GaryPoppins
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2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread
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I’ve always liked William Karlsson a lot, and he seems to come up with clutch goals.
If the Jets could somehow acquire him from Vegas, they should be all over that, and acquire him.
Maybe Vegas would have interest in Ehlers, and a trade could be made, if Karlsson will waive his modified NTC, if the Jets are on it.
He’d be an ideal fill in for Ehlers, I would think.
I can understand how you think, but guys can bounce back very quickly if the motivation is there, and their health is still good.
Look at guys like George Foreman who was out of boxing for 10 plus years, and came back, got in shape, and won the heavyweight title at 47 years old( oldest to do it)
I also think Toews was just burn’t out, and needed a rest from the game, but just my opinion.
He could work out well, depends on his desire and motivation.
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Huffer
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Of all the suggestions this one would have me very interested for sure. I can't see him being a guy they would look to move but IMO he would be an amazing add for 2C. Excellent defensively, but can also contribute offensively. And at 6.25 to boot (which is why I can't see TB moving him).
Would take a pretty valuable package IMO. 1st (s), any prospect not named Salo (and Yager hopefully), and more.
But his salary would likely enable to Jets to probably be able to re-sign all the current players like Ehlers, Vilardi, Connor, Samberg, etc.
I just can't see him being remotely available but if they can move Sergachev anything is possible.
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Yea I think people have to be realistic. Jonathen is basically Blake Wheeler’s age last season. Time catches up to everyone and Toews last big season was when he was 31 in 2019-20 and we are heading into 2025-26 which is six seasons later when he will be 37 not to mention he has missed the last 3 seasons entirely.
I have pretty low expectations for him if he comes back, but we have seen older players after taking time to heal like Selanne come back rejuvenated and able to contribute at a high level for a bit.
Who really knows what we will get but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities he could be a plus 4C that can play special teams while bringing a lot of experience into the room.
On the business side he'd likely print money for the org in terms of merchandise and ticket sales.
I think if hes willing to play he's at worst a PB guy who would be good in the room and at best he comes back and helps us at 2C. The trade off becomes if he's a PB guy is that worth taking up a spot there?
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As time goes by, I'm more in the should have traded him camp. Would really like to know what he would have gotten us at the deadline. I like Ehlers, but are we building a team to win the cup or just make the playoffs...
Tin foil hat time. The cap can work with the following lineup:
Connor (7.14) | Scheif (8.5) | Vilardi (6.0 - max on a 1 yr, or longer term)
Perfetti (3.25) | Nelson (7.0) | Boeser (8.0)
Nino (4.0) | Lowry (3.25) | Iafallo (3.67)
Barron (1.5) | Names (3.0) | Kupari (1.1)
Gus (0.835)
JMo (6.25) | DeMelo (4.9)
Samberg (5.0) | Pionk (7.0)
Fleury (0.80) | Salomonsson (0.82)
Heinola (0.80) | Miller (1.5)
Helle (8.5)
Comrie (0.825)
Made some salary projections:
- Vilardi gets a max of 6, if it's a 1 yr, likely less.
- Nelson gets a raise to 7, on a 3 yr deal. He might get far more on the open market, but this is what I think his value should be.
- Boeser gets 8 on a long-term deal 6+ yrs. He too likely gets far more on the open market, from goal needy teams like Wild, Vegas, NYR or Boston.
- Barron and Kupari get slight raises on short term deals
- Samberg gets up to 5 on a longer-term deal 6+ yrs
- Fleury resigns at team friendly deal for another year.
Doesn't leave a lot of cap space but this changes the makeup of the 2nd line significantly. But if you resign Ehlers, then his deal is the same 8 max that Boeser gets in my scenario. Leaves the D a little light, in size and experience but that could be addressed at the trade deadline. If Cole continues to develop, and Nelson and Boeser can give you 30+ goals, then the 2nd line might just be a difference maker for a long-term playoff run. Boeser has been a solid playoff performer.
Stanley and Schenn are moved in this scenario, which I don't see the Jets doing. It's just very hard to stay under the cap with their contracts.
Edit: also includes the buyout for Schmidt. If they didn't have to pay that 1.62 then bumping up Vilardi or one of the other UFAs would make this scenario more realistic, assuming Nelson and Boeser would sign with the Jets and be closer to home.
