2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Daximus]

Fun. What the hell has that got to do with sports (I'm being facetious, but I'm also not)?

What's fun about it? Sports exist solely as a reason to get rich off your children nothing more.

 

[Daximus]

Some perspective: on average only about 1 Manitoba hockey player in each birth year makes it to the NHL, at most. So unless your kid is the very best in his age group in the province, he's not going to make a life long career from hockey and will need to develop other capabilities.

It should be said that you can still absolutely make a career out of hockey without ever playing a game in the NHL. Semi-pro leagues in NA and professional leagues overseas and of course there is the coaching, scouting and team management route as well which tends to be made up out of a lot of former players many of which never played in the NHL. But that too is also just a fraction of people.

 

[Jet]

It's not even just your typical stick and ball sports. Have you seen the cost of dance, cheerleading or acrobatics these days? My buddy spends more on his daughters dance than his sons tier hockey. My wife's friend forks out tens of thousands every year on cheerleading.

At the very least house leagues for some sports can be relatively cheap compared to the more competitive alternative but they also mean you will never be turning pro in any capacity by playing in them. Soccer is still among the more cheaper sports to play but even the more competitive leagues can get very expensive.

The truth of the matter is in North America that the road to being a professional athlete is generally paved by having parents who either make a good living or go into massive debt. It still requires a lot of hard work and refinement of skill but you are never going to make it anywhere without forking out tens of thousands, and in the case of hockey, likely hundreds of thousands of dollars. There's the stories you hear like how Patty Kanes parents spent $250k on him up to bantam. The cost of going pro is not cheap.

It sucks so bad. Sports are so incredibly important for physical and mental development. Just another way less fortunate people are screwed.

 

[WolfHouse]

What's fun about it? Sports exist solely as a reason to get rich off your children nothing more.

I suspect that if people took their annual hockey kids budget and put it into social media advertising theyd have a far higher chance of their kid being a rich influencer...

 

[Whileee]

It should be said that you can still absolutely make a career out of hockey without ever playing a game in the NHL. Semi-pro leagues in NA and professional leagues overseas and of course there is the coaching, scouting and team management route as well which tends to be made up out of a lot of former players many of which never played in the NHL. But that too is also just a fraction of people.

Any hockey career outside of the NHL likely won't be enough to sustain your income for a family for a lifetime, so most non-NHL players will still need some other paid occupation to fall back on at some point.

 

[digmor crusher]

I suspect that if people took their annual hockey kids budgey and put it into social media advertising theyd have a far higher chance of their kid being a rich influencer...

Yah but influencers are the lowest of the low, those clowns need to get a real job.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Also no money in volleyball so putting ur kids in that is a waste.

If they are tall enough and athletic enough just basketball.

 

[Daximus]

Also no money in volleyball so putting ur kids in that is a waste.

If they are tall enough and athletic enough just basketball.

Well if you have a kid who is 7'0 or taller they don't even really need to be athletic. Pretty sure I saw a stat that said something like you have a 1 in 3 chance of playing professional basketball somewhere if you are 7'0 or taller. The other 2/3 probably just had no interest in playing basketball.

 

[Daximus]

Any hockey career outside of the NHL likely won't be enough to sustain your income for a family for a lifetime, so most non-NHL players will still need some other paid occupation to fall back on at some point.

Depends on what level you get to. Even WHL coaches make around 100k I'm pretty sure, probably 90's for some of the smaller market teams.

But yeah you likely need to get to at least the Junior/Semi-Pro level to make enough money to not have to supplement your income.

 

[Daximus]

I suspect that if people took their annual hockey kids budget and put it into social media advertising theyd have a far higher chance of their kid being a rich influencer...

Honestly you'd be better off just saving it up and investing it in their post-secondary education, buying them a dependable vehicle or helping them purchase a home. But unfortunately parents often see stars and dollar signs when their kid hits the ice.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

I doubt that anyone on that list would consider signing in Winnipeg and I'm okay with that.

The problem is we don't seem to have the patience or ability to draft and develop top-6 centres. Haven't done that since drafting Scheifele 14 years ago.

Yager might be an option as a second liner, but probably no earlier than 2027.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Wayne Gretzky's statue covered in feces is not going to attract players to Canada.

Feces smeared on Edmonton’s Wayne Gretzky statue

The Wayne Gretzky statue outside Rogers Place in Edmonton has been vandalized with feces.

www.ctvnews.ca

Apparently you can obtain DNA from feces. Time to get on that and find the culprit!

 

[Buffdog]

The problem is we don't seem to have the patience or ability to draft and develop top-6 centres. Haven't done that since drafting Scheifele 14 years ago.

Yager might be an option as a second liner, but probably no earlier than 2027.

We haven't had a chance to draft one... if you look back, there weren't really any decent centre OR RHD prospects available around where we picked

You could argue for Lundell or Jarvis over Perfetti, but at the time it looked like he was as much a centre as those guys and the better prospect. Maybe they should have given him the chance to develop into a C at the NHL level... I'm curious as to why they didnt

 

[WolfHouse]

We haven't had a chance to draft one... if you look back, there weren't really any decent centre OR RHD prospects available around where we picked

You could argue for Lundell or Jarvis over Perfetti, but at the time it looked like he was as much a centre as those guys and the better prospect. Maybe they should have given him the chance to develop into a C at the NHL level... I'm curious as to why they didnt

I think thats kind of his point re: patience

We also bailed on copp and roslo pretty quick...

