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Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

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Redux91 said:
It's not that I didn't like ol Cayden..

But God damn I could not thank the Blue Jackets enough for taking the decision out of our hands
(And thanks for Laine too :D, I should start being nicer to CBL actually lol)

Not a great start for them, compared to what the Demigod is already showing us lol
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Ignoring his injuries woes, Lindstrom was interesting to me if we had no shot at Demidov. But if we did go down that road, there was a distinct possibility we would open that can of worms.
 
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Redux91 said:
It's not that I didn't like ol Cayden..

But God damn I could not thank the Blue Jackets enough for taking the decision out of our hands
(And thanks for Laine too :D, I should start being nicer to CBL actually lol)

Not a great start for them, compared to what the Demigod is already showing us lol
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Back injuries are no joke. I’m sorry for the kid, he deserves to play to his full potential, but as a franchise we lucked out.
 
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Knees, ankles, wrists, shoulders, most joints, can be fixed and the player comes back as good.

Backs are a whole new ballgame. I've had a bad back on and off for most of my adult life. It comes and goes and can be screwed by just the most random movement. I hope Lindstrom does the work to strengthen his back and hopefully prevent future injuries.
 
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The best strenght of Demidov, that's his hockey IQ, he think very fast, he play fast. Amazing playmaker. I see in him 55a++ per year type of player. His shot looks very very good, I can't see why he can't score 30-35g per year, maybe more. If he continue to progress his shot.

No doubt, Demidov is looking like a 90-100 pts type of player, for sure. His skillset is too good and the best thing about that, he is a work harder. He is a leader aswell.

We are lucky to grab him at 5, that's a easily top 2 talent in a most of draft, even 1st overall talent.
 
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VirginiaMtlExpat said:
Those of us harping on the severity of Lindstrom's back injury before the draft seemingly got further traction today, with today's news.
https://x.com/i/web/status/1828437456015786143
I wish him well, but he may need the kind of state-of-the-art procedure (German clinic) that we mentioned. Quite a miss by Trevor Timmins, if so.
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Really sucks for the kid, rooting for him, but that is exactly why I didn't have him in my top 10 predraft (and got called out pretty hard because of it).

Lumbar herniated disks are complicated to manage and source of chronic pain and disabilities for people doing regular life stuff... The risks of it derailing the career of an athlete that plays a physical, contact sport is way too high for any team to pick him instead of a similarly talented kid, especially in that top 10.

Anyways, wish him the best.

Everyone had Demidov at #2 so everyone is happy, let's turn the page.
 
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Michoulicious said:
Really sucks for the kid, rooting for him, but that is exactly why I didn't have him in my top 10 predraft (and got called out pretty hard because of it).

Lumbar herniated disks are complicated to manage and source of chronic pain and disabilities for people doing regular life stuff... The risks of it derailing the career of an athlete that plays a physical, contact sport is way too high for any team to pick him instead of a similarly talented kid, especially in that top 10.

Anyways, wish him the best.

Everyone had Demidov at #2 so everyone is happy, let's turn the page.
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I had you in mind with that post. I remember how polarized the discussion got. What we are seeing now aligns with what you and I were writing then. My intuition tells me that he is going to opt for that Eichel-style procedure, though in the lumbar area (not cervical) which is no picnic given the forces involved there, especially in a contact sport.

Imagine in a parallel world with Timmins doing the picking for us, he would have balked at Demidov and picked orthopedically challenged Lindstrom for the Habs!:skeptic:
 
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Ozmodiar said:
Was so glad when CBJ picked Lindstrom.

Treated non-surgically so far. Wonder if surgery is on the horizon.
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That’s the whole reason for all this. They want to take additional time for rehab because they want avoid surgery and don’t want to take the chance of him aggravating it or re-injuring it at this critical juncture in the rehabilitation process.
 
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Michoulicious said:
Really sucks for the kid, rooting for him, but that is exactly why I didn't have him in my top 10 predraft (and got called out pretty hard because of it).

Lumbar herniated disks are complicated to manage and source of chronic pain and disabilities for people doing regular life stuff... The risks of it derailing the career of an athlete that plays a physical, contact sport is way too high for any team to pick him instead of a similarly talented kid, especially in that top 10.

Anyways, wish him the best.

Everyone had Demidov at #2 so everyone is happy, let's turn the page.
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Perhaps a vertebral fusion would be the best solution if it requires surgery.
 
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Rob Sense said:
I can see the neck but not sure about lumbar. Fusion is rock solid and you would never notice the loss of flexibility that low. I don't google these things. BTW i had a neck fusion and in the field.
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I too am not sure about lumbar, and in that discussion I had a figure from a paper that showed the differences in the forces involved between cervical, thoracic and lumbar, but the German place that we were discussing seems to do it everywhere on the spine. Leading Spinal Disc & Facet Joint Replacement Surgeons | Spine Connection . The problem with fusion is that it entails wear and tear in the vertebrae just above (or in other cases, below) the fused portion, which could be harsh on a hockey player. I'd like to simulate the difference to explore these competing options, ADR vs fusion, if I had the funding :skeptic:. Here's a thousand words.
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Garbageyuk said:
That’s the whole reason for all this. They want to take additional time for rehab because they want avoid surgery and don’t want to take the chance of him aggravating it or re-injuring it at this critical juncture in the rehabilitation process.
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Yes, however, these herniated disc injuries are tricky because the decision to operate is subjective, it can be re-injured with either course, and delaying the surgery can affect the outcome. Either decision can leave you second guessing.

I would understand the pick if he was a lot better than his peers but he wasn’t.
 
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Yes, however, these herniated disc injuries are tricky because the decision to operate is subjective, it can be re-injured with either course, and delaying the surgery can affect the outcome. Either decision can leave you second guessing.

I would understand the pick if he was a lot better than his peers but he wasn’t.
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Generally, the prognosis is better if it heals on its own without surgery. In some cases, that isn’t possible, but it’s quite obvious that they think it is in Lindstrom’s particular case, hence the extra precautions and extended rehab timeline.

Healing it without surgery is obviously option A and is what they are prioritizing. Rushing him back puts plan A in jeopardy and they aren’t taking that chance if they think success via this route is still on the table.

Obviously things can change at anytime, but for the above reasons, I don’t think it’s time to panic yet. This is just them being careful and trying for the best option. His agent pretty much said this is the plan just before the draft, so this isn’t really unexpected. You can’t really put a definite timeline on these things, and patience and an abundance of caution is required.

If the time comes when he’s slated for major surgery, I’ll agree it’s time to hit the panic button, because that means that there have been additional setbacks and complications that aren’t currently in the picture, and we’d be looking at an entire additional year+ of rehab and recovery, with basically zero chance he’s ever coming back at 100%.
 
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