Connor (7.14) | Scheif (8.5) | Vilardi (6.0 - max on a 1 yr, or longer term)
Perfetti (3.25) | Nelson (7.0) | Boeser (8.0)
Nino (4.0) | Lowry (3.25) | Iafallo (3.67)
Barron (1.5) | Names (3.0) | Kupari (1.1)
Gus (0.835)
JMo (6.25) | DeMelo (4.9)
Samberg (5.0) | Pionk (7.0)
Fleury (0.80) | Salomonsson (0.82)
Heinola (0.80) | Miller (1.5)
Helle (8.5)
Comrie (0.825)
Made some salary projections:
- Vilardi gets a max of 6, if it's a 1 yr, likely less.
- Nelson gets a raise to 7, on a 3 yr deal. He might get far more on the open market, but this is what I think his value should be.
- Boeser gets 8 on a long-term deal 6+ yrs. He too likely gets far more on the open market, from goal needy teams like Wild, Vegas, NYR or Boston.
- Barron and Kupari get slight raises on short term deals
- Samberg gets up to 5 on a longer-term deal 6+ yrs
- Fleury resigns at team friendly deal for another year.
Doesn't leave a lot of cap space but this changes the makeup of the 2nd line significantly. But if you resign Ehlers, then his deal is the same 8 max that Boeser gets in my scenario. Leaves the D a little light, in size and experience but that could be addressed at the trade deadline. If Cole continues to develop, and Nelson and Boeser can give you 30+ goals, then the 2nd line might just be a difference maker for a long-term playoff run. Boeser has been a solid playoff performer.
Stanley and Schenn are moved in this scenario, which I don't see the Jets doing. It's just very hard to stay under the cap with their contracts.
Edit: also includes the buyout for Schmidt. If they didn't have to pay that 1.62 then bumping up Vilardi or one of the other UFAs would make this scenario more realistic, assuming Nelson and Boeser would sign with the Jets and be closer to home.
Interesting lineup and I don't mind that second line provided Nelson doesn't fall off a cliff.
Huffer
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I did a quick mock lineup as well in CapWages and it gets tight really quick for sure.
Personally I'd rather extend Ehlers over Boeser if both are an option (But that's not really the main topic point).
Besides that, one thing I noticed when I was doing it was trying to also make sure to have room in 2026 for raises for Connor, Perfetti, and Lowry.
Yeah, Chevy has to account for those 3. Cole will easily more then double is current cap hit and I expect Connor to get atleast a $4 million bump. I'm less sure on what Lowry will get but he's likely atleasr getting 1 to 1.5 million more per year.
Ya, though the cap goes up 8.5M, Connor, Perfetti and Lowry extensions eat up most of that up pretty quick. And you would have to assume a backup goalie and depth D will cost more than what they pay now.
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Always a risk with a guy heading into his mid-30's. Not sure I'm sold on Nelson anyway, he's just a guy that's available that the Jets have shown interest in. Allows Yager to get his feet beneath him in the AHL for a year or two.
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It’s very unlikely, but I could possibly see it if Tampa wanted to do a shake up for next season, after there early playoff exit this season, and as Cirelli’s trade protection doesn’t kick in til July 1st, he would be moveable…but again it’s extremely unlikely.
Would definitely cost, but I’d assume Ehlers rights would be included, and after that I’m curious what the ask would be.
Would definitely cost, but I’d assume Ehlers rights would be included, and after that I’m curious what the ask would be.
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I don’t know about Nelson…he was pretty inconsequential for Colorado in the playoffs…could be change of scenery yips or it could be age catching up
Byram is out on the market. Wonder what the ask is? That would be a pretty nice upgrade to pursue for the 3rd pairing at least for now.
Morrissey - DeMelo
Samberg - Pionk
Byram - Salomonsson
That seems like a pretty balanced mix all all things considered. A lot of puck movement, not as much size as you'd hope for but if the price is right on Byram then I'd hope we pull the trigger.
Morrissey - DeMelo
Samberg - Pionk
Byram - Salomonsson
That seems like a pretty balanced mix all all things considered. A lot of puck movement, not as much size as you'd hope for but if the price is right on Byram then I'd hope we pull the trigger.
I'm of the mind that you can have Byram or you can have Pionk but you probably shouldn't have both.
The price will be too much for a player playing third pair minutes. Would he even want to sign here of that is his role and would we even pay what he wants for said role.
Yeah its likely going to be to rich for us. They probably want Samberg in that kind of deal and that is a non-starter for me.
