Prospect Info: 2024 - #50 OA - LW Nikita Artamonov
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Seth Jarvis has Big Kahunas
CandyCanes
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It's probably too early to be asking this. But what's his contract status in the KHL?
WreckingCrew
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Wait, since when is the guy you pass to allowed to score on a gaping-open net? That's not my experience with Canes hockey!
EDIT: That game is also 9-1 now...8 guys on Torpedo have a multi-point game
EDIT EDIT: 10-1 with 5 min left
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Svechhammer
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Don't worry, we'll train it out of himWait, since when is the guy you pass to allowed to score on a gaping-open net? That's not my experience with Canes hockey!
I wonder what his true height and weight are. Web queries deliver between 165 and 187 pounds.
187 would be a good weight to play in North America for an 18-19 year old.
187 would be a good weight to play in North America for an 18-19 year old.
Unsustainable
Seth Jarvis has Big Kahunas
Unsustainable
Seth Jarvis has Big Kahunas
TheBigLetowski
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is this kid legit? early looks are promising.
He was considered first round talent for some time last year, I'm not sure why he fell in the draft.
He is currently outproducing Prince Demidov. He is 11th scorer in the league with 12:23 playing time per game (ok he played 12 games while most of the others have played 9-10 games)
*Edit: and DeAngelo has 5 assists in 2 games!
He will be our Kucherov (drafted 58th) and same size.
He will be our Kucherov (drafted 58th) and same size.
CandyCanes
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HockeyDB has him at 5'11, 191 pounds
HisIceness
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He will be our Kucherov (drafted 58th) and same size.
Same first name, same last two letters in last name too.
I don't watch the games. But it's probably good moneypuck to trade 28 for 34 and 50. The difference between guys at 28 and 34 is like maybe a 1% better chance at getting an NHLer. You have much better odds at 34 and 50 of getting a good NHLer than just 28.
I get the philosophy of getting "your guy", but time has shown us that a lot of drafting is just having good luck. No one can strike consistently as it is such a crapshoot. The Hurricanes are fully in the mode of not trying to galaxy brain it and just throwing as many darts as possible.
It's very likely that all these 2nd and 3rds that we've hoarded over the past 5 years will enable the team to transition from our current window to a new one. As long as we have NHL talent coming over on the horizon, and as long as we keep cap flexibility, we seem poised to be relevant for a long time.
At least that's what I tell myself after losing Guentzel.
(I too felt the sting when we lost Hamilton and we got by better in the long term.) Trocheck is the one we miss now with hindsight, of course.
I get the philosophy of getting "your guy", but time has shown us that a lot of drafting is just having good luck. No one can strike consistently as it is such a crapshoot. The Hurricanes are fully in the mode of not trying to galaxy brain it and just throwing as many darts as possible.
It's very likely that all these 2nd and 3rds that we've hoarded over the past 5 years will enable the team to transition from our current window to a new one. As long as we have NHL talent coming over on the horizon, and as long as we keep cap flexibility, we seem poised to be relevant for a long time.
At least that's what I tell myself after losing Guentzel.
(I too felt the sting when we lost Hamilton and we got by better in the long term.) Trocheck is the one we miss now with hindsight, of course.
TheReelChuckFletcher
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I don't watch the games. But it's probably good moneypuck to trade 28 for 34 and 50. The difference between guys at 28 and 34 is like maybe a 1% better chance at getting an NHLer. You have much better odds at 34 and 50 of getting a good NHLer than just 28.
I get the philosophy of getting "your guy", but time has shown us that a lot of drafting is just having good luck. No one can strike consistently as it is such a crapshoot. The Hurricanes are fully in the mode of not trying to galaxy brain it and just throwing as many darts as possible.
It's very likely that all these 2nd and 3rds that we've hoarded over the past 5 years will enable the team to transition from our current window to a new one. As long as we have NHL talent coming over on the horizon, and as long as we keep cap flexibility, we seem poised to be relevant for a long time.
