for Demidov slipping? You going to make him a genius and then take it away from Bergevin with Caufield?

At the end of the day, I'll say 40% of our assets are from Bergevin and 60% of our assets are from Hughes (as it stands today) There is no need to spin this or create side angle debates.

I feel like the Bergevin group by and large did ok finding D, but were generally poor with forwards. Caufield is our only homegrown one currently on roster, although Roy has potential. We'll see about Kapanen.

Slafkovsky, Demidov, Hage, Beck, Mesar are all really skilled. They added 2 more skill guys in Dach & Newhook. This is the deepest forward/prospects group we've had in a long, long time. Probably since the 80s. Even our best draft under Timmins, it was 3D & 1 forward (McDonagh, Subban, Weber & Pacioretty).

Maybe the Gainey era when we had Plekanec, Higgins, Ryder, Grabovsky, the Kostitsyn brothers all arriving around the same time. And had Koivu and Kovalev on the team.

With me, I like to step out of the woods and look at the forest (root cause of the problem). Bergevin had long term vision issues with his strategy. That's where is all ends up in his failure.

Hughes took the baton away and is running a much better marathon. The good news is he didn't have to start from scratch. And yeah, our pool is deep with both quality and quantity now.

We deserve to be happy and it's not gullible happiness... it's about F N time!

 

[Redux91]

Rein seems smarter to me

And slightly better defensively
We could of done a loooot worse than picking the Best D (RD no less) in last years Draft
(But , on s'entend, Demidov obviously changed everything F Depth wise to cushion the blow of not going F last year)

Now, the rebuild boasts *2* Top Line Winger Talents, and a 6"3 two way RD with good skating with the 3 straight Top5 picks (with loads of other decent picks made right along with them)

It's all comin up Milhouse now boys

 

[Canadienna]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1808556647649800530

I wonder if this affects us?

 

[junyab]

Who deserves credit is BS. The draft has a lot of luck and that applies to every single scout and GM in the NHL. Does Hughes get credit for Demidov slipping? You going to make him a genius and then take it away from Bergevin with Caufield?

At the end of the day, I'll say 40% of our assets are from Bergevin and 60% of our assets are from Hughes (as it stands today) There is no need to spin this or create side angle debates.

Wait what? Who deserves credit is BS? Weren't you the one who posted the comparison between MB and KH? And made it a competition by saying KH is now winning by selecting Demidov?!? lol

C'mon man.

And nope, I wouldn't call HuGo geniuses for selecting Demidov. That's which they were supposed to pick at #5 if he was available. Just like MB with Caufield.

 

[WeThreeKings]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1808556647649800530

I wonder if this affects us?

Shouldn't as long as Demidov doesn't extend with them.

 

[Kennerback]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1808556647649800530

I wonder if this affects us?

Demidov will be in NA next season in all scenarios. It could perhaps affect his ease of breaking out of his contract with SKA between now and then. That’s it.

 

[Redux91]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1808556647649800530

I wonder if this affects us?

Thank god we're rich lol

But I think we squeak by this one

 

[Apfel Struble]

I saw that Demidov played both as a center and a winger in the MHL. Is he going ti be played as a C in the KHL? Is he a C/W hybrid or a pure winger?

 

[CHwest]

At the end of the day, Reinbacher was a target by several teams and we took him before them. The focus should be on his development and getting him to that 23 min/game. Michkov has to be forgotten about.... it's too distracting for Reinbacher's development.

Yup, Early signs from both Mailloux and Reinbacher in the AHL. Mailloux for the entire season and Reinbacher at the end. They stepped in and performed well. That's not easy to do in your 1st AHL season.

How could this possibly be distracting for Reinbacher's development?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I wouldn't give too much credit for Bargainbin drafting Caufield. He slid down the 1st round because of his size and fell into his lap.

He could have easily passed on him like the teams immediately before him as the following 3 picks of Newhhook , Krebs and Harley were all very highly coveted as well.

 

[_vivelequebec_]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1808556647649800530

I wonder if this affects us?

Interesting. They probably saw how big Japanese baseball clubs were getting paid from MLB.

 

[Goldthorpe]

Is someone like Levshunov really THAT much better than Reinbacher?

The problem I had when trying to compare Reinbacher with this year's crop of RD, is that there's no real comparison. Reinbacher is the only one drafted out of a pro league, and he has a very safe and translatable game. A guy like Levshunov may has a higher ceiling IMHO, but that doesn't mean he would be a "better" pick. Picking a guy you are fairly sure can become a big minutes player has its own value.