 

[surixon]

We haven't had a chance to draft one... if you look back, there weren't really any decent centre OR RHD prospects available around where we picked

You could argue for Lundell or Jarvis over Perfetti, but at the time it looked like he was as much a centre as those guys and the better prospect. Maybe they should have given him the chance to develop into a C at the NHL level... I'm curious as to why they didnt

To be fair Jarvis isn't a center either. Only Lundell is and he seemed to make the cut at center before the Panthers exploded into an elite team.

It seems most other contending teams seem very hesitant to put younger players at C. Byfield only this year got moved over from wing after a good year last year. Same with Johnston on Dallas. Maybe they plan on doing the same with Cole next year after a real strong year this year. He'd be more ready for it.

 

[voyageur]

We haven't had a chance to draft one... if you look back, there weren't really any decent centre OR RHD prospects available around where we picked

You could argue for Lundell or Jarvis over Perfetti, but at the time it looked like he was as much a centre as those guys and the better prospect. Maybe they should have given him the chance to develop into a C at the NHL level... I'm curious as to why they didnt

You could look at Lucius over Wyatt Johnston too. That one hurts because it's a divisional rival. The Jets had to pivot fast after signing Bryan Little to a 6 year deal. And losing him in year 2.

Wouldn't surprise if the Jets drafted another center, depending on how Pionk negotiations go. Because Morrissey, Samberg, Pionk and Salomonsson gives you a decent opportunity for top 4 for a few more years.

Lambert isn't nearly as good of a playmaker as Namestnikov down the middle, and I wonder with Arniel coaching now if there isn't more emphasis at center in skating with the speed of Scheifele and Lowry on the back half of their careers.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Interesting conversation regarding the "pay-to-win" model that is today's reality regarding the kids' development in sports to tomorrow's professional athletes.

Offhand, the exceptions to this rule that come to mind are US basketball players and football players where it appears a significant portion of future stars come from poor to middle class families. Families don't go broke funding their children's dreams thanks to generous NCAA scholarships and the like.

 

[Buffdog]

You could look at Lucius over Wyatt Johnston too. That one hurts because it's a divisional rival. The Jets had to pivot fast after signing Bryan Little to a 6 year deal. And losing him in year 2.

Wouldn't surprise if the Jets drafted another center, depending on how Pionk negotiations go. Because Morrissey, Samberg, Pionk and Salomonsson gives you a decent opportunity for top 4 for a few more years.

Lambert isn't nearly as good of a playmaker as Namestnikov down the middle, and I wonder with Arniel coaching now if there isn't more emphasis at center in skating with the speed of Scheifele and Lowry on the back half of their careers.

To be fair, Lucius played 12 games and Johnston didn't play a single game in their draft year due to govenment retrictions during covid (and Chaz was injured). That year was a complete crapshoot

 

[WolfHouse]

To be fair, Lucius played 12 games and Johnston didn't play a single game in their draft year due to govenment retrictions during covid (and Chaz was injured). That year was a complete crapshoot

Lucius had huge red flags for injury history... was a high risk pick

But yes that was a fkd up draft

 

[Whileee]

Depends on what level you get to. Even WHL coaches make around 100k I'm pretty sure, probably 90's for some of the smaller market teams.

But yeah you likely need to get to at least the Junior/Semi-Pro level to make enough money to not have to supplement your income.

Most pro careers end before mid-30s. Unless they've had a long enough NHL career and paycheque, they can't sustain themselves for decades without another occupation for most of the rest of their working life.

 

[raideralex99]

The problem is we don't seem to have the patience or ability to draft and develop top-6 centres. Haven't done that since drafting Scheifele 14 years ago.

Yager might be an option as a second liner, but probably no earlier than 2027.

Rutger McGroarty was a center ... he has more points in the AHL than any Moose player. It's BS what he was allowed to do.

 

[raideralex99]

You could look at Lucius over Wyatt Johnston too. That one hurts because it's a divisional rival. The Jets had to pivot fast after signing Bryan Little to a 6 year deal. And losing him in year 2.

Wouldn't surprise if the Jets drafted another center, depending on how Pionk negotiations go. Because Morrissey, Samberg, Pionk and Salomonsson gives you a decent opportunity for top 4 for a few more years.

Lambert isn't nearly as good of a playmaker as Namestnikov down the middle, and I wonder with Arniel coaching now if there isn't more emphasis at center in skating with the speed of Scheifele and Lowry on the back half of their careers.

Yup losing Buff out of the blue to retirement and Little's injury really screwed up the Jets plans in drafting. If you are not drafting in the top 10 it takes time to develop players especially D man. Teams that have no problem signing FAs are okay but small market teams need to hit on their draft picks plus position of needs.

 

[Daximus]

Most pro careers end before mid-30s. Unless they've had a long enough NHL career and paycheque, they can't sustain themselves for decades without another occupation for most of the rest of their working life.

Yeah I suppose it depends on the player. All the more reason for players to look at the NCAA option if it becomes available to them.

 

[surixon]

Rutger McGroarty was a center ... he has more points in the AHL than any Moose player. It's BS what he was allowed to do.

He's a winger not a center.

 

[Jet]

We haven't had a chance to draft one... if you look back, there weren't really any decent centre OR RHD prospects available around where we picked

You could argue for Lundell or Jarvis over Perfetti, but at the time it looked like he was as much a centre as those guys and the better prospect. Maybe they should have given him the chance to develop into a C at the NHL level... I'm curious as to why they didnt

I think he's missing 2 things: size and speed. Speed is the biggest factor as i also think that's why Vilardi never got a shot at C.

The centre position is so demanding in teams of battle and real estate to cover.