At least that's what I tell myself after losing Guentzel.
Yes, that's the cool part about Carolina's draft strategy. They give themselves a ton of lottery tickets that collectively add to an elite farm system relative to other playoff teams despite drafting from lower slots. They also draft a huge quantity of 4th-7th round picks, which might have led to the unearthing of someone like Jackson Blake.
Nikishin Go Boom
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as long as the strategy starts to pay off its a good one.
looking at pick swaps since 2018
our 2018 7th got us the 2019 7th from NYR. We picked Rizzo which became a thank you gift to Philly for buying out TDA
we traded NYRs 2019 2nd, 37OA for 44OA and 83OA. We got Rees and Honka. Rees' rights just turned into a 6th in 2024, Kol.
we traded 59 OA for 73 OA Puistola (which was traded for a month of JP) and Webber's rights were trade to Toronto for a 26 6th
in 2020 we traded the 5th in the Edmundson rights trade for 159 OA Mercuri and 7th rounder Naumov
21 we got trade happy
27Oa for 40OA Morrow and 51OA Kiovunen (used in the JG trade)
59OA went to LA for 72 OA (traded) and 109 OA Blake
72OA went to Nashville for 83OA Namrla and 147OA Robidas
91OA went to Chicago for a 22 3rd rounder (Perevalov)
123OA went to Ottawa for 136OA Orr and 170OA Montgomery
in 2022 we traded 188OA for a 23 6th rounder, we chose Mukhanov
in 23 we traded 71 OA to SJ to reacquire 91OA perron and get 100OA Rykov
in 24 we did things too.
until Blake and Morrow hit the NHL ice, our trade down moves have been pretty inconsequential.
looking at pick swaps since 2018
our 2018 7th got us the 2019 7th from NYR. We picked Rizzo which became a thank you gift to Philly for buying out TDA
we traded NYRs 2019 2nd, 37OA for 44OA and 83OA. We got Rees and Honka. Rees' rights just turned into a 6th in 2024, Kol.
we traded 59 OA for 73 OA Puistola (which was traded for a month of JP) and Webber's rights were trade to Toronto for a 26 6th
in 2020 we traded the 5th in the Edmundson rights trade for 159 OA Mercuri and 7th rounder Naumov
21 we got trade happy
27Oa for 40OA Morrow and 51OA Kiovunen (used in the JG trade)
59OA went to LA for 72 OA (traded) and 109 OA Blake
72OA went to Nashville for 83OA Namrla and 147OA Robidas
91OA went to Chicago for a 22 3rd rounder (Perevalov)
123OA went to Ottawa for 136OA Orr and 170OA Montgomery
in 2022 we traded 188OA for a 23 6th rounder, we chose Mukhanov
in 23 we traded 71 OA to SJ to reacquire 91OA perron and get 100OA Rykov
in 24 we did things too.
until Blake and Morrow hit the NHL ice, our trade down moves have been pretty inconsequential.
Zine
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Of course none of it really matters much in the grand scheme unless we're actually drafting NHLers.
My point is that I think we're more likely to draft an NHLer with an early 2nd round pick and a 3rd than a late 1st round pick. That trade moves the needle the most for me, where there isn't much difference between 27 and 34.
I'd also rather have a late 5th and a 6th than an early 5th, value wise. However, the likelihood of getting any NHLer at all in those rounds is low. It's about 15% likely to get an NHLer from those rounds. If you pick twice, the chances of NOT getting an NHLer is 0.85 squared, or 72.3%. So you're still way likely to not pick an NHLer with 2. You have to pick FIVE players from round 5 to have a more than 50% chance of getting an NHLer. That tracks.
Unsustainable
Seth Jarvis has Big Kahunas
So, we hyping this kid as the next big one to Nikishin yet?
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
I wouldn't celebrate too early, as he could just be on a massive heater, but there are real signs that he should've been picked way earlier than the late-2nd round.