Interesting. They probably saw how big Japanese baseball clubs were getting paid from MLB.

I think the KHL is also hurting with the russian economy being what it is, so a quick infusion of foreign money may suddenly be way more tantalizing.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

The problem I had when trying to compare Reinbacher with this year's crop of RD, is that there's no real comparison. Reinbacher is the only one drafted out of a pro league, and he has a very safe and translatable game. A guy like Levshunov may has a higher ceiling IMHO, but that doesn't mean he would be a "better" pick. Picking a guy you are fairly sure can become a big minutes player has its own value.

That's a fair, reasonable assessment. Feels like I'm on a different board all of a sudden

 

[overlords]

Shouldn't as long as Demidov doesn't extend with them.

Wouldn't this give us an even better possibility of being able to get demi out early while under his current contract? Why not take $ when you know he's gone next year anyway?

 

[montreal]

Assist 5:09
Nice Move Before Tripped 10:50
Goal 11:37
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Goal 14:39
OT Winner 19:08

 

[Captain Mountain]

tbh I was thinking the other day..

Is someone like Levshunov really THAT much better than Reinbacher?

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Maybe Reinbacher turns out the better player, too.

Depends what you mean by "THAT much better". I think there's broad consensus he was a better RD prospect in his DY, and I'd bet he'll have a better D+1 season (if only because I can't see Michigan State imploding the way Kloten did).

It doesn't mean that Reinbacher wont be a good player though.

 

[Doc5]

Probably old news but my mind is still blown by how much the stars had to align for us to get Demidov. An important decision point was Anaheim. Rumour is they were deciding between two players before going with Sennecke. If the other player they were considering was Demidov, and they went with him, he isn’t a Hab today. If the other player was Lindstrom and they snabbed him. Then CLB likely would have traded the pick (probably to Chicago), who would have then took Demidov.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806867040487002186

We got so damn lucky!

 

[Zilo44]

Probably old news but my mind is still blown by how much the stars had to align for us to get Demidov. An important decision point was Anaheim. Rumour is they were deciding between two players before going with Sennecke. If the other player they were considering was Demidov, and they went with him, he isn’t a Hab today. If the other player was Lindstrom and they snabbed him. Then CLB likely would have traded the pick (probably to Chicago), who would have then took Demidov.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806867040487002186

We got so damn lucky!

I was born in 1994. This is a top 3 day in my life as a Habs fan. I still haven’t totally recovered emotionally fron last friday’s excitment

 

[KevSkillz4]

Probably old news but my mind is still blown by how much the stars had to align for us to get Demidov. An important decision point was Anaheim. Rumour is they were deciding between two players before going with Sennecke. If the other player they were considering was Demidov, and they went with him, he isn’t a Hab today. If the other player was Lindstrom and they snabbed him. Then CLB likely would have traded the pick (probably to Chicago), who would have then took Demidov.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806867040487002186

We got so damn lucky!

Yes, very very lucky.

Just drafting a player with potential to be a 90-100 pts type of player... at 5. That's a huge steal right there.

He was been my #2 all season long and I will not be surprised if he become the best player in this draft. Yes Celebrini is very very good and I really like him. But I don't think he is going to put 100 pts per season. Demidov, I believe he have the skillset to put that and he isn't bad at defensive zone aswell, not good like Celebrini, but not bad.

 

[Habnot]

Bergevin to me had 3 areas of his tenure.
1) First few years were good
2) Middle years were horrible
3) Last few years were OK. He really did try to rebuild but still ice a roster for the playoffs. Flawed but we do have assets from that. Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle, Romanov, etc. Just a little to late for him.

Hughes did not start from scratch but he certainly took advantage of it because his long game is better.

The last few years were by far his worst and we are still not over the lasting effects of some of the moves made after the Stanley Cup Final. If he didn't know Price and Weber were finsished,that alone was a fireable offence. If he knew - he should of started the started the rebuild. Instead he doesn't sign Danault, overpays for Dvorak, signs Hoffman, signs Savard.

Add to that he trades for Anderson in 2020 and resigns Gallagher in October 2020 (he was fired November 2021).

And the final cherry on top of the sundae was selecting Mailloux in 2021. The negative attention he brought to the organization and how he handled the fallout alone was a fireable offence.

 

[the valiant effort]

The “first few years” of Bergevin began with hiring Therrien. Bad first few years (and all years